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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/8892469397
With the 2013 World Championship Series in full swing, we’ve been getting a lot of excellent feedback from you, and we’ve decided to align each ladder season with the WCS. We’re going to adjust the start dates for each season the rest of this year to: 2013 Ladder Season 3 – June 10 (start of WCS Season 2) 2013 Ladder Season 4 – August 26 (start of WCS Season 3) 2013 Ladder Season 5 – November 11Each season will be 11 weeks long. The dates referenced in-game will be updated during maintenance, soon. For more on how seasons on the StarCraft II ladder work, check out our StarCraft II Ladder Information FAQ.
Poll: First impressions of the alignment of ladder and WCS seasons?Approve (345) 87% Neutral-prove (41) 10% Disapprove (11) 3% 397 total votes Your vote: First impressions of the alignment of ladder and WCS seasons? (Vote): Approve
(Vote): Disapprove
(Vote): Neutral-prove
EDIT: In case Blizzard reads TL:
On May 25 2013 09:54 Dodgin wrote:
The next step is to make the map pools in all WCS regions the same, and have the ladder map pool be the same as that WCS season map pool.
On May 25 2013 12:08 Assirra wrote:
I only would agree with this if the rest follows the GSL/OSL map pool.
Current Map Pools
Akilon Wastes – Ladder, AM, EU, KR
Atlas – KR
Bel’Shir Vestige – Ladder, AM, EU, KR
Cloud Kingdom – AM
Daybreak – AM, EU, KR
Derelict Watcher – Ladder
Klontas Mire – Ladder
Neo Planet S – Ladder, AM, EU
Newkirk Precinct – EU
Red City – KR
Star Station – Ladder, AM, EU, KR
Whirlwind – Ladder, AM, EU, KR
Zerus Prime – Ladder
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does the ladder have anything to do with getting into challenger league, or why does it matter to blizzard to have them aligned?
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On May 25 2013 09:45 nkr wrote:
does the ladder have anything to do with getting into challenger league, or why does it matter to blizzard to have them aligned?
It's to increase fans' emotional attachment to players and the ladders. You'll get the same feeling that you're on the same schedule as your favorite pros.
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I'd be happy about this if it meant Blizzard would completely change their map pool every season. As it stands now I doubt much will change throughout the year. Stagnant map pool might be good for the players but it is horrible for the viewers (long term) and leads to a stagnant meta game.
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I like that they've done it, but if the ladder doesn't have anything to do with WCS then doing this isn't going to drive any competition there. Personally I'm a firm believer in what ShoutCraft was trying to achieve.
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I really don't see the point of this at the moment, but whatever I guess?
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The next step is to make the map pools in all WCS regions the same, and have the ladder map pool be the same as that WCS season map pool.
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Dam they have stepped up their involvement in the last 6 months espically since hots launched
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Nice change.
I hope they consider removing/adding new maps mid season tho, waiting 11 weeks for some really bad maps to be removed is along time + adding maps they want to test a bit before the new WCS season should keep the map pool fresh each WCS season.
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Neutral-prove I guess, doesn't seem like a noteworthy change
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I like this change, brings the fans closer to the players in a way.
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Cool. Maybe this could lead into having the ladder matter for Challenger League or something.
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Thats like 5 seasons a year.. too much imo. 4 would be ideal but it's a small detail so it's all good.
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meh. really doesn't matter
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Unified map pool would be great. Maybe one or two additional maps for each region.
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Hopefully they use the same map pools from WCS aswell.
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The only issue I forsee with this is that the finals for wcs will be held when the ladder is ending so people may have to choose between playing and watching. BUT, this also means that most of the games will be played at the beginning of the season. ALSO, I am looking way too much into this
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yeah , might as well ahahah
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A new ladder season every 11 weeks... A WCS season every ladder season..
Something doesn't add up, are we to expect 5 WCS seasons every year?
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On May 25 2013 10:55 darkscream wrote:
A new ladder season every 11 weeks... A WCS season every ladder season..
Something doesn't add up, are we to expect 5 WCS seasons every year?
No, ladder still runs while WCS has an off-season.
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On May 25 2013 09:54 Dodgin wrote:
The next step is to make the map pools in all WCS regions the same, and have the ladder map pool be the same as that WCS season map pool.
This idea is freaking amazing.
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On May 25 2013 09:54 Dodgin wrote:
The next step is to make the map pools in all WCS regions the same, and have the ladder map pool be the same as that WCS season map pool.
This especially. Tired of seeing outdated neutral supply depots on the MLG Whirlwind in particular.
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I would appreciate this change... there are too many seasons in one year...
also it's a smoother feeling, even when there is no real connection between WCS and ladder season
/approve
EDIT: same mappool would also be really nice... also for the pros i could imagine and also for other tournaments... normally there are not much differences between the tourney-maps but there is to ladder
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Meh, doesn't hurt anything, maybe something good will come of it in the future? something planned in the pipes perhaps?
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If map pool is going to be the same, I'd like to see an entirely new map pool each season, or only keep 1-2 maps. Otherwise I like this idea.
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On May 25 2013 09:54 Dodgin wrote:
The next step is to make the map pools in all WCS regions the same, and have the ladder map pool be the same as that WCS season map pool.
Are they not already the same? Different regions have different map pools?
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I wonder if a certain ladder-based tournament can be squeezed in right after the season championships. Hmm....
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assuming there are lots of cool new tournament maps swapped around with each season then i strongly approve of this 
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On May 25 2013 11:45 ReMiiX wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 09:54 Dodgin wrote:
The next step is to make the map pools in all WCS regions the same, and have the ladder map pool be the same as that WCS season map pool. Are they not already the same? Different regions have different map pools?
That is true, NA is still using Cloud Kingdom for example, while none of the other regions do.
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On May 25 2013 11:45 ReMiiX wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 09:54 Dodgin wrote:
The next step is to make the map pools in all WCS regions the same, and have the ladder map pool be the same as that WCS season map pool. Are they not already the same? Different regions have different map pools?
For example, GSL uses Red City and Atlas, which aren't used in EU or AM.
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On May 25 2013 11:55 gobbledydook wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 11:45 ReMiiX wrote:On May 25 2013 09:54 Dodgin wrote:
The next step is to make the map pools in all WCS regions the same, and have the ladder map pool be the same as that WCS season map pool. Are they not already the same? Different regions have different map pools? For example, GSL uses Red City and Atlas, which aren't used in EU or AM.
Hopefully it was just a first season thing and next season all regions should be the same + most of them on ladder (hopefully)
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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
Current Map Pools
Akilon Wastes – Ladder, AM, EU, KR
Atlas – KR
Bel’Shir Vestige – Ladder, AM, EU, KR
Cloud Kingdom – AM
Daybreak – AM, EU, KR
Derelict Watcher – Ladder
Klontas Mire – Ladder
Neo Planet S – Ladder, AM, EU
Newkirk Precinct – EU
Red City – KR
Star Station – Ladder, AM, EU, KR
Whirlwind – Ladder, AM, EU, KR
Zerus Prime – Ladder
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On May 25 2013 09:54 Dodgin wrote:
The next step is to make the map pools in all WCS regions the same, and have the ladder map pool be the same as that WCS season map pool.
Would be nice, but Blizzard wants a diverse set of maps so it probably wont happen
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Yes, definitely a map pool sync with the current WCS would be nice. Partially because half of Blizzard's current map pool is total shit (the new maps? Jesus Christ...) so having tournament-APPROVED maps would be splendid! But what are the odds... 
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On May 25 2013 09:54 Dodgin wrote:
The next step is to make the map pools in all WCS regions the same, and have the ladder map pool be the same as that WCS season map pool.
I only would agree with this if the rest follows the GSL/OSL map pool.
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I have no problem with this, so why not? Changing the map pool to be the same as the current WCS season's map pool would only keep the ladder more fresh and allow ladder players to experience and enjoy more maps.
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On May 25 2013 11:15 TheUnderking wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 09:54 Dodgin wrote:
The next step is to make the map pools in all WCS regions the same, and have the ladder map pool be the same as that WCS season map pool. This idea is freaking amazing.
it's common sense
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why does KR get those maps :/ Need to be globalized for all!
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#unifywcsladdermappool anyone?
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Great move by Blizzard, apparently they've been stepping it a lot up recently.
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I think it's only logical that they align the ladder map pool with the WCS map pool.
Something like "WCS maps + 0-3 exclusive ladder maps", so that Blizzard can still put in some more unconventional/too rushy/bad (:D) maps, but pros can still veto them.
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sounds cool enough from where i'm standing but especially cool for the pros who can now establish a predictable rhythm of maintaining their ladder play and tournament play at the same time.
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Maybe the proleague map pool should be added to that list. IMO it is also quite good, I especially love fighting spirit.
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United States97276 Posts
I don't see how anything bad could come of this. I do agree that the map pools need to be the same for each region
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hmm could be funny if each region has their own map pool on ladder. More maps more fun even with lag.
On a more serious note I rather hope it doesn't mean the Tournament map pool will slow down heh.
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On June 02 2013 14:12 Shellshock1122 wrote:
I don't see how anything bad could come of this. I do agree that the map pools need to be the same for each region
Hehe there is 1 bad thing I am worried about. Blizzard just doing their own maps (or not changing them). That is really my only concern right now.
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On May 25 2013 09:45 nkr wrote:
does the ladder have anything to do with getting into challenger league, or why does it matter to blizzard to have them aligned?
I sure hope they don't decide to cut qualifiers and use the ladder for invites that would be rather terrible.
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Please standardize the map pool. It'll be awesome playing games and trying to emulate strategies we see in WCS/Proleague/GSL instead of stuff like that bridge map -.-
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On June 02 2013 16:00 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2013 14:12 Shellshock1122 wrote:
I don't see how anything bad could come of this. I do agree that the map pools need to be the same for each region Hehe there is 1 bad thing I am worried about. Blizzard just doing their own maps (or not changing them). That is really my only concern right now.
It's fine if Blizzard includes a few... "unconventional/too rushy/bad (:D) maps" (as was well stated above) as long as they can be vetoed.
Also Proleague maps need to be seriously looked at by Blizzard. Some of them are garbage, sure, but some of them are amazing and should make their way into WCS for sure imo.
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United Kingdom12022 Posts
Also Proleague maps need to be seriously looked at by Blizzard. Some of them are garbage, sure, but some of them are amazing and should make their way into WCS for sure imo.
If Fighting Spirit isn't in the ladder next season I might cry.
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Great, just like LoL does with their seasons!
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Wtf I didn't know that regions had different map pools.
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I hope this means more new maps each season,preferably the ones GSL is running.
Wtf I didn't know that regions had different map pools.
I believe those are competitive maps for WCS.
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United Kingdom14103 Posts
If they keep the map pools the same as eachother I think that's cool.
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Great to see they're focusing on something so meaningless -.-
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I want more map variety, what point is there in every region having the same maps?
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I Hope the maps will be changed to current tourney maps for each region
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I don't mind that the map pool is different from one and another. It means that more maps can be tested in all the WCS regions and the it adds a regional flair. But half of the map pool should be aligned through the different regions so there is some sort of consistency.
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I don't really see the point of this unless they update the ladder map pool to the WCS map pool.
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So does the ladder effect wcs at all? If not then its pretty irrelevant.
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You should consider revising the format of the map-pools of the different regions. Start with the maps played in all regions, follow with the maps played in two regions and end with maps played in only a single region. It would give a cleaner/easier to read look at the different maps. You could add the maps played in the season finals also. Thanks!
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I prefer to have different map pools per region, because this rewards map makers and players that use map specific strategies. And I think it's more interesting for the viewers to have diversity.
I wrote a blog about a problem with this approach, see here. ^_^
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On May 25 2013 09:54 Dodgin wrote:
The next step is to make the map pools in all WCS regions the same, and have the ladder map pool be the same as that WCS season map pool.
I wouldn't want to see Klontas Mire in the WCS
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Anyone thinks we will ever see GM rank become meaningful? (perhaps as seeding?)
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How long are ladder seasons right now? Does this make them longer or shorter?
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EPT
