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zomg it's gladstone and suppy
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On July 15 2013 06:15 Superiorwolf wrote:
sMi!
Thank you for the support suppy <3
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Yay, hope you guys do well! BW 4 life yo
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On July 15 2013 04:23 GoShox wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 23:20 FocKer wrote:
anyone know if listal (pad) still around ? I saw him playing on NrG a few years ago, I think he went to an MLG.
The first thing I thought of when seeing this title is to see if Pad joined up :p
But I have no idea what he's doing now.
Anyway, it's great to see sMi back on the scene  Hope you guys stay cool.
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On July 15 2013 04:05 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 04:02 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 15 2013 03:59 SupLilSon wrote:On July 15 2013 03:55 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 15 2013 03:52 SupLilSon wrote:On July 15 2013 02:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 15 2013 02:07 Denzil wrote:On July 14 2013 23:39 Shinta) wrote:On July 14 2013 23:31 Cokefreak wrote:On July 14 2013 23:18 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
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Well if we're going to keep theorycrafting on this mostly irrelevant issue, let me play devil's advocate here: Why would you sponsor a pro gaming team if you don't get any exposure out of it and you're not passionate enough about pro gaming that you would want to be associated with it? How about this: Imagine a businessman doing fairly well, maybe he used to play or follow BW back in the day so he wants to support the rts scene and he recognizes a familiar name, sMi. So he decides to sponsor them but he cannot do so publicly because that could seriously damage his business which would mean he couldn't sponsor the team anymore either. This is purely fictional but I don't think it's that far fetched. Sponsoring a team would in no way hurt a business. Also, you're trying to consider him a business owner? Yeah his business wouldn't be hurt. Nobody would be able to hurt him anyway because he owns the business. Only thing that would hurt him is if the team didn't follow through. Also, not revealing yourself as the sponsor would be the most harmful thing aside from the team crashing down. If you're just considering him a businessman, then the business he works for won't be affected in any way. There is no reason for it to be involved at all. Please dont talk about business as if you know the implications of sponsoring a hobby team for a large business So what are these implications? You really have an axe to grind here, don't you? The implications would depend on the nature of the business itself, their motivations and their intentions of sponsoring a team among other factors. I'm not an expert or someone with inside information so I'm not going to pretend. However, it doesn't take much to think of a few situations in which a big business wouldn't want their name out there, at least temporarily. No I'm just curious. And a little unnerved whenever someone makes a condescending post like "pls don't talk about it if you don't know" and then elaborates NOTHING on that given topic. No one owes you any information. They are a privately run organization and are free to divulge w/e information they want in whatever manner they want. I'm pretty sure this thread was just to introduce the organization and it's players, a purpose it fulfills. If the sponsor wishes to remain anonymous then that's that. There was nothing condescending about his post. People are talking about shit they have no idea about and he called them out. I think you haven't read my posts in this topic. I don't care about this team's sponsor. We were theoretically discussing the implications in a general situation, and then along came Denzil and said "Please dont talk about business as if you know the implications of sponsoring a hobby team for a large business". Reasonable post, but it is condescending and he doesn't explain anything of this knowledge that he implies to be possessing. That's why I continued the discussion. I find these implications interesting, so I would like to know what he knows. He didn't imply that he had any extra knowledge. He just called out the few people in here trying to act as authorities on sports team sponsorships when they clearly have no clue what they are saying. Anyways, this is pretty off topic and derailing their thread. Again, GL to the team and it's players.
He did imply that he had information about me in specific and my knowledge if business. It was an unnecessary, condescending post that didn't solve anything.
Especially when he, apparently, doesn't even understand the nature of my posts (which you apparently don't either).
I don't know why you guys throw knives and raise such strong opinions against posters like me without even understanding what my posts are saying/asking.
Also, if you, or anyone want to disagree with my opinion that's fine, but just lashing out with a meaningless shut down of a statement neither implies self wisdom not does it make my statements less valid. I know what I know, and other people know what they know. Either share what you know or don't.
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Best of luck sMi, your lineup looks sick! Keep posting content, don't fall off like every other NA team.
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On July 15 2013 07:39 Shinta) wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 04:05 SupLilSon wrote:On July 15 2013 04:02 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 15 2013 03:59 SupLilSon wrote:On July 15 2013 03:55 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 15 2013 03:52 SupLilSon wrote:On July 15 2013 02:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 15 2013 02:07 Denzil wrote:On July 14 2013 23:39 Shinta) wrote:On July 14 2013 23:31 Cokefreak wrote:
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How about this: Imagine a businessman doing fairly well, maybe he used to play or follow BW back in the day so he wants to support the rts scene and he recognizes a familiar name, sMi. So he decides to sponsor them but he cannot do so publicly because that could seriously damage his business which would mean he couldn't sponsor the team anymore either. This is purely fictional but I don't think it's that far fetched. Sponsoring a team would in no way hurt a business. Also, you're trying to consider him a business owner? Yeah his business wouldn't be hurt. Nobody would be able to hurt him anyway because he owns the business. Only thing that would hurt him is if the team didn't follow through. Also, not revealing yourself as the sponsor would be the most harmful thing aside from the team crashing down. If you're just considering him a businessman, then the business he works for won't be affected in any way. There is no reason for it to be involved at all. Please dont talk about business as if you know the implications of sponsoring a hobby team for a large business So what are these implications? You really have an axe to grind here, don't you? The implications would depend on the nature of the business itself, their motivations and their intentions of sponsoring a team among other factors. I'm not an expert or someone with inside information so I'm not going to pretend. However, it doesn't take much to think of a few situations in which a big business wouldn't want their name out there, at least temporarily. No I'm just curious. And a little unnerved whenever someone makes a condescending post like "pls don't talk about it if you don't know" and then elaborates NOTHING on that given topic. No one owes you any information. They are a privately run organization and are free to divulge w/e information they want in whatever manner they want. I'm pretty sure this thread was just to introduce the organization and it's players, a purpose it fulfills. If the sponsor wishes to remain anonymous then that's that. There was nothing condescending about his post. People are talking about shit they have no idea about and he called them out. I think you haven't read my posts in this topic. I don't care about this team's sponsor. We were theoretically discussing the implications in a general situation, and then along came Denzil and said "Please dont talk about business as if you know the implications of sponsoring a hobby team for a large business". Reasonable post, but it is condescending and he doesn't explain anything of this knowledge that he implies to be possessing. That's why I continued the discussion. I find these implications interesting, so I would like to know what he knows. He didn't imply that he had any extra knowledge. He just called out the few people in here trying to act as authorities on sports team sponsorships when they clearly have no clue what they are saying. Anyways, this is pretty off topic and derailing their thread. Again, GL to the team and it's players. He did imply that he had information about me in specific and my knowledge if business. It was an unnecessary, condescending post that didn't solve anything. Especially when he, apparently, doesn't even understand the nature of my posts (which you apparently don't either). I don't know why you guys throw knives and raise such strong opinions against posters like me without even understanding what my posts are saying/asking. Also, if you, or anyone want to disagree with my opinion that's fine, but just lashing out with a meaningless shut down of a statement neither implies self wisdom not does it make my statements less valid. I know what I know, and other people know what they know. Either share what you know or don't.
What? Your post itself suggests that you don't understand what you're talking about. The first sentence, "Sponsoring a team would in no way hurt a business" is wrong. Then you go and contradict yourself within this very post. First you say that he implies he has extra information and then a few sentences later you say his statement doesn't imply self wisdom? I honestly can't glean anything meaningful from either of your posts except that you want information that you aren't entitled to. There are perfectly good reasons why they would keep their sponsor private. Maybe the sponsor is just a personal friend and the company has nothing to gain from exposure in the eSports scene. Why would you tie yourself to an entity with nothing to gain but with possible repercussions? Maybe the details of the sponsorship aren't completely finalized and they don't want to jump the gun? Like Cokefreak said, maybe sponsorship of the team is just a hobby for whomever it is and they don't care for the minimal amounts of ROI or internet popularity. Who knows, it's not our place to know or care. I mean EG sponsors Alliance and while it's not exactly a heavily guarded secret, they don't go around touting that fact for marketing purposes. No one was lashing out except you guys demanding to know all the details of the team as if you are the guardians of eSports itself.
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Just going to say NooKS approved for sMi and leave it at your own interpretation 
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I interpret that as NooKS with a winking face and thumbs up, approving sMi's application to be a team.
You shouldn't leave these things to imagination ;_;
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On July 15 2013 08:12 NrG.Bamboo wrote:
I interpret that as NooKS with a winking face and thumbs up, approving sMi's application to be a team.
You shouldn't leave these things to imagination ;_;
Nope far from it. Was on sMi briefly in Bw with that id Just bringing that old alias out of the closet with fear :O
I'm actually in the works with someone on something at the moment, but I'm not going to derail this thread with talks of that.
DirtyBird and NewB gets 
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On July 15 2013 07:55 SupLilSon wrote:
No one was lashing out except you guys demanding to know all the details of the team as if you are the guardians of eSports itself.
Sorry but you still don't seem to understand. The discussion between me, Shinta and Cokefreak was purely theoretical and had nothing to with this team.
Must be other posters you are thinking of.
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On July 15 2013 08:25 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 07:55 SupLilSon wrote:
No one was lashing out except you guys demanding to know all the details of the team as if you are the guardians of eSports itself. Sorry but you still don't seem to understand. The discussion between me, Shinta and Cokefreak was purely theoretical and had nothing to with this team. Must be other posters you are thinking of.
Maybe you should reread the thread, but w/e I'm done arguing with you guys. It's not my team or my place to argue for/against them.
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On July 15 2013 07:55 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 07:39 Shinta) wrote:On July 15 2013 04:05 SupLilSon wrote:On July 15 2013 04:02 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 15 2013 03:59 SupLilSon wrote:On July 15 2013 03:55 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 15 2013 03:52 SupLilSon wrote:On July 15 2013 02:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 15 2013 02:07 Denzil wrote:On July 14 2013 23:39 Shinta) wrote:
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Sponsoring a team would in no way hurt a business. Also, you're trying to consider him a business owner? Yeah his business wouldn't be hurt. Nobody would be able to hurt him anyway because he owns the business. Only thing that would hurt him is if the team didn't follow through. Also, not revealing yourself as the sponsor would be the most harmful thing aside from the team crashing down.
If you're just considering him a businessman, then the business he works for won't be affected in any way. There is no reason for it to be involved at all. Please dont talk about business as if you know the implications of sponsoring a hobby team for a large business So what are these implications? You really have an axe to grind here, don't you? The implications would depend on the nature of the business itself, their motivations and their intentions of sponsoring a team among other factors. I'm not an expert or someone with inside information so I'm not going to pretend. However, it doesn't take much to think of a few situations in which a big business wouldn't want their name out there, at least temporarily. No I'm just curious. And a little unnerved whenever someone makes a condescending post like "pls don't talk about it if you don't know" and then elaborates NOTHING on that given topic. No one owes you any information. They are a privately run organization and are free to divulge w/e information they want in whatever manner they want. I'm pretty sure this thread was just to introduce the organization and it's players, a purpose it fulfills. If the sponsor wishes to remain anonymous then that's that. There was nothing condescending about his post. People are talking about shit they have no idea about and he called them out. I think you haven't read my posts in this topic. I don't care about this team's sponsor. We were theoretically discussing the implications in a general situation, and then along came Denzil and said "Please dont talk about business as if you know the implications of sponsoring a hobby team for a large business". Reasonable post, but it is condescending and he doesn't explain anything of this knowledge that he implies to be possessing. That's why I continued the discussion. I find these implications interesting, so I would like to know what he knows. He didn't imply that he had any extra knowledge. He just called out the few people in here trying to act as authorities on sports team sponsorships when they clearly have no clue what they are saying. Anyways, this is pretty off topic and derailing their thread. Again, GL to the team and it's players. He did imply that he had information about me in specific and my knowledge if business. It was an unnecessary, condescending post that didn't solve anything. Especially when he, apparently, doesn't even understand the nature of my posts (which you apparently don't either). I don't know why you guys throw knives and raise such strong opinions against posters like me without even understanding what my posts are saying/asking. Also, if you, or anyone want to disagree with my opinion that's fine, but just lashing out with a meaningless shut down of a statement neither implies self wisdom not does it make my statements less valid. I know what I know, and other people know what they know. Either share what you know or don't. What? Your post itself suggests that you don't understand what you're talking about. The first sentence, "Sponsoring a team would in no way hurt a business" is wrong. Then you go and contradict yourself within this very post. First you say that he implies he has extra information and then a few sentences later you say his statement doesn't imply self wisdom? I honestly can't glean anything meaningful from either of your posts except that you want information that you aren't entitled to. There are perfectly good reasons why they would keep their sponsor private. Maybe the sponsor is just a personal friend and the company has nothing to gain from exposure in the eSports scene. Why would you tie yourself to an entity with nothing to gain but with possible repercussions? Maybe the details of the sponsorship aren't completely finalized and they don't want to jump the gun? Like Cokefreak said, maybe sponsorship of the team is just a hobby for whomever it is and they don't care for the minimal amounts of ROI or internet popularity. Who knows, it's not our place to know or care. I mean EG sponsors Alliance and while it's not exactly a heavily guarded secret, they don't go around touting that fact for marketing purposes. No one was lashing out except you guys demanding to know all the details of the team as if you are the guardians of eSports itself.
I'm sorry but just about everything you said is incorrect and/or misinterpreted. Most of your sentences contradict themselves yet you try to use them against me.
Your post doesn't even give me anything to argue against. Please read more carefully and write up a better argument if you plan on seriously challenging a statement.
The only thing you got right was that I was asking for information because that information would lead to my becoming a fan. Gaining fans and increasing their exposure was the initial intent of the post after all, so the questions were acceptable. Nobody outside from the organization was asked anything, so any and all hate comments against a simple question are just garbage.
I never demanded information, but even after you attempted to defend secrecy, it's still clear that none of those create a valid defense to my saying that it doesn't make sense to not release the information.
Sure, there are reasons for withholding the information, but it doesn't make much sense.
And my posts never derailed the topic, because my questions were directed at the OP.
I've already stated though that its totally fine to not expose the information. It just won't catch my interest and I won't follow sMi. It's not a big deal like any of you are making it out to be.
I also don't take back the best wishes I granted the team in my previous posts.
Wish all the best for y'all.
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On July 14 2013 17:00 KawaiiRice wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 15:11 ninazerg wrote:
Hey, just curious, what does 'sMi' stand for? LOL THE QUESTION HAS BEEN ASKED NOBODY KNOWS THE ANSWER
I may have asked it on purpose. ![[image loading]](http://defiler.ru/chat/smiles-visible/troll.png)
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On July 15 2013 11:24 Shinta) wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 07:55 SupLilSon wrote:On July 15 2013 07:39 Shinta) wrote:On July 15 2013 04:05 SupLilSon wrote:On July 15 2013 04:02 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 15 2013 03:59 SupLilSon wrote:On July 15 2013 03:55 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 15 2013 03:52 SupLilSon wrote:On July 15 2013 02:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 15 2013 02:07 Denzil wrote:
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Please dont talk about business as if you know the implications of sponsoring a hobby team for a large business So what are these implications? You really have an axe to grind here, don't you? The implications would depend on the nature of the business itself, their motivations and their intentions of sponsoring a team among other factors. I'm not an expert or someone with inside information so I'm not going to pretend. However, it doesn't take much to think of a few situations in which a big business wouldn't want their name out there, at least temporarily. No I'm just curious. And a little unnerved whenever someone makes a condescending post like "pls don't talk about it if you don't know" and then elaborates NOTHING on that given topic. No one owes you any information. They are a privately run organization and are free to divulge w/e information they want in whatever manner they want. I'm pretty sure this thread was just to introduce the organization and it's players, a purpose it fulfills. If the sponsor wishes to remain anonymous then that's that. There was nothing condescending about his post. People are talking about shit they have no idea about and he called them out. I think you haven't read my posts in this topic. I don't care about this team's sponsor. We were theoretically discussing the implications in a general situation, and then along came Denzil and said "Please dont talk about business as if you know the implications of sponsoring a hobby team for a large business". Reasonable post, but it is condescending and he doesn't explain anything of this knowledge that he implies to be possessing. That's why I continued the discussion. I find these implications interesting, so I would like to know what he knows. He didn't imply that he had any extra knowledge. He just called out the few people in here trying to act as authorities on sports team sponsorships when they clearly have no clue what they are saying. Anyways, this is pretty off topic and derailing their thread. Again, GL to the team and it's players. He did imply that he had information about me in specific and my knowledge if business. It was an unnecessary, condescending post that didn't solve anything. Especially when he, apparently, doesn't even understand the nature of my posts (which you apparently don't either). I don't know why you guys throw knives and raise such strong opinions against posters like me without even understanding what my posts are saying/asking. Also, if you, or anyone want to disagree with my opinion that's fine, but just lashing out with a meaningless shut down of a statement neither implies self wisdom not does it make my statements less valid. I know what I know, and other people know what they know. Either share what you know or don't. What? Your post itself suggests that you don't understand what you're talking about. The first sentence, "Sponsoring a team would in no way hurt a business" is wrong. Then you go and contradict yourself within this very post. First you say that he implies he has extra information and then a few sentences later you say his statement doesn't imply self wisdom? I honestly can't glean anything meaningful from either of your posts except that you want information that you aren't entitled to. There are perfectly good reasons why they would keep their sponsor private. Maybe the sponsor is just a personal friend and the company has nothing to gain from exposure in the eSports scene. Why would you tie yourself to an entity with nothing to gain but with possible repercussions? Maybe the details of the sponsorship aren't completely finalized and they don't want to jump the gun? Like Cokefreak said, maybe sponsorship of the team is just a hobby for whomever it is and they don't care for the minimal amounts of ROI or internet popularity. Who knows, it's not our place to know or care. I mean EG sponsors Alliance and while it's not exactly a heavily guarded secret, they don't go around touting that fact for marketing purposes. No one was lashing out except you guys demanding to know all the details of the team as if you are the guardians of eSports itself. I'm sorry but just about everything you said is incorrect and/or misinterpreted. Most of your sentences contradict themselves yet you try to use them against me. Your post doesn't even give me anything to argue against. Please read more carefully and write up a better argument if you plan on seriously challenging a statement. The only thing you got right was that I was asking for information because that information would lead to my becoming a fan. Gaining fans and increasing their exposure was the initial intent of the post after all, so the questions were acceptable. Nobody outside from the organization was asked anything, so any and all hate comments against a simple question are just garbage. I never demanded information, but even after you attempted to defend secrecy, it's still clear that none of those create a valid defense to my saying that it doesn't make sense to not release the information. Sure, there are reasons for withholding the information, but it doesn't make much sense. And my posts never derailed the topic, because my questions were directed at the OP. I've already stated though that its totally fine to not expose the information. It just won't catch my interest and I won't follow sMi. It's not a big deal like any of you are making it out to be. I also don't take back the best wishes I granted the team in my previous posts. Wish all the best for y'all.
Again, I can barely decipher what you wrote... -.-
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sMi is actually supposed to be read backwards. As in iMs. They are secretly incredible miracle invading American Servers.
but seriously, welcome guys.
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On July 15 2013 07:34 NrG.Bamboo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 04:23 GoShox wrote:On July 14 2013 23:20 FocKer wrote:
anyone know if listal (pad) still around ? I saw him playing on NrG a few years ago, I think he went to an MLG. The first thing I thought of when seeing this title is to see if Pad joined up :p But I have no idea what he's doing now. Anyway, it's great to see sMi back on the scene Hope you guys stay cool.
I think Pad is still on NrG as far as SC2 goes, or was last time I talked to him (right around the time HotS came out) so not sure if he's NrG still or even active.
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