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On June 04 2013 08:40 SCST wrote:
Wow this is incredible THANK YOU !
Side Note: I did notice that for the WCS viewers you only calculated the primary stream and didn't add in the non-english streams. I know that WCS EU Finals Day 2 peaked at 135k total viewers as I happened to check on that day.
I have included all the non-English streams. The bars for the WCS EU events are broken down by stream, the lighter color is the main WCS EU stream, the darker colors are the local streams. And the numbers are the totals of the average viewers, not the peak viewers. So your 135k observation is entirely correct.
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On June 04 2013 09:27 DenTenker wrote:
I love this thread. Great work! It's interesting to see that Stephano is still #1, even though he is leaving in just a few short months. Maybe everybody is trying to get their last glimpse of him before he retires.
I wonder if he's really retiring this time... I certainly hope not 
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No poll option for what I'd pick, which is essentially whatever is on that is convenient to watch for me. Being on the US west coast with cliche full time hours, that ends up being the tail ends of WCS NA and sometimes WCS EU VoDs if there isnt any DotA2 I'd rather catch up on. I Don't sub to twitch/GOM so the only times I watch KR SC2 is proleague and GSL finals (since I can stay up to 2-3am on Fri-Sat).
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KT vs Team 8 got almost 20k viewers...? What?
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On June 04 2013 09:44 GolemMadness wrote:
KT vs Team 8 got almost 20k viewers...? What?
Seems like it started 12am CEST (90 minutes behind schedule). Europes #1 lunch break show, perhaps?
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personally I'm fine with WC dominating the scene and then having a few big weekend tourneys spread the rest of the year. Thats how other sports work, in the UK you watch the premier league or league 1, all controlled and run by the FA. No one complains that the fact that teams only play in 1 league each year is hurting football.
We are getting towards the actual model sports use, a main league that is the focus for all the top players and then extra tournaments on the side, like the Champions or Europa League. So WCS is the premiership/league 1 and DH is the Europa League, Iron Squid the Champions League, or the FA cup etc. Why would this be a bad thing? We are always talking about how we want esports to be like normal sport, well folks.... here it is. This is what you wanted.
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As an American, I enjoyed watching WCS EU the most; in part because I'm more familiar with the EU scene and its players but also because I feel they had a better show. The space was good, the crowd had lots of energy despite being small, great casters and analysts (c'mon, how can you beat Apollo and MC together?), an excellent host, and a jovial atmosphere that struck a good balance between professional and fun. The final match being a showdown between MVP and Stephano helped quite a bit and it was nice to see the EU players hold their own against the Korean pros that were there.
Conversely, WCS NA came across as being rather sterile. No host, no crowd, the casters were good (IMO Axeltoss showed much improvement over the course of the season) but not particularly exciting or entertaining, and nothing happening between games. The whole thing just lacked the character that WCS EU had going for it. As for the playing field, it started out intriguing with a lot of potential for some great stories but the majority of the NA players were KO'd in the RO32, followed by Scarlett, Sen, and Suppy in the RO16, and finally Snute and mOOnGLaDe in the quarterfinals. That was rather disappointing and I expect it killed off a fair bit of interest (incidentally, I'm glad Ryung made it through).
I think anything that MLG can do to up the excitement and entertainment level for the WCS NA broadcast would be a good place to start, especially if they can incorporate an in-studio crowd of some kind (could be difficult with the space available to them), but it needs to be more than just Ax^2 casting games back to back. As far as the playing field goes, that's a larger and much more difficult problem to solve and since it has been debated both here and elsewhere ad nauseum, I see no need to throw my 2 cents in.
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Why are there people on your list that don't make sense at all? for example Tara babcock who never streams does not contribute anything. But you don't add Root-Nathanis who streams every single day with a good stream number and casts events ect? Always love seeing the views of the real players though good job, But I think you could replace a few of thoses people and add in the people like Nathanis who streams daily high numbers and does other community events.Think Tara only had a high view count 1 time when Demuslim was playin games on it.
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On June 04 2013 11:20 LingBlingBling wrote:
Why are there people on your list that don't make sense at all? for example Tara babcock who never streams does not contribute anything. But you don't add Root-Nathanis who streams every single day with a good stream number and casts events ect? Always love seeing the views of the real players though good job, But I think you could replace a few of thoses people and add in the people like Nathanis who streams daily high numbers and does other community events.Think Tara only had a high view count 1 time when Demuslim was playin games on it.
It's a list for players not for casters. Same reason you don't see Take, Khaldor etc.
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Man I wish we could get numbers for Korean streams, Korean TV, afreeca, etc. Those numbers are pretty important.
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On June 04 2013 11:23 FXOdesRow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 11:20 LingBlingBling wrote:
Why are there people on your list that don't make sense at all? for example Tara babcock who never streams does not contribute anything. But you don't add Root-Nathanis who streams every single day with a good stream number and casts events ect? Always love seeing the views of the real players though good job, But I think you could replace a few of thoses people and add in the people like Nathanis who streams daily high numbers and does other community events.Think Tara only had a high view count 1 time when Demuslim was playin games on it. It's a list for players not for casters. Same reason you don't see Take, Khaldor etc.
Nathan is a player he plays terrans and commentates as he plays almost daily with a good stream count.......Also don't see how tara had more then ms. spyte and few others who get around 1k-3k daily. Tara streams maybe once a week or less and had a 1 time high view count with demuslim on it? And there are several casters listed desrow they are also players lol. Tastless/Artosis
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On June 04 2013 11:23 FXOdesRow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 11:20 LingBlingBling wrote:
Why are there people on your list that don't make sense at all? for example Tara babcock who never streams does not contribute anything. But you don't add Root-Nathanis who streams every single day with a good stream number and casts events ect? Always love seeing the views of the real players though good job, But I think you could replace a few of thoses people and add in the people like Nathanis who streams daily high numbers and does other community events.Think Tara only had a high view count 1 time when Demuslim was playin games on it. It's a list for players not for casters. Same reason you don't see Take, Khaldor etc.
Yet there's Tasteless? Who pretty much only played Mario 3, Mario 2, TMNT, and Contra during this period on his stream?
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Wow a lot of information that people want to know put together very well! Thank you :3
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Ty for all the effort! Interesting to watch the numbers progress.
I'm surprised the individual player streams stay as strong with WCS being on so constantly. Blizzard needs to create buffer time between events and therefore scarcity if they want this interest level to persist.
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On June 04 2013 03:10 GunSec wrote:
wow, protech with 325 hours that is dedication folks lol
On June 04 2013 06:45 v_lm wrote:
Damned. Protech streamed 330 hours... thats like 11 hours / day every day during a month.
I think the majority of Protech's streaming hours lately are in Diablo III though, not SC2. (thus kinda questionable to compare)
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On June 04 2013 11:26 LingBlingBling wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 11:23 FXOdesRow wrote:On June 04 2013 11:20 LingBlingBling wrote:
Why are there people on your list that don't make sense at all? for example Tara babcock who never streams does not contribute anything. But you don't add Root-Nathanis who streams every single day with a good stream number and casts events ect? Always love seeing the views of the real players though good job, But I think you could replace a few of thoses people and add in the people like Nathanis who streams daily high numbers and does other community events.Think Tara only had a high view count 1 time when Demuslim was playin games on it. It's a list for players not for casters. Same reason you don't see Take, Khaldor etc. Nathan is a player he plays terrans and commentates as he plays almost daily with a good stream count.......Also don't see how tara had more then ms. spyte and few others who get around 1k-3k daily. Tara streams maybe once a week or less and had a 1 time high view count with demuslim on it? And there are several casters listed desrow they are also players lol. Tastless/Artosis
I've excluded Nathanias because by now he does a lot of casting (and he's awesome at it, I have to say), and he does it almost all from his personal streaming account. I would have to filter out every single cast he did manually to only get the numbers from his stream when he plays the game, which would be too much work. And then there's always the possibility that he would cast something while not assigned to any event in the TL.net calendar, which is absolutely impossible for me to verify from the data I have, unless I just happen to watch his stream at the time.
That's also why I don't include Take, for instance. He's been playing a lot lately in his "Getting to GM" program, but it's all on the TakeTV account, which for the most part is for casts. Both Take and Nathanias would have made it into the list otherwise.
On June 04 2013 18:10 figq wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 03:10 GunSec wrote:
wow, protech with 325 hours that is dedication folks lol Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 06:45 v_lm wrote:
Damned. Protech streamed 330 hours... thats like 11 hours / day every day during a month. I think the majority of Protech's streaming hours lately are in Diablo III though, not SC2. (thus kinda questionable to compare)
I only take the viewer numbers into account when the players are streaming SC2. It's up to the players to tell the TL.net sidebar which game they are playing, though, so it's entirely possible that Protech (or anyone else) was playing Diablo III while the website said he was playing SC2.
That's what happened with Tasteless, too: According to my data, he's been playing SC2. I know he's definitely been playing other games, though, but I cannot say for certain if all of his SC2 time really was spent playing other games or not. Someone might want to give him a poke and tell him to think of setting the games he plays correctly in the TL.net interface. 
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On June 04 2013 11:20 LingBlingBling wrote:
Why are there people on your list that don't make sense at all? for example Tara babcock who never streams does not contribute anything. But you don't add Root-Nathanis who streams every single day with a good stream number and casts events ect? Always love seeing the views of the real players though good job, But I think you could replace a few of thoses people and add in the people like Nathanis who streams daily high numbers and does other community events.Think Tara only had a high view count 1 time when Demuslim was playin games on it.
LOLWut? I stream 3-4x a week for 4 hours each with an average of 850-1000 concurrent viewers each time. I even had to take 2 weeks off this month and made the list. Check the hours logged and average viewership before you talk.
Also, I interact and entertain while I am trying to improve. The fact that I bring in more non-StarCraft fans to watch StarCraft also contributes.
Always the hate from people who have never watched my stream and are completely ignorant to me other than my appearance. O.o
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On June 04 2013 01:58 faintz wrote:Show nested quote +WCS AM has been struggling a bit, however. The finals had about half the viewers of WCS EU, and here we cannot use the time zone difference as an excuse. Or are there really so many more European Starcraft fans out there compared to American Starcraft fans? WCS AM has done consistently worse than WCS EU. What do you guys think is the reason for that? I'm especially interested in comments readers from the US/Americas on whether they watch WCS AM, or if they even prefer WCS EU over it. I've also added a poll to gauge the popularity of the various WCS regions to the bottom of the post. Do participate! WCS EU was exciting. There was constantly something going on in between games. There were great casters and a host who kept things entertaining, a small crowd added a little bit of excitement if someone won, The games were just better and had memorable moments (forgg vs stephano). To beat the dead horse a little more, EU had mostly EU players. Players that people want to watch. WCS AM was not exciting to watch at all. No crowd. Almost zero content outside of the games. No host. Long shots of the NY skyline and players room. Mediocre casting at best. When HerO won there was just dead silence followed by an awkward award ceremony. Oh yeah and the obvious... No NA players to actually root for.
This a thousand times! MLG really needs to reminded that they were supposed to be hosting a huge tournament to wrap up the American circuit for Season 1 and it just looks like they decided to wing it.
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MLG is not a tournament organization, it's disorganization at its finest. Blizzard really needs to hand over WCS AM to NASL or the IPL people they have employed for reasons i do not know.
a lot of really interesting information in there though. to this day i don't understand why people enjoy watching player streams so much, but more power to them as it does give the players moneys.
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