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Blizzard to Align Ladder Seasons with WCS Seasons

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juicyjames *
Profile Joined August 2011
United States3815 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-25 03:10:15
May 25 2013 00:43 GMT
#1
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/8892469397

With the 2013 World Championship Series in full swing, we’ve been getting a lot of excellent feedback from you, and we’ve decided to align each ladder season with the WCS. We’re going to adjust the start dates for each season the rest of this year to:

2013 Ladder Season 3 – June 10 (start of WCS Season 2)
2013 Ladder Season 4 – August 26 (start of WCS Season 3)
2013 Ladder Season 5 – November 11

Each season will be 11 weeks long.

The dates referenced in-game will be updated during maintenance, soon.

For more on how seasons on the StarCraft II ladder work, check out our StarCraft II Ladder Information FAQ.


Poll: First impressions of the alignment of ladder and WCS seasons?

Approve (345)
 
87%

Neutral-prove (41)
 
10%

Disapprove (11)
 
3%

397 total votes

Your vote: First impressions of the alignment of ladder and WCS seasons?

(Vote): Approve
(Vote): Disapprove
(Vote): Neutral-prove



EDIT: In case Blizzard reads TL:

On May 25 2013 09:54 Dodgin wrote:
The next step is to make the map pools in all WCS regions the same, and have the ladder map pool be the same as that WCS season map pool.

On May 25 2013 12:08 Assirra wrote:
I only would agree with this if the rest follows the GSL/OSL map pool.


Current Map Pools
Akilon Wastes – Ladder, AM, EU, KR
Atlas – KR
Bel’Shir Vestige – Ladder, AM, EU, KR
Cloud Kingdom – AM
Daybreak – AM, EU, KR
Derelict Watcher – Ladder
Klontas Mire – Ladder
Neo Planet S – Ladder, AM, EU
Newkirk Precinct – EU
Red City – KR
Star Station – Ladder, AM, EU, KR
Whirlwind – Ladder, AM, EU, KR
Zerus Prime – Ladder
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nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
May 25 2013 00:45 GMT
#2
does the ladder have anything to do with getting into challenger league, or why does it matter to blizzard to have them aligned?
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imEnex
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada500 Posts
May 25 2013 00:46 GMT
#3
Good ideA!!!
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
May 25 2013 00:47 GMT
#4
Smart move.
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Snoodles
Profile Joined March 2012
401 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-25 00:49:36
May 25 2013 00:47 GMT
#5
On May 25 2013 09:45 nkr wrote:
does the ladder have anything to do with getting into challenger league, or why does it matter to blizzard to have them aligned?



It's to increase fans' emotional attachment to players and the ladders. You'll get the same feeling that you're on the same schedule as your favorite pros.
8mmspikes
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1704 Posts
May 25 2013 00:51 GMT
#6
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TeslasPigeon
Profile Joined March 2012
464 Posts
May 25 2013 00:51 GMT
#7
I'd be happy about this if it meant Blizzard would completely change their map pool every season. As it stands now I doubt much will change throughout the year. Stagnant map pool might be good for the players but it is horrible for the viewers (long term) and leads to a stagnant meta game.
wrekkless
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada87 Posts
May 25 2013 00:52 GMT
#8
I like that they've done it, but if the ladder doesn't have anything to do with WCS then doing this isn't going to drive any competition there. Personally I'm a firm believer in what ShoutCraft was trying to achieve.
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Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3820 Posts
May 25 2013 00:54 GMT
#9
I really don't see the point of this at the moment, but whatever I guess?
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 25 2013 00:54 GMT
#10
The next step is to make the map pools in all WCS regions the same, and have the ladder map pool be the same as that WCS season map pool.
igay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia1178 Posts
May 25 2013 00:56 GMT
#11
Dam they have stepped up their involvement in the last 6 months espically since hots launched
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Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
May 25 2013 00:58 GMT
#12
Nice change.

I hope they consider removing/adding new maps mid season tho, waiting 11 weeks for some really bad maps to be removed is along time + adding maps they want to test a bit before the new WCS season should keep the map pool fresh each WCS season.

mechengineer123
Profile Joined March 2013
Ukraine711 Posts
May 25 2013 01:02 GMT
#13
Neutral-prove I guess, doesn't seem like a noteworthy change
Demonhunter04
Profile Joined July 2011
1530 Posts
May 25 2013 01:10 GMT
#14
I like this change, brings the fans closer to the players in a way.
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Master of DalK
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Canada1799 Posts
May 25 2013 01:14 GMT
#15
Cool. Maybe this could lead into having the ladder matter for Challenger League or something.
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sM.Zik
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2550 Posts
May 25 2013 01:14 GMT
#16
Thats like 5 seasons a year.. too much imo. 4 would be ideal but it's a small detail so it's all good.
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Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
May 25 2013 01:17 GMT
#17
meh. really doesn't matter
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Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9029 Posts
May 25 2013 01:18 GMT
#18
Unified map pool would be great. Maybe one or two additional maps for each region.
Onlinejaguar
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia2823 Posts
May 25 2013 01:27 GMT
#19
Hopefully they use the same map pools from WCS aswell.
FezTheCaliph
Profile Joined February 2010
United States492 Posts
May 25 2013 01:30 GMT
#20
The only issue I forsee with this is that the finals for wcs will be held when the ladder is ending so people may have to choose between playing and watching. BUT, this also means that most of the games will be played at the beginning of the season. ALSO, I am looking way too much into this
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asdfOu
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2089 Posts
May 25 2013 01:33 GMT
#21
yeah , might as well ahahah
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darkscream
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2310 Posts
May 25 2013 01:55 GMT
#22
A new ladder season every 11 weeks... A WCS season every ladder season..

Something doesn't add up, are we to expect 5 WCS seasons every year?
Onlinejaguar
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia2823 Posts
May 25 2013 02:09 GMT
#23
On May 25 2013 10:55 darkscream wrote:
A new ladder season every 11 weeks... A WCS season every ladder season..

Something doesn't add up, are we to expect 5 WCS seasons every year?


No, ladder still runs while WCS has an off-season.
TheUnderking
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada202 Posts
May 25 2013 02:15 GMT
#24
On May 25 2013 09:54 Dodgin wrote:
The next step is to make the map pools in all WCS regions the same, and have the ladder map pool be the same as that WCS season map pool.


This idea is freaking amazing.
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Tarufuin
Profile Joined April 2010
United States33 Posts
May 25 2013 02:18 GMT
#25
On May 25 2013 09:54 Dodgin wrote:
The next step is to make the map pools in all WCS regions the same, and have the ladder map pool be the same as that WCS season map pool.


This especially. Tired of seeing outdated neutral supply depots on the MLG Whirlwind in particular.
Xetrael
Profile Joined February 2011
Austria41 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-25 02:19:51
May 25 2013 02:18 GMT
#26
I would appreciate this change... there are too many seasons in one year...

also it's a smoother feeling, even when there is no real connection between WCS and ladder season

/approve

EDIT: same mappool would also be really nice... also for the pros i could imagine and also for other tournaments... normally there are not much differences between the tourney-maps but there is to ladder
FakeDouble
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia676 Posts
May 25 2013 02:19 GMT
#27
Meh, doesn't hurt anything, maybe something good will come of it in the future? something planned in the pipes perhaps?
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Pursuit_
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States1330 Posts
May 25 2013 02:24 GMT
#28
If map pool is going to be the same, I'd like to see an entirely new map pool each season, or only keep 1-2 maps. Otherwise I like this idea.
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ReMiiX
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States338 Posts
May 25 2013 02:45 GMT
#29
On May 25 2013 09:54 Dodgin wrote:
The next step is to make the map pools in all WCS regions the same, and have the ladder map pool be the same as that WCS season map pool.


Are they not already the same? Different regions have different map pools?
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Ichabod
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1659 Posts
May 25 2013 02:54 GMT
#30
I wonder if a certain ladder-based tournament can be squeezed in right after the season championships. Hmm....
Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
May 25 2013 02:54 GMT
#31
assuming there are lots of cool new tournament maps swapped around with each season then i strongly approve of this
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
May 25 2013 02:55 GMT
#32
On May 25 2013 11:45 ReMiiX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2013 09:54 Dodgin wrote:
The next step is to make the map pools in all WCS regions the same, and have the ladder map pool be the same as that WCS season map pool.


Are they not already the same? Different regions have different map pools?


That is true, NA is still using Cloud Kingdom for example, while none of the other regions do.
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gobbledydook
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia2605 Posts
May 25 2013 02:55 GMT
#33
On May 25 2013 11:45 ReMiiX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2013 09:54 Dodgin wrote:
The next step is to make the map pools in all WCS regions the same, and have the ladder map pool be the same as that WCS season map pool.


Are they not already the same? Different regions have different map pools?


For example, GSL uses Red City and Atlas, which aren't used in EU or AM.
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Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
May 25 2013 02:57 GMT
#34
On May 25 2013 11:55 gobbledydook wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2013 11:45 ReMiiX wrote:
On May 25 2013 09:54 Dodgin wrote:
The next step is to make the map pools in all WCS regions the same, and have the ladder map pool be the same as that WCS season map pool.


Are they not already the same? Different regions have different map pools?


For example, GSL uses Red City and Atlas, which aren't used in EU or AM.


Hopefully it was just a first season thing and next season all regions should be the same + most of them on ladder (hopefully)
juicyjames *
Profile Joined August 2011
United States3815 Posts
May 25 2013 03:01 GMT
#35
Current Map Pools
Akilon Wastes – Ladder, AM, EU, KR
Atlas – KR
Bel’Shir Vestige – Ladder, AM, EU, KR
Cloud Kingdom – AM
Daybreak – AM, EU, KR
Derelict Watcher – Ladder
Klontas Mire – Ladder
Neo Planet S – Ladder, AM, EU
Newkirk Precinct – EU
Red City – KR
Star Station – Ladder, AM, EU, KR
Whirlwind – Ladder, AM, EU, KR
Zerus Prime – Ladder
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TAMinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2706 Posts
May 25 2013 03:02 GMT
#36
On May 25 2013 09:54 Dodgin wrote:
The next step is to make the map pools in all WCS regions the same, and have the ladder map pool be the same as that WCS season map pool.

Would be nice, but Blizzard wants a diverse set of maps so it probably wont happen
Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2103 Posts
May 25 2013 03:03 GMT
#37
Yes, definitely a map pool sync with the current WCS would be nice. Partially because half of Blizzard's current map pool is total shit (the new maps? Jesus Christ...) so having tournament-APPROVED maps would be splendid! But what are the odds...
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
May 25 2013 03:08 GMT
#38
On May 25 2013 09:54 Dodgin wrote:
The next step is to make the map pools in all WCS regions the same, and have the ladder map pool be the same as that WCS season map pool.

I only would agree with this if the rest follows the GSL/OSL map pool.
DenTenker
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States606 Posts
May 25 2013 03:15 GMT
#39
I have no problem with this, so why not? Changing the map pool to be the same as the current WCS season's map pool would only keep the ladder more fresh and allow ladder players to experience and enjoy more maps.
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suicideyear
Profile Joined December 2012
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
May 25 2013 03:15 GMT
#40
On May 25 2013 11:15 TheUnderking wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2013 09:54 Dodgin wrote:
The next step is to make the map pools in all WCS regions the same, and have the ladder map pool be the same as that WCS season map pool.


This idea is freaking amazing.


it's common sense
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Race is Terran
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
United States382 Posts
May 25 2013 03:24 GMT
#41
why does KR get those maps :/ Need to be globalized for all!
captainwaffles
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States1050 Posts
May 25 2013 03:32 GMT
#42
#unifywcsladdermappool anyone?
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Miss_Foxy
Profile Joined March 2012
Singapore109 Posts
May 25 2013 04:41 GMT
#43
Great move by Blizzard, apparently they've been stepping it a lot up recently.
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-25 04:44:37
May 25 2013 04:44 GMT
#44
I think it's only logical that they align the ladder map pool with the WCS map pool.
Something like "WCS maps + 0-3 exclusive ladder maps", so that Blizzard can still put in some more unconventional/too rushy/bad (:D) maps, but pros can still veto them.
Doc Daneeka
Profile Joined March 2010
United States577 Posts
May 25 2013 04:52 GMT
#45
sounds cool enough from where i'm standing but especially cool for the pros who can now establish a predictable rhythm of maintaining their ladder play and tournament play at the same time.
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Redrot
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
United States446 Posts
June 02 2013 05:00 GMT
#46
Maybe the proleague map pool should be added to that list. IMO it is also quite good, I especially love fighting spirit.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
June 02 2013 05:12 GMT
#47
I don't see how anything bad could come of this. I do agree that the map pools need to be the same for each region
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FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
June 02 2013 05:28 GMT
#48
hmm could be funny if each region has their own map pool on ladder. More maps more fun even with lag.
On a more serious note I rather hope it doesn't mean the Tournament map pool will slow down heh.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
June 02 2013 07:00 GMT
#49
On June 02 2013 14:12 Shellshock1122 wrote:
I don't see how anything bad could come of this. I do agree that the map pools need to be the same for each region


Hehe there is 1 bad thing I am worried about. Blizzard just doing their own maps (or not changing them). That is really my only concern right now.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Baum
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1010 Posts
June 02 2013 08:57 GMT
#50
On May 25 2013 09:45 nkr wrote:
does the ladder have anything to do with getting into challenger league, or why does it matter to blizzard to have them aligned?


I sure hope they don't decide to cut qualifiers and use the ladder for invites that would be rather terrible.
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Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
June 02 2013 08:59 GMT
#51
Please standardize the map pool. It'll be awesome playing games and trying to emulate strategies we see in WCS/Proleague/GSL instead of stuff like that bridge map -.-
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dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-02 09:04:12
June 02 2013 09:03 GMT
#52
On June 02 2013 16:00 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2013 14:12 Shellshock1122 wrote:
I don't see how anything bad could come of this. I do agree that the map pools need to be the same for each region


Hehe there is 1 bad thing I am worried about. Blizzard just doing their own maps (or not changing them). That is really my only concern right now.


It's fine if Blizzard includes a few... "unconventional/too rushy/bad (:D) maps" (as was well stated above) as long as they can be vetoed.

Also Proleague maps need to be seriously looked at by Blizzard. Some of them are garbage, sure, but some of them are amazing and should make their way into WCS for sure imo.
Azera
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3800 Posts
June 02 2013 09:12 GMT
#53
Fantastic idea.
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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
June 02 2013 09:32 GMT
#54
Also Proleague maps need to be seriously looked at by Blizzard. Some of them are garbage, sure, but some of them are amazing and should make their way into WCS for sure imo.


If Fighting Spirit isn't in the ladder next season I might cry.
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Fus
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1112 Posts
June 02 2013 09:46 GMT
#55
Great, just like LoL does with their seasons!
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
June 02 2013 09:47 GMT
#56
Wtf I didn't know that regions had different map pools.
Liman
Profile Joined July 2012
Serbia681 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-02 10:06:03
June 02 2013 10:04 GMT
#57
I hope this means more new maps each season,preferably the ones GSL is running.
Wtf I didn't know that regions had different map pools.

I believe those are competitive maps for WCS.
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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
June 02 2013 10:07 GMT
#58
If they keep the map pools the same as eachother I think that's cool.
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Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
June 02 2013 10:13 GMT
#59
Great to see they're focusing on something so meaningless -.-
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Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
June 02 2013 10:17 GMT
#60
I want more map variety, what point is there in every region having the same maps?
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Ace1123
Profile Joined September 2011
Philippines1187 Posts
June 02 2013 10:17 GMT
#61
I Hope the maps will be changed to current tourney maps for each region
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archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
June 02 2013 10:27 GMT
#62
I don't mind that the map pool is different from one and another. It means that more maps can be tested in all the WCS regions and the it adds a regional flair. But half of the map pool should be aligned through the different regions so there is some sort of consistency.
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Absentia
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom973 Posts
June 02 2013 10:29 GMT
#63
I don't really see the point of this unless they update the ladder map pool to the WCS map pool.
TBone-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2309 Posts
June 02 2013 10:33 GMT
#64
So does the ladder effect wcs at all? If not then its pretty irrelevant.
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m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
June 02 2013 10:44 GMT
#65
You should consider revising the format of the map-pools of the different regions. Start with the maps played in all regions, follow with the maps played in two regions and end with maps played in only a single region. It would give a cleaner/easier to read look at the different maps. You could add the maps played in the season finals also. Thanks!
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-02 11:16:29
June 02 2013 11:16 GMT
#66
I prefer to have different map pools per region, because this rewards map makers and players that use map specific strategies. And I think it's more interesting for the viewers to have diversity.

I wrote a blog about a problem with this approach, see here. ^_^
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monkh
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom568 Posts
June 02 2013 11:22 GMT
#67
On May 25 2013 09:54 Dodgin wrote:
The next step is to make the map pools in all WCS regions the same, and have the ladder map pool be the same as that WCS season map pool.



I wouldn't want to see Klontas Mire in the WCS
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Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
June 02 2013 14:42 GMT
#68
Anyone thinks we will ever see GM rank become meaningful? (perhaps as seeding?)
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
hitpoint
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1511 Posts
June 02 2013 15:10 GMT
#69
How long are ladder seasons right now? Does this make them longer or shorter?
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