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On May 14 2013 20:00 Martijn wrote:
Isn't everyone missing the larger evil here? Stephano with a medical license terrifies me. Yes, ungodly steady hands probably, but between his obsession with knives and drinking, I would think twice before letting Stephano cut me open D:
i don't know about the medical student culture elsewhere, but i don't think it's uncommon for med students to be somewhat party animals haha
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On May 14 2013 16:36 LingBlingBling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 16:35 opterown wrote:On May 14 2013 16:34 LingBlingBling wrote:On May 14 2013 16:32 opterown wrote:
why are we discussing stephano in the medical field, iirc he said he was going to do an engineering degree or something? he was a med student prior to pro gaming, Sure he is going to keep doing that, or switch to med engineering, But he made big statements and spoke on his stream he wishes to keep doing his med education. i doubt he was a med student before pro-gaming, source? i don't think he is doing med engineering either Many sources, He stated several times he was a med student prior to his pro gaming, which is why everyone is discussing it. He stated in his stream several times how he wishes to go back to his medical school and find a career in that field. 100% fact he was a med student prior to pro gaming, if you are a fan, you can find his interviews long ago which shows his goals, he was a med student.
nothing gets me more mad than idiots who speak without knowing, especially with things such as "100% fact".
stephano is not a med student
source : i'm french, i know the french education system and i know stephano's educational situation.
next time, shut it?
edit : holy shit, everything you said in this thread is a disgrace.
do you actually believe that in a country like france, obviously just as developped as the us, med school is "much easier"? really?
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On May 14 2013 19:54 revel8 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 19:26 onewaystyx wrote:
I find it obnoxious to say that he is the best foreigner in sc2 history when he isnt by miles. Success isnt measured in money, but much more in accomplishments.
In that regard jinro is the best foreigner in sc2 history and for me always will be since his lvl of play at that time still hasnt been matched to the day today by any foreigner. Right behind him is idra who just gets mocked by so many people despite him being a living legend and then thered be naniwa with 2 gsl code s ro8 back to back.
Stephano was honestly terrible vs koreans as he proved in his gsl run and winning foreign tournaments means nothing. Stephano is rated so highly BECAUSE of his wins against Koreans. If you want to pretend winning foreign tournaments means nothing, then you should not expect to be taken seriously.
people that consider stephano being better than jinro should not be taken seriously. 2 ro4 finishes back to back. Nobody besides him has ever even made it to the ro4. He even beat mc on scrap station using mech. Havent seen that happen even once after him. So stop being a little stephano fan boy and give the actualy foreign legends recognition.
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Too bad. There goes the last foreigner who could really stand up to Koreans.
From a financial point of view, I don't think this is a good decision. Studies can wait another year or two if you make this much money. Stephano will be hard pressed to earn this much with a regular job, especially at his age. If I were him, I'd stay in progaming a bit longer and set some money aside before going back to university. That is, of course, unless he doesn't enjoy playing any more.
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I guess those rankings are showing the average education of a country as a whole. In the US there is top level high education but there are also very bad schools. So the average is smewhere in the midfield of those rankings although there are probably the best schools.
USA land of the heavily obese and super skinny people
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I honestly think people like LingBlingBling should get a timeout from posting here, after 2-3 hours of searching the net i havent found ANY evidence that medical school is fundamentally different in the US compared to other countrys, the only thing which is distinguishing them is the humongus cost in the US and some minor differences (US more practicaly orientated etc.)
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On May 14 2013 20:04 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 20:00 Martijn wrote:
Isn't everyone missing the larger evil here? Stephano with a medical license terrifies me. Yes, ungodly steady hands probably, but between his obsession with knives and drinking, I would think twice before letting Stephano cut me open D: i don't know about the medical student culture elsewhere, but i don't think it's uncommon for med students to be somewhat party animals haha
And with that comment, life expectancy projections drop another 10 years D:
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|Lame| He can still do a lot more for the esports and his career. Sad to see him go as well ;/
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On May 14 2013 20:08 onewaystyx wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 19:54 revel8 wrote:On May 14 2013 19:26 onewaystyx wrote:
I find it obnoxious to say that he is the best foreigner in sc2 history when he isnt by miles. Success isnt measured in money, but much more in accomplishments.
In that regard jinro is the best foreigner in sc2 history and for me always will be since his lvl of play at that time still hasnt been matched to the day today by any foreigner. Right behind him is idra who just gets mocked by so many people despite him being a living legend and then thered be naniwa with 2 gsl code s ro8 back to back.
Stephano was honestly terrible vs koreans as he proved in his gsl run and winning foreign tournaments means nothing. Stephano is rated so highly BECAUSE of his wins against Koreans. If you want to pretend winning foreign tournaments means nothing, then you should not expect to be taken seriously. people that consider stephano being better than jinro should not be taken seriously. 2 ro4 finishes back to back. Nobody besides him has ever even made it to the ro4. He even beat mc on scrap station using mech. Havent seen that happen even once after him. So stop being a little stephano fan boy and give the actualy foreign legends recognition.
Jinro competed well in an undeveloped metagame. Most of the opponents he faced and beat were not even in the next GSL after his last Ro4 finish. Pretty much all of his opponents that he faced in those two Ro4 finishes are retired or are practically nothing in the scene except for MarineKing and MC. Stephano on the other hand competed in a vastly developed metagame where the bad players of early SC2 were weeded out only leaving the best of the best. Although he doesn't have Ro4 finishes, I'd honestly consider a Ro16 performance in the current GSL much more impressive than a Ro4 showing in the earlier GSLs.
That's no disrespect to the champions of the era like MVP, MC, and NesTea--those were really the only three actually good players of the era as they are only ones of that era that are even still competing. Guys like FruitDealer and Tester were good for the era but in terms of long-term skill they lacked it. To give you a good idea of how undeveloped the meta was at the time, FruitDealer won the first ever GSL basically off of pure cheese and all-ins. Even his "macro" games were "cheesy" where he took massive risks by overproducing drones to gain an advantage. He relied on trickery rather than actual mechanics and skill.
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On May 14 2013 20:04 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 20:00 Martijn wrote:
Isn't everyone missing the larger evil here? Stephano with a medical license terrifies me. Yes, ungodly steady hands probably, but between his obsession with knives and drinking, I would think twice before letting Stephano cut me open D: i don't know about the medical student culture elsewhere, but i don't think it's uncommon for med students to be somewhat party animals haha
I'm pretty sure the medical course is so long to account for the double lectures that hungover med students miss.
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On May 14 2013 20:08 onewaystyx wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 19:54 revel8 wrote:On May 14 2013 19:26 onewaystyx wrote:
I find it obnoxious to say that he is the best foreigner in sc2 history when he isnt by miles. Success isnt measured in money, but much more in accomplishments.
In that regard jinro is the best foreigner in sc2 history and for me always will be since his lvl of play at that time still hasnt been matched to the day today by any foreigner. Right behind him is idra who just gets mocked by so many people despite him being a living legend and then thered be naniwa with 2 gsl code s ro8 back to back.
Stephano was honestly terrible vs koreans as he proved in his gsl run and winning foreign tournaments means nothing. Stephano is rated so highly BECAUSE of his wins against Koreans. If you want to pretend winning foreign tournaments means nothing, then you should not expect to be taken seriously. people that consider stephano being better than jinro should not be taken seriously. 2 ro4 finishes back to back. Nobody besides him has ever even made it to the ro4. He even beat mc on scrap station using mech. Havent seen that happen even once after him. So stop being a little stephano fan boy and give the actualy foreign legends recognition.
I am not going to disrespect Jinro or other notable Foreign players by dissing their achievements.
Stephano however achieved more for a longer period when there was an increased level of competition. Stephano is famous for taking more tournament maps off top Koreans then any other Foreign player.
If you want to pretend otherwise then OK, everyone knows that TL has a couple of idiot posters. The Forum will just now know who one of them is...
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Sad news indeed, but I doubt he will stop playing completely. A player of his talent could stay competitive with little practice. Time will tell I guess. Best of luck.
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On May 14 2013 20:04 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 20:00 Martijn wrote:
Isn't everyone missing the larger evil here? Stephano with a medical license terrifies me. Yes, ungodly steady hands probably, but between his obsession with knives and drinking, I would think twice before letting Stephano cut me open D: i don't know about the medical student culture elsewhere, but i don't think it's uncommon for med students to be somewhat party animals haha
Pretty much. Stephano will be eccentric in the crowd, but not for the reasons named above. I wouldn't be surprised if he fit in surgery or anesthesia (people tend to cluster by personality in different fields).
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On May 14 2013 05:29 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
he realizes the over all prize money is going down hill. Smart exit by him.
I really hope you're not actually mistaking the stuff you always make up for fact. Stephano always wanted to return to studies, he stayed longer with progaming than he originally intended.
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He has done so much for the scene and i will miss him 
Big blow for foreigners in general as well T_T
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On May 14 2013 20:23 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 20:08 onewaystyx wrote:On May 14 2013 19:54 revel8 wrote:On May 14 2013 19:26 onewaystyx wrote:
I find it obnoxious to say that he is the best foreigner in sc2 history when he isnt by miles. Success isnt measured in money, but much more in accomplishments.
In that regard jinro is the best foreigner in sc2 history and for me always will be since his lvl of play at that time still hasnt been matched to the day today by any foreigner. Right behind him is idra who just gets mocked by so many people despite him being a living legend and then thered be naniwa with 2 gsl code s ro8 back to back.
Stephano was honestly terrible vs koreans as he proved in his gsl run and winning foreign tournaments means nothing. Stephano is rated so highly BECAUSE of his wins against Koreans. If you want to pretend winning foreign tournaments means nothing, then you should not expect to be taken seriously. people that consider stephano being better than jinro should not be taken seriously. 2 ro4 finishes back to back. Nobody besides him has ever even made it to the ro4. He even beat mc on scrap station using mech. Havent seen that happen even once after him. So stop being a little stephano fan boy and give the actualy foreign legends recognition. Jinro competed well in an undeveloped metagame. Most of the opponents he faced and beat were not even in the next GSL after his last Ro4 finish. Pretty much all of his opponents that he faced in those two Ro4 finishes are retired or are practically nothing in the scene except for MarineKing and MC. Stephano on the other hand competed in a vastly developed metagame where the bad players of early SC2 were weeded out only leaving the best of the best. Although he doesn't have Ro4 finishes, I'd honestly consider a Ro16 performance in the current GSL much more impressive than a Ro4 showing in the earlier GSLs. That's no disrespect to the champions of the era like MVP, MC, and NesTea--those were really the only three actually good players of the era as they are only ones of that era that are even still competing. Guys like FruitDealer and Tester were good for the era but in terms of long-term skill they lacked it. To give you a good idea of how undeveloped the meta was at the time, FruitDealer won the first ever GSL basically off of pure cheese and all-ins. Even his "macro" games were "cheesy" where he took massive risks by overproducing drones to gain an advantage. He relied on trickery rather than actual mechanics and skill.
You don't know what you're talking about. Taeja, Polt, Maru, Losira, Byun, Genius, Zenio, San, Leenock, Jjakji, Sound, Inca, sC, Vines, Golden, Squirtle, Gumiho, Alive are just some of the people that were playing in the GSL open seasons in 2010.
edit: extending this to the first two GSL seasons of 2011, in which Jinro had a Ro4 and a Ro16, we get some more players: Killer, Ace, Top, Line, YuGiOh, MMA, Coca, Noblesse, Curious, Alicia, Losira, Supernova, Ganzi, Revival, and this is not counting players like Nada, Boxer, July.
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Progaming is not a Full time job with future expectations.
Im guessing Stephano just chose the safer path.
2 Big names went off in short time... and its just after the expansion came out. Blizzard might take some heat for this (thou not sure if people wil blame blizzard for the decline in sc2).
Well GL to Stephano i guess.
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On May 14 2013 05:33 tuho12345 wrote:216k + over 100k per year for salary, that shouldn't be too bad for a student. Well not enough to pay for med school but still help quite a lot. Gl hf to him, truly one of the best foreigner even though I never like his fanboys, still respect. // time for EG to add a strong foreigner with special personality 
Med school is free in France. He's got a lot of money saved up to buy vodka.
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On May 14 2013 20:42 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 20:23 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 14 2013 20:08 onewaystyx wrote:On May 14 2013 19:54 revel8 wrote:On May 14 2013 19:26 onewaystyx wrote:
I find it obnoxious to say that he is the best foreigner in sc2 history when he isnt by miles. Success isnt measured in money, but much more in accomplishments.
In that regard jinro is the best foreigner in sc2 history and for me always will be since his lvl of play at that time still hasnt been matched to the day today by any foreigner. Right behind him is idra who just gets mocked by so many people despite him being a living legend and then thered be naniwa with 2 gsl code s ro8 back to back.
Stephano was honestly terrible vs koreans as he proved in his gsl run and winning foreign tournaments means nothing. Stephano is rated so highly BECAUSE of his wins against Koreans. If you want to pretend winning foreign tournaments means nothing, then you should not expect to be taken seriously. people that consider stephano being better than jinro should not be taken seriously. 2 ro4 finishes back to back. Nobody besides him has ever even made it to the ro4. He even beat mc on scrap station using mech. Havent seen that happen even once after him. So stop being a little stephano fan boy and give the actualy foreign legends recognition. Jinro competed well in an undeveloped metagame. Most of the opponents he faced and beat were not even in the next GSL after his last Ro4 finish. Pretty much all of his opponents that he faced in those two Ro4 finishes are retired or are practically nothing in the scene except for MarineKing and MC. Stephano on the other hand competed in a vastly developed metagame where the bad players of early SC2 were weeded out only leaving the best of the best. Although he doesn't have Ro4 finishes, I'd honestly consider a Ro16 performance in the current GSL much more impressive than a Ro4 showing in the earlier GSLs. That's no disrespect to the champions of the era like MVP, MC, and NesTea--those were really the only three actually good players of the era as they are only ones of that era that are even still competing. Guys like FruitDealer and Tester were good for the era but in terms of long-term skill they lacked it. To give you a good idea of how undeveloped the meta was at the time, FruitDealer won the first ever GSL basically off of pure cheese and all-ins. Even his "macro" games were "cheesy" where he took massive risks by overproducing drones to gain an advantage. He relied on trickery rather than actual mechanics and skill. You don't know what you're talking about. Taeja, Polt, Maru, Losira, Byun, Genius, Zenio, San, Leenock, Jjakji, Sound, Inca, sC, Vines, Golden, Squirtle, Gumiho, Alive are just some of the people that were playing in the GSL open seasons in 2010.
SC2 Shifts so fast and often thats its even hard to keep track of the players.
Few players can make a living out of this game unless they win tournaments (and keep winning).
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He realized there is no real future playing sc2. At least he earned some good money during his sc2 career so he should be fine. I'm sure there were (are?) many wannabe pros that were just wasting their time.
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