EPT1) Sky
2) Infi
3) Moon
4) Grubby
5) Lyn
6) ReMind
7) SocceR
8) ToD
9) Fly100%
10) viOlet
11) LucifroN
etc
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mikkmagro
Malta1513 Posts
1) Sky 2) Infi 3) Moon 4) Grubby 5) Lyn 6) ReMind 7) SocceR 8) ToD 9) Fly100% 10) viOlet 11) LucifroN etc | ||
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
I let the readmore.de community rank the best orcs, nightelves, humans and undeads in 2009 - their current performance in 2009 was ranked by the community. Note that some players that had huge success before that point might not appear therefore (e.g. Zacard, Lucifer) or too low ranked compared to their all time results. 2009 was probably the last year of truely competetive Wc3. Here the results from back then (in spoilers, sc2 relevant figures marked) Orc 2009 + Show Spoiler + Name....................Points 1. Lyn........................537 (Korea) 2. Grubby...................504 3. Fly.........................402 (China) 4. Lucifron..................398 5. Focus.....................342 (Korea) 6. WhO......................250 (Korea) 7. Like.......................179 (China) 8. Sting......................156 9. Violet.......................67 10. dArk.......................64 11. Future.....................24 (China) 12. Ciara......................17 13. Wulin......................16 (China) 13. S.o.K.o.L.................16 15. Aca.........................11 15. Rotterdam...............11 17. Eric..........................8 18. Knoff........................5 19. TryDying..................4 Undead 2009 + Show Spoiler + 1. TeD..................................547 (China) 2. Reign................................469 (Korea) 3. Happy...............................428 4. FoV...................................364 (Korea) 5. XlorD.................................310 6. Space................................210 (Korea, R.I.P.) 7. DowaQ...............................209 8. HasuObs.............................130 9. NightEnd.............................115 10. Vortix................................55 10. HLA...................................55 12. Elfitaja...............................16 13. Bly......................................4 14. Panxiang.............................1 Human 2009 + Show Spoiler + 1. TH000..........................401 (China) 2. Sky.............................380 (China) 3. Infi..............................329 (China) 4. Demuslim....................230 5. Reprisal.......................181 (Korea) 6. Michael........................167 (Korea) 7. Myth............................153 (Korea) 8. Yaws............................122 9. Thorzain.......................108 10. Kas..............................51 11. Stephano.....................22 12. Effect...........................20 13. Sonkie.........................19 14. Leon.............................9 15. Kei................................8 (China) 16. Ace...............................6 (China) 17. HolyHuman....................4 18. Miou..............................3 19. Resolver........................2 20. Thank............................1 (China) 20. Guangmo.......................1 (China) 20. Veryb1gman...................1 R.I.P. Nightelf 2009 --> unfortionally lost in dead space for some reason :/ | ||
monk
United States8477 Posts
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Aiobhill
Germany283 Posts
On June 19 2013 05:22 monk wrote: Also, I was actually going to write some articles about wc3 a year ago but got really sidetracked. But this might be interesting: Unofficial TL WC3 Power Rank Relative WC3 skill/achievements of SC2 players from WC3 Grubby/Moon/Sky(very heavily debated who's the best) Lyn Tod (retired early) Infi Remind Creolophus (prodigy who won WCG after quitting the game, went to studies after one year as a full-time gamer) Lucifron (one of only two players to ever successfully break into the wc3 scene extremely late) Soccer Violet (one of only two players to ever successfully break into the wc3 scene extremely late) Check SaSe (trained in china, always got top 16 but never won a tournament) Happy Xlord Demuslim Satiini (known for never going to lans because he had a fear of traveling) Hasuobs Titan (don't remember him too well) Macsed (consistently overshadowed by other Chinese players, was probably better than this) Rotterdam (known for using farseer when everyone used blademaster) Nightend ThorZaiN (started late, was getting good at the end of WC3) Kas (known for getting into semifinals of online cups) Vortix (way overshadowed by his brother) Moonglade (known for massing fiends) Semi competitive SjoW (know for imba 2v2 team with Delicato in early WC3) Naniwa (known more for BM than skill) Take (I just remember it being funny that he was on the same team as a player named tak3r) Axslav (known for imba 2v2 team with Strifeco, random player) Strifeco (see Axslav) Not competitive Stephano (no real accomplishments) Polt (casual) Other Bly/Targa/elfi/Naama (don't remember much about them) Madfrog(Really hard to place since he played at the different time from everyone else, was one of the greats during his time though) Missing Tillerman, Zacard, maybe Hanfy. Also honorable mentions for tak3r and AKM for playing batshit crazy. | ||
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Dudasc
Brazil286 Posts
I am not saying KR completely dominated CH but they were still better... KR even won most of the KRvsCH wars (if not all). The REAL power rank would be something like: 1) Moon 2) Lyn 3) Grubby 4) Lucifer 5) Soju 6) Remind 7) Fov 8) ToD 9) Sweet 10) Fly100% 11) Soccer/Infi/Reign/etc (so many players) Lucifron, demuslim and other players should never get close to top20 players ever. I wonder why so many people forgt about TH000, Soju, Zacard and other legends. For some reason people also are not even including some of the 4 UD legends: Lucifer, Sweet, Fov and Reign. Decent players like Creo/Susiria were also better than Lucifron/Demuslim (Lucifron used to be a total BM abuser ;/) and other players mentioned here. some notes: 1) Remind said himself that Soju was his master and taught him everything he knew. 2) At some point, all NE were losing to UD players, with only Soju (and sometimes Moon) being able to beat them 3) When Sky came to the scene, he was much better than Tod. 4) When Lyn broke the scene, he was also better than grubby 5) All the big 3 UDs (Lucifer, fov and sweet) had their time of brilliance and domination, each on a different time. 6) Many o the players dicussed on this threat were only able to start winning tournaments and zotacs after the scene started dying 7) Infi was terrible when the scene was on top 8) Happy used to be a little bit BM (and too sincere) in WC3. He made very good points tho and had one of the best micros of all time. Edit: Players like vortix, Bly, hasuobs and other names also only appeared in the very late scene (when wc3 was completely dead). On the other hand, Tod and Happy (mainly Tod) dominated when the scene was bigger. Violet also did pretty decent, but the scene was kinda dead as well | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
"koreans are dominating bw, its hard to be a bw pro in korea or anywhere, lets try our luck with wc3" (this would apply to korean non bw pros wanting to be bw pro) so there just happens to be many wc3 pros playing sc2, and many of them fully capable of good bw pro if given the chance however since bw pro scene was so saturated with talent, it could be easier to become a wc3 pro. seems plausible. sc2 scene is still largely dominated by bw players. naturally there are more wc3 pros coming from na/eu since there wasnt a big bw scene and wc3 was bigger. tldr: in korea bw scene held talent. in eu/na, wc3 scene held talent. so naturally, thats what we see with sc2 transition. | ||
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monk
United States8477 Posts
On June 19 2013 06:17 Aiobhill wrote: Missing Tillerman, Zacard, maybe Hanfy. Also honorable mentions for tak3r and AKM for playing batshit crazy. None of those players played SC2. Otherwise, I'd have to include Fly, Ted, Th000, Sweet, Reign, Fov, Lucifer etc... On June 19 2013 06:21 Dudasc wrote: why are you guys saying that CH > KR in wc3? CH did great but KR was still a little better, all UD, NE and ORC KR players were better tha CH. China only started dominating so much towards 2009 or later because a lot of korean players went to army and had to retire or just stopped playing (fov, sweet, lucifer, check, Soju, Moon), even players like Lyn had a huge break, but even after only a few days of practing Lyn was already on good enough shape to rape players like Remind, Fly100% and the chinese human players (sky, th000, infi). I am not saying KR completely dominated CH but they were still better... KR even won most of the KRvsCH wars (if not all). Korea was the better country most of the time, but I would say that China was marginally better in 2009, right before the release of SCII. The was mostly because Moon was slumping and Fly/Th000/Infi got especially really good. Only Remind/Lyn could really compete. | ||
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Grovbolle
Denmark3825 Posts
On June 19 2013 06:28 monk wrote: None of those players played SC2. Otherwise, I'd have to include Fly, Ted, Th000, Sweet, Reign, Fov, Lucifer etc... Korea was the better country most of the time, but I would say that China was marginally better in 2009, right before the release of SCII. The was mostly because Moon was slumping and Fly/Th000/Infi got especially really good. Only Remind/Lyn could really compete. http://aligulac.com/players/196-Hanfy/ Not this hanfy? | ||
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Dudasc
Brazil286 Posts
On June 19 2013 06:28 monk wrote: None of those players played SC2. Otherwise, I'd have to include Fly, Ted, Th000, Sweet, Reign, Fov, Lucifer etc... Korea was the better country most of the time, but I would say that China was marginally better in 2009, right before the release of SCII. The was mostly because Moon was slumping and Fly/Th000/Infi got especially really good. Only Remind/Lyn could really compete. Yes, you're right. I just think its important to note that after 2009 only Remind and Lyn were really competing. Soccer was also a monster but for some reason people considered him to be the underdog, even through he had much better results than Remind when both competed at the same tournament/year. | ||
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ejozl
Denmark3561 Posts
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Aiobhill
Germany283 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23580 Posts
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Grovbolle
Denmark3825 Posts
On June 19 2013 06:41 Musicus wrote: As many stated the wc3 scene was just much bigger in EU and paved the way for sc2 by establishing RTS infrastructure. I don't think the games matters that much, TLO played some weird game I can't remember and Apollo played command and conquer (he planned on going pro first) etc. It's just that the rts scene was already big in EU compared to NA. Supreme commander. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23580 Posts
Ah right thanks :D. | ||
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Dudasc
Brazil286 Posts
On June 19 2013 06:41 Musicus wrote: As many stated the wc3 scene was just much bigger in EU and paved the way for sc2 by establishing RTS infrastructure. I don't think the games matters that much, TLO played some weird game I can't remember and Apollo played command and conquer (he planned on going pro first) etc. It's just that the rts scene was already big in EU compared to NA. I would just say that NA players were just bad had extremely terrible manner and will to improve. User was warned for this post | ||
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monk
United States8477 Posts
On June 19 2013 06:37 Aiobhill wrote: Hanfy plays SC2. Tak3r was quite active in the beta and at least 'a' AKM was resonably high ealier on the Korean ladder iirc. I honestly don't know who Hanfy is, either in WC3 or in SC2. =( I've never heard of Tak3r or AKM playing SC2 either, but imo they're not notable enough. 1) Moon 2) Lyn 3) Grubby 4) Lucifer 5) Soju 6) Remind 7) Fov 8) ToD 9) Sweet 10) Fly100% 11) Soccer/Infi/Reign/etc (so many players) Where's Sky? SoJu may have been better than Remind in skill but lacked accomplishments. Th000, Fly, and Infi were probably the best players at the end of WC3 and they were also consistently good. Lucifer/Fov/Sweet/Reign are too high for their accomplishments and their time in the scene. If you want to give them a handicap for being UD and another one for quitting early, then I'd understand. Even then, Lucifer is still too high. | ||
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Piledriver
United States1697 Posts
On June 19 2013 05:22 monk wrote: Also, I was actually going to write some articles about wc3 a year ago but got really sidetracked. But this might be interesting: Unofficial TL WC3 Power Rank Relative WC3 skill/achievements of SC2 players from WC3 -snip- Moonglade (known for massing fiends) -snip- -snip- Polt (casual) -snip- Other Bly/Targa/elfi/Naama (don't remember much about them) Madfrog(Really hard to place since he played at the different time from everyone else, was one of the greats during his time though) Would have been hard for mOOnglade to mass fiends considering that he played as Night Elf  . I think you are mixing him up with Philbot, who was another Australian wc3 player who was semi-successful on the international level and went DK+fiends every single game (including UD mirror, where Lich first was clearly the strongest build).Also Polt wasn't really casual, he just restricted himself to playing in Korean tournaments due to school, and I remember him playing as early as 2005-2006 in the Korean MBC Prime League WC3 tournaments. He was the pioneer of early Mountain King first builds(even before players like Infi and TH000 were popularized them) though he was never really successful enough to go deep into these tournaments, but he was capable of qualifying for them regularly. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23580 Posts
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On June 19 2013 07:01 Musicus wrote: Someone (Take would be perfect for the job) should organize a wc3 tournament with current sc2 pros. that, my friend, is a very sexy idea! Grubby would probably win pretty easily, but still  | ||
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