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On May 12 2013 09:14 Wingblade wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 08:52 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 12 2013 08:48 Cheerio wrote:On May 12 2013 07:44 Nachtwind wrote:
i think he´s right about this community oh shut up. Everywhere and always there have been people who are dumb, but it's just as dumb to judge all of the community by those few. "Few"? Those "few" DDOS streams 24/7. Those "few" got Orb fired. Those "few" got Destiny fired. Those "few" got Stephano suspended. Those "few" got IdrA fired. Those "few" are ruining careers. Those few are somehow ruining this community and ruining esports and you expect us to just ignore that? Your incredibly nieve if you are blaming a few people in the community for the mistakes that these people make. Those "few" people, didn't get them in trouble, their mistakes and stupidity did.
I didn't blame the people for their mistakes. You misunderstand. I fully acknowledge that they made mistakes. However, humans make mistakes all the time.
In the case of Orb, he raged. Simple. His comments in the rage were controversial but he didn't mean any of it. Everyone rages. Don't act like you don't rage unless you're like uber casual.
In the case of Destiny, he was an idiot and a douchebag. But he didn't deserve to be fired for it. It was personal matter that should've have been settled privately. Instead, one party decided to reveal the mistake to the public and for some reason the public felt attached to it even though the matter was not only supposed to be private but also none of ANYONE'S BUSINESS.
In the case of Stephano, his comments were absolutely deplorable. But they were a joke. I many times have made the occasional, homosexual or pedophilia joke with my friends. Maybe I'm weird. I don't know, but does that make me a bad person that needs to be punished? No.
We're humans. Those players are all humans. Stop acting like they need to be more than human beings just because of their celebrity status. They're professional VIDEO GAMERS. We're playing games here. We're not running countries. We're not saving lives. We're playing GAMES.
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On May 12 2013 09:20 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 09:11 waxypants wrote:On May 12 2013 09:08 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 12 2013 09:03 waxypants wrote:On May 12 2013 08:52 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 12 2013 08:48 Cheerio wrote:On May 12 2013 07:44 Nachtwind wrote:
i think he´s right about this community oh shut up. Everywhere and always there have been people who are dumb, but it's just as dumb to judge all of the community by those few. "Few"? Those "few" DDOS streams 24/7. Those "few" got Orb fired. Those "few" got Destiny fired. Those "few" got Stephano suspended. Those "few" got IdrA fired. Those "few" are ruining careers. Those few are somehow ruining this community and ruining esports and you expect us to just ignore that? What are you talking about, most of those things are direct results of one person in each case. In IdrA's case, that one person was himself. He said something dumb in a public forum where everybody could see it (for example, HIS BOSS), his boss didn't like it, and he got axed. No in the other scenarios besides IdrA the incident would've gone unpunished had it not been for the community backlash of the "few." The "white knights" came out in droves and decided to email sponsors. The sponsors got worried and ask for those guys removal/punishment. Stephano's case was probably the worst because of how disturbing his comments were and he would've probably been reprimanded, but the publicity of that incident and other incidents made the situation much worse than it had to be. As a result, EG and the bosses of the other two had to take immediate action or face conflict with sponsors. With IdrA, normally his boss would've gotten over it. Remembering "fucking David Kim with a tire iron?" Remember premature GGs? Remember trash talk against players like HuK and Zenio? That was when the community didn't go too apeshit over the littlest things. However, in this case, the "white knights" decided to spam sponsors like they did to those other players. Result: the sponsors got worried and they asked them to remove IdrA. Simple. I haven't pored over every thread of this on this and I don't even visit reddit, so can you post where the evidence is for this? This incident happened months ago. I don't visit reddit unless big "drama" occurs. Quite frankly I can't give you proof. However, from what I remember from the threads of the time, everyone was talking about how a bunch of trolls spammed the sponsors pretending to be "pissed" by those people. Most of the "white knights" are a bunch of trolls. Not only that, it's only common sense. You don't fire or suspend players if nobody knows or cares of their wrongdoing. If they did something wrong and it wasn't a big deal or it did not receive much attention, then punishment would be unnecessary and tedious. You only fire people if what they had done ruins their public image or relations with sponsors.
Yeeeeesh -- don't judge me.
Sorry, couldn't resist 
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On May 12 2013 09:07 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 08:52 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 12 2013 08:48 Cheerio wrote:On May 12 2013 07:44 Nachtwind wrote:
i think he´s right about this community oh shut up. Everywhere and always there have been people who are dumb, but it's just as dumb to judge all of the community by those few. "Few"? Those "few" DDOS streams 24/7. Those "few" got Orb fired. Those "few" got Destiny fired. Those "few" got Stephano suspended. Those "few" got IdrA fired. Those "few" are ruining careers. Those few are somehow ruining this community and ruining esports and you expect us to just ignore that? Actually, 'Orb' got Orb fired, for being foolish enough to broadcast the most juvenile and offensive form of bm possible. 'Destiny' got 'Destiny fired for choosing to treat his stream like a personal soapbox and not part of his job. And 'idra' got idra fired for making a promise to his boss and sponsors and breaking that promise in a little under a week.
Stop acting like you don't rage. I've called people anti-semitic and anti-homophobic things whenever I've raged. Does that make me a bad person? No. You forget that Orb is a HUMAN BEING. Human beings often can't control anger and will say things they don't mean. Are you really punishing him for being HUMAN?
Destiny didn't get fired for that you idiot. I'm not even going to talk about why he was fired because 1) it was so stupid, it made my brain hurt 2) the fact that you're commenting on something you don't know makes barf
IdrA did break a promise but breaking that promise wasn't supposed to get him fired. He's broken that promise hundreds of times in his career. The only reason why he got punished this time was because of the severe community backlash.
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On May 12 2013 09:25 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 09:14 Wingblade wrote:On May 12 2013 08:52 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 12 2013 08:48 Cheerio wrote:On May 12 2013 07:44 Nachtwind wrote:
i think he´s right about this community oh shut up. Everywhere and always there have been people who are dumb, but it's just as dumb to judge all of the community by those few. "Few"? Those "few" DDOS streams 24/7. Those "few" got Orb fired. Those "few" got Destiny fired. Those "few" got Stephano suspended. Those "few" got IdrA fired. Those "few" are ruining careers. Those few are somehow ruining this community and ruining esports and you expect us to just ignore that? Your incredibly nieve if you are blaming a few people in the community for the mistakes that these people make. Those "few" people, didn't get them in trouble, their mistakes and stupidity did. I didn't blame the people for their mistakes. You misunderstand. I fully acknowledge that they made mistakes. However, humans make mistakes all the time. In the case of Orb, he raged. Simple. His comments in the rage were controversial but he didn't mean any of it. Everyone rages. Don't act like you don't rage unless you're like uber casual. In the case of Destiny, he was an idiot and a douchebag. But he didn't deserve to be fired for it. It was personal matter that should've have been settled privately. Instead, one party decided to reveal the mistake to the public and for some reason the public felt attached to it even though the matter was not only supposed to be private but also none of ANYONE'S BUSINESS. In the case of Stephano, his comments were absolutely deplorable. But they were a joke. I many times have made the occasional, homosexual or pedophilia joke with my friends. Maybe I'm weird. I don't know, but does that make me a bad person that needs to be punished? No. We're humans. Those players are all humans. Stop acting like they need to be more than human beings just because of their celebrity status. They're professional VIDEO GAMERS. We're playing games here. We're not running countries. We're not saving lives. We're playing GAMES.
if i get paid to give my sponsors exposure i better do that in the best way possible if i want to keep getting paid. its that simple, its not a conspiracy. i don't blame the sponsors or EG for the decision since Idra was doing a terrible job. and doing a terrible job gets you fired in most lines of work.
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On May 12 2013 09:25 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 09:14 Wingblade wrote:On May 12 2013 08:52 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 12 2013 08:48 Cheerio wrote:On May 12 2013 07:44 Nachtwind wrote:
i think he´s right about this community oh shut up. Everywhere and always there have been people who are dumb, but it's just as dumb to judge all of the community by those few. "Few"? Those "few" DDOS streams 24/7. Those "few" got Orb fired. Those "few" got Destiny fired. Those "few" got Stephano suspended. Those "few" got IdrA fired. Those "few" are ruining careers. Those few are somehow ruining this community and ruining esports and you expect us to just ignore that? Your incredibly nieve if you are blaming a few people in the community for the mistakes that these people make. Those "few" people, didn't get them in trouble, their mistakes and stupidity did. I didn't blame the people for their mistakes. You misunderstand. I fully acknowledge that they made mistakes. However, humans make mistakes all the time. In the case of Orb, he raged. Simple. His comments in the rage were controversial but he didn't mean any of it. Everyone rages. Don't act like you don't rage unless you're like uber casual. In the case of Destiny, he was an idiot and a douchebag. But he didn't deserve to be fired for it. It was personal matter that should've have been settled privately. Instead, one party decided to reveal the mistake to the public and for some reason the public felt attached to it even though the matter was not only supposed to be private but also none of ANYONE'S BUSINESS. In the case of Stephano, his comments were absolutely deplorable. But they were a joke. I many times have made the occasional, homosexual or pedophilia joke with my friends. Maybe I'm weird. I don't know, but does that make me a bad person that needs to be punished? No. We're humans. Those players are all humans. Stop acting like they need to be more than human beings just because of their celebrity status. They're professional VIDEO GAMERS. We're playing games here. We're not running countries. We're not saving lives. We're playing GAMES.
Yeah, I don't think you understand how the professional world works. If you think that anything that you listed would not go unnoticed or not result in some sort firing, you incorrect. Video games or not, the things that took place don't have any place in public professional world. If you don't think that the players, casters and others should be held that standard, the sponsors and people with the money disagree.
Also, fact check. Orb was fired, but it took place because of past comments. I would be fired for my job for the same thing if someone that up. Destany was never fired and left teams of his own will rather than attract drama to them. Stephano was suspended, which is exactly what would happen to a professional sports player if they acted that way.
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That's what you get for making Reddit one of the central hubs of your community bros. Pointless drama and witch hunts is what they live for. Think we have it bad? Try reading about the Reddit "investigation" of the Boston Bombing, where they started to harass innocent people who they concluded were the perpetrators based on security footage. Be happy that the worst they do for us is emailing sponsors every now and then.
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On May 12 2013 09:25 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
We're humans. Those players are all humans. Stop acting like they need to be more than human beings just because of their celebrity status. They're professional VIDEO GAMERS. We're playing games here. We're not running countries. We're not saving lives. We're playing GAMES.
Sorry but the moment you start accepting sponsor money you agree to certain obligations.
E-sports and video-games are not disconnected from the rest of society.
Some of us can sympathize with things like 'harassment in fighting-games is ok' but the rest of the world where your sponsors operate will not.
Also:
On May 12 2013 09:25 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
In the case of Orb, he raged. Simple. His comments in the rage were controversial but he didn't mean any of it. Everyone rages. Don't act like you don't rage unless you're like uber casual.
Orb was 'hunted' for his denial.
His 'my friend did it' defense was a red rag to a bull and even if it was true he should have known better that to say that.
He had a good chance of avoiding most of the backlash if only he took responsibility.
On May 12 2013 09:25 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
In the case of Destiny, he was an idiot and a douchebag. But he didn't deserve to be fired for it. It was personal matter that should've have been settled privately. Instead, one party decided to reveal the mistake to the public and for some reason the public felt attached to it even though the matter was not only supposed to be private but also none of ANYONE'S BUSINESS.
You are forgetting that Desting build up a large number of enemies by constantly defending his use of racist slurs.
The whole reason his fans were not able to save him was precisely because of his controversial history.
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On May 12 2013 09:32 Toadvine wrote:
That's what you get for making Reddit one of the central hubs of your community bros. Pointless drama and witch hunts is what they live for. Think we have it bad? Try reading about the Reddit "investigation" of the Boston Bombing, where they started to harass innocent people who they concluded were the perpetrators based on security footage. Be happy that the worst they do for us is emailing sponsors every now and then.
Teamliquid has done this before as well and been just as wrong. It is similar groups between the two.
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On May 12 2013 09:13 Ropid wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 08:52 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 12 2013 08:48 Cheerio wrote:On May 12 2013 07:44 Nachtwind wrote:
i think he´s right about this community oh shut up. Everywhere and always there have been people who are dumb, but it's just as dumb to judge all of the community by those few. "Few"? Those "few" DDOS streams 24/7. Those "few" got Orb fired. Those "few" got Destiny fired. Those "few" got Stephano suspended. Those "few" got IdrA fired. Those "few" are ruining careers. Those few are somehow ruining this community and ruining esports and you expect us to just ignore that? Only the DDoS is something shitheads could do by themselves. The rest you mentioned is different. Haters can't ruin careers just by being haters.
But they did. I don't know if you were there when these incidents happened but that's what literally happened. A few haters spammed the sponsors of each player. Each player got punished. Orb and Destiny's careers were pretty much over. Stephano is still here but he hasn't been the same since it happened. IdrA's career is still up in the air.
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On May 12 2013 09:33 pmp10 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 09:25 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
We're humans. Those players are all humans. Stop acting like they need to be more than human beings just because of their celebrity status. They're professional VIDEO GAMERS. We're playing games here. We're not running countries. We're not saving lives. We're playing GAMES. Sorry but the moment you start accepting sponsor money you agree to certain obligations. E-sports and video-games are not disconnected from the rest of society. Some of us can sympathize with things like 'harassment in fighting-games is ok' but the rest of the world where your sponsors operate will not.
But you keep forgetting the ONLY reason why sponsors would ever consider firing or removing people from their organizations is if the public got pissed off. Sponsors wouldn't just randomly fire someone because of a questionable incident. The fact that those "few white knights" spammed their sponsors got the ball rolling. Result: People were axed.
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On May 12 2013 09:32 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 09:25 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 12 2013 09:14 Wingblade wrote:On May 12 2013 08:52 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 12 2013 08:48 Cheerio wrote:On May 12 2013 07:44 Nachtwind wrote:
i think he´s right about this community oh shut up. Everywhere and always there have been people who are dumb, but it's just as dumb to judge all of the community by those few. "Few"? Those "few" DDOS streams 24/7. Those "few" got Orb fired. Those "few" got Destiny fired. Those "few" got Stephano suspended. Those "few" got IdrA fired. Those "few" are ruining careers. Those few are somehow ruining this community and ruining esports and you expect us to just ignore that? Your incredibly nieve if you are blaming a few people in the community for the mistakes that these people make. Those "few" people, didn't get them in trouble, their mistakes and stupidity did. I didn't blame the people for their mistakes. You misunderstand. I fully acknowledge that they made mistakes. However, humans make mistakes all the time. In the case of Orb, he raged. Simple. His comments in the rage were controversial but he didn't mean any of it. Everyone rages. Don't act like you don't rage unless you're like uber casual. In the case of Destiny, he was an idiot and a douchebag. But he didn't deserve to be fired for it. It was personal matter that should've have been settled privately. Instead, one party decided to reveal the mistake to the public and for some reason the public felt attached to it even though the matter was not only supposed to be private but also none of ANYONE'S BUSINESS. In the case of Stephano, his comments were absolutely deplorable. But they were a joke. I many times have made the occasional, homosexual or pedophilia joke with my friends. Maybe I'm weird. I don't know, but does that make me a bad person that needs to be punished? No. We're humans. Those players are all humans. Stop acting like they need to be more than human beings just because of their celebrity status. They're professional VIDEO GAMERS. We're playing games here. We're not running countries. We're not saving lives. We're playing GAMES. Yeah, I don't think you understand how the professional world works. If you think that anything that you listed would not go unnoticed or not result in some sort firing, you incorrect. Video games or not, the things that took place don't have any place in public professional world. If you don't think that the players, casters and others should be held that standard, the sponsors and people with the money disagree. Also, fact check. Orb was fired, but it took place because of past comments. I would be fired for my job for the same thing if someone that up. Destany was never fired and left teams of his own will rather than attract drama to them. Stephano was suspended, which is exactly what would happen to a professional sports player if they acted that way.
Well I don't know if that's true about the Orb incident but I do remember it was also because of some anti-semetic rage.
Oh yeah I remember Destiny "parted ways" with ROOT because ROOT was being pressured by sponsors to fire him. That makes so much of a difference. /sarcasm
Stephano wouldn't have been fired. A few months ago, I saw a comment from J.R. Smith, 20-something year old basketball player for the New York Knicks, talk about having sex with a teenager. He did not get punished whatsoever.
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On May 12 2013 09:35 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 09:33 pmp10 wrote:On May 12 2013 09:25 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
We're humans. Those players are all humans. Stop acting like they need to be more than human beings just because of their celebrity status. They're professional VIDEO GAMERS. We're playing games here. We're not running countries. We're not saving lives. We're playing GAMES. Sorry but the moment you start accepting sponsor money you agree to certain obligations. E-sports and video-games are not disconnected from the rest of society. Some of us can sympathize with things like 'harassment in fighting-games is ok' but the rest of the world where your sponsors operate will not. But you keep forgetting the ONLY reason why sponsors would ever consider firing or removing people from their organizations is if the public got pissed off. Sponsors wouldn't just randomly fire someone because of a questionable incident. The fact that those "few white knights" spammed their sponsors got the ball rolling. Result: People were axed.
yeah, why would sponsors have moral standards and/or do their own research into what their players have done? it's all white knighting!
this thread, man
edit: do you think any of the SC2 career expulsions you're talking about are because of one questionable incident, or...many, many more, so that they form a consistent pattern of stupidity. orb may be the one notable exception, but that's because he essentially committed career suicide in 5-6 typed words.
edit2: yeah, your admitted predilection for racial insults isn't a basis of your humanity, either. what a painfully self-defeating argument.
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On May 12 2013 09:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 09:07 Defacer wrote:On May 12 2013 08:52 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 12 2013 08:48 Cheerio wrote:On May 12 2013 07:44 Nachtwind wrote:
i think he´s right about this community oh shut up. Everywhere and always there have been people who are dumb, but it's just as dumb to judge all of the community by those few. "Few"? Those "few" DDOS streams 24/7. Those "few" got Orb fired. Those "few" got Destiny fired. Those "few" got Stephano suspended. Those "few" got IdrA fired. Those "few" are ruining careers. Those few are somehow ruining this community and ruining esports and you expect us to just ignore that? Actually, 'Orb' got Orb fired, for being foolish enough to broadcast the most juvenile and offensive form of bm possible. 'Destiny' got 'Destiny fired for choosing to treat his stream like a personal soapbox and not part of his job. And 'idra' got idra fired for making a promise to his boss and sponsors and breaking that promise in a little under a week. Stop acting like you don't rage. I've called people anti-semitic and anti-homophobic things whenever I've raged. Does that make me a bad person? No. You forget that Orb is a HUMAN BEING. Human beings often can't control anger and will say things they don't mean. Are you really punishing him for being HUMAN? Destiny didn't get fired for that you idiot. I'm not even going to talk about why he was fired because 1) it was so stupid, it made my brain hurt 2) the fact that you're commenting on something you don't know makes barf IdrA did break a promise but breaking that promise wasn't supposed to get him fired. He's broken that promise hundreds of times in his career. The only reason why he got punished this time was because of the severe community backlash.
Hate to burst your bubble, but I don't rage. I don't use words like Jew or faggot to insult people, either online or in real life. But their words I'm not afraid to use, because I probably haven't used them to hurt anybody since the sixth grade. My conscience is fine and clear.
Guys like Destiny, idra and orb have an actual problem. And from the sounds of things, so do you.
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On May 12 2013 09:40 TheExile19 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 09:35 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 12 2013 09:33 pmp10 wrote:On May 12 2013 09:25 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
We're humans. Those players are all humans. Stop acting like they need to be more than human beings just because of their celebrity status. They're professional VIDEO GAMERS. We're playing games here. We're not running countries. We're not saving lives. We're playing GAMES. Sorry but the moment you start accepting sponsor money you agree to certain obligations. E-sports and video-games are not disconnected from the rest of society. Some of us can sympathize with things like 'harassment in fighting-games is ok' but the rest of the world where your sponsors operate will not. But you keep forgetting the ONLY reason why sponsors would ever consider firing or removing people from their organizations is if the public got pissed off. Sponsors wouldn't just randomly fire someone because of a questionable incident. The fact that those "few white knights" spammed their sponsors got the ball rolling. Result: People were axed. yeah, why would sponsors have moral standards and/or do their own research into what their players have done? it's all white knighting! this thread, man
Moral standards? You're acting like sponsors would refuse money for the sake of morals. It's all about publicity and image.
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On May 12 2013 09:39 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 09:32 Plansix wrote:On May 12 2013 09:25 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 12 2013 09:14 Wingblade wrote:On May 12 2013 08:52 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 12 2013 08:48 Cheerio wrote:On May 12 2013 07:44 Nachtwind wrote:
i think he´s right about this community oh shut up. Everywhere and always there have been people who are dumb, but it's just as dumb to judge all of the community by those few. "Few"? Those "few" DDOS streams 24/7. Those "few" got Orb fired. Those "few" got Destiny fired. Those "few" got Stephano suspended. Those "few" got IdrA fired. Those "few" are ruining careers. Those few are somehow ruining this community and ruining esports and you expect us to just ignore that? Your incredibly nieve if you are blaming a few people in the community for the mistakes that these people make. Those "few" people, didn't get them in trouble, their mistakes and stupidity did. I didn't blame the people for their mistakes. You misunderstand. I fully acknowledge that they made mistakes. However, humans make mistakes all the time. In the case of Orb, he raged. Simple. His comments in the rage were controversial but he didn't mean any of it. Everyone rages. Don't act like you don't rage unless you're like uber casual. In the case of Destiny, he was an idiot and a douchebag. But he didn't deserve to be fired for it. It was personal matter that should've have been settled privately. Instead, one party decided to reveal the mistake to the public and for some reason the public felt attached to it even though the matter was not only supposed to be private but also none of ANYONE'S BUSINESS. In the case of Stephano, his comments were absolutely deplorable. But they were a joke. I many times have made the occasional, homosexual or pedophilia joke with my friends. Maybe I'm weird. I don't know, but does that make me a bad person that needs to be punished? No. We're humans. Those players are all humans. Stop acting like they need to be more than human beings just because of their celebrity status. They're professional VIDEO GAMERS. We're playing games here. We're not running countries. We're not saving lives. We're playing GAMES. Yeah, I don't think you understand how the professional world works. If you think that anything that you listed would not go unnoticed or not result in some sort firing, you incorrect. Video games or not, the things that took place don't have any place in public professional world. If you don't think that the players, casters and others should be held that standard, the sponsors and people with the money disagree. Also, fact check. Orb was fired, but it took place because of past comments. I would be fired for my job for the same thing if someone that up. Destany was never fired and left teams of his own will rather than attract drama to them. Stephano was suspended, which is exactly what would happen to a professional sports player if they acted that way. Well I don't know if that's true about the Orb incident but I do remember it was also because of some anti-semetic rage. Oh yeah I remember Destiny "parted ways" with ROOT because ROOT was being pressured by sponsors to fire him. That makes so much of a difference. /sarcasm Stephano wouldn't have been fired. A few months ago, I saw a comment from J.R. Smith, 20-something year old basketball player for the New York Knicks, talk about having sex with a teenager. He did not get punished whatsoever.
last i heard Razer wanted to print a huge picture of Idra with the quote "you are all a bunch of stupid fucks" on their new keyboards!
do you understand that his actions reflect negatively on the brand regardless of if people complain to the company or not?
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On May 12 2013 09:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 09:07 Defacer wrote:On May 12 2013 08:52 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 12 2013 08:48 Cheerio wrote:On May 12 2013 07:44 Nachtwind wrote:
i think he´s right about this community oh shut up. Everywhere and always there have been people who are dumb, but it's just as dumb to judge all of the community by those few. "Few"? Those "few" DDOS streams 24/7. Those "few" got Orb fired. Those "few" got Destiny fired. Those "few" got Stephano suspended. Those "few" got IdrA fired. Those "few" are ruining careers. Those few are somehow ruining this community and ruining esports and you expect us to just ignore that? Actually, 'Orb' got Orb fired, for being foolish enough to broadcast the most juvenile and offensive form of bm possible. 'Destiny' got 'Destiny fired for choosing to treat his stream like a personal soapbox and not part of his job. And 'idra' got idra fired for making a promise to his boss and sponsors and breaking that promise in a little under a week. Stop acting like you don't rage. I've called people anti-semitic and anti-homophobic things whenever I've raged. Does that make me a bad person? No. You forget that Orb is a HUMAN BEING. Human beings often can't control anger and will say things they don't mean. Are you really punishing him for being HUMAN? Destiny didn't get fired for that you idiot. I'm not even going to talk about why he was fired because 1) it was so stupid, it made my brain hurt 2) the fact that you're commenting on something you don't know makes barf IdrA did break a promise but breaking that promise wasn't supposed to get him fired. He's broken that promise hundreds of times in his career. The only reason why he got punished this time was because of the severe community backlash. User was warned for this post
Actually, that does make you a terrible person.
I never think anything anti-semetic or homophobic regardless of any situation in my life or my emotional state because I'm not a racist or a bigot.
You should probably seek therapy or not go out into the world.
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On May 12 2013 09:45 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 09:40 TheExile19 wrote:On May 12 2013 09:35 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 12 2013 09:33 pmp10 wrote:On May 12 2013 09:25 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
We're humans. Those players are all humans. Stop acting like they need to be more than human beings just because of their celebrity status. They're professional VIDEO GAMERS. We're playing games here. We're not running countries. We're not saving lives. We're playing GAMES. Sorry but the moment you start accepting sponsor money you agree to certain obligations. E-sports and video-games are not disconnected from the rest of society. Some of us can sympathize with things like 'harassment in fighting-games is ok' but the rest of the world where your sponsors operate will not. But you keep forgetting the ONLY reason why sponsors would ever consider firing or removing people from their organizations is if the public got pissed off. Sponsors wouldn't just randomly fire someone because of a questionable incident. The fact that those "few white knights" spammed their sponsors got the ball rolling. Result: People were axed. yeah, why would sponsors have moral standards and/or do their own research into what their players have done? it's all white knighting! this thread, man Moral standards? You're acting like sponsors would refuse money for the sake of morals. It's all about publicity and image.
publicity & image and adhering to moral standards are basically, but not exclusively, the same things
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On May 12 2013 09:40 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 09:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 12 2013 09:07 Defacer wrote:On May 12 2013 08:52 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 12 2013 08:48 Cheerio wrote:On May 12 2013 07:44 Nachtwind wrote:
i think he´s right about this community oh shut up. Everywhere and always there have been people who are dumb, but it's just as dumb to judge all of the community by those few. "Few"? Those "few" DDOS streams 24/7. Those "few" got Orb fired. Those "few" got Destiny fired. Those "few" got Stephano suspended. Those "few" got IdrA fired. Those "few" are ruining careers. Those few are somehow ruining this community and ruining esports and you expect us to just ignore that? Actually, 'Orb' got Orb fired, for being foolish enough to broadcast the most juvenile and offensive form of bm possible. 'Destiny' got 'Destiny fired for choosing to treat his stream like a personal soapbox and not part of his job. And 'idra' got idra fired for making a promise to his boss and sponsors and breaking that promise in a little under a week. Stop acting like you don't rage. I've called people anti-semitic and anti-homophobic things whenever I've raged. Does that make me a bad person? No. You forget that Orb is a HUMAN BEING. Human beings often can't control anger and will say things they don't mean. Are you really punishing him for being HUMAN? Destiny didn't get fired for that you idiot. I'm not even going to talk about why he was fired because 1) it was so stupid, it made my brain hurt 2) the fact that you're commenting on something you don't know makes barf IdrA did break a promise but breaking that promise wasn't supposed to get him fired. He's broken that promise hundreds of times in his career. The only reason why he got punished this time was because of the severe community backlash. Hate to burst your bubble, but I don't rage. I don't use words like Jew or faggot to insult people, either online or in real life. But their words I'm not afraid to use, because I probably haven't used them to hurt anybody since the sixth grade. My conscience is fine and clear. Guys like Destiny, idra and orb have an actual problem. And from the sounds of things, so do you.
You get a -1 for judging people. Most of my friends are good people. Some are really smart. Some I expect to have good careers in their future. Some help in charities. All, however, have raged while playing video games. Quite literally all of them. Does raging make them bad people? Probably not. These people are normal in real life. Yet in video games they rage. Congratulations for your "clear conscience." You're one of the only people I've met that states they don't rage in video games. However, I'm a different person. I like being good at games and I hate losing, even if it is at a game that I find casual. So I rage. Does that make me a bad person?
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On May 12 2013 09:39 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 09:32 Plansix wrote:On May 12 2013 09:25 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 12 2013 09:14 Wingblade wrote:On May 12 2013 08:52 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 12 2013 08:48 Cheerio wrote:On May 12 2013 07:44 Nachtwind wrote:
i think he´s right about this community oh shut up. Everywhere and always there have been people who are dumb, but it's just as dumb to judge all of the community by those few. "Few"? Those "few" DDOS streams 24/7. Those "few" got Orb fired. Those "few" got Destiny fired. Those "few" got Stephano suspended. Those "few" got IdrA fired. Those "few" are ruining careers. Those few are somehow ruining this community and ruining esports and you expect us to just ignore that? Your incredibly nieve if you are blaming a few people in the community for the mistakes that these people make. Those "few" people, didn't get them in trouble, their mistakes and stupidity did. I didn't blame the people for their mistakes. You misunderstand. I fully acknowledge that they made mistakes. However, humans make mistakes all the time. In the case of Orb, he raged. Simple. His comments in the rage were controversial but he didn't mean any of it. Everyone rages. Don't act like you don't rage unless you're like uber casual. In the case of Destiny, he was an idiot and a douchebag. But he didn't deserve to be fired for it. It was personal matter that should've have been settled privately. Instead, one party decided to reveal the mistake to the public and for some reason the public felt attached to it even though the matter was not only supposed to be private but also none of ANYONE'S BUSINESS. In the case of Stephano, his comments were absolutely deplorable. But they were a joke. I many times have made the occasional, homosexual or pedophilia joke with my friends. Maybe I'm weird. I don't know, but does that make me a bad person that needs to be punished? No. We're humans. Those players are all humans. Stop acting like they need to be more than human beings just because of their celebrity status. They're professional VIDEO GAMERS. We're playing games here. We're not running countries. We're not saving lives. We're playing GAMES. Yeah, I don't think you understand how the professional world works. If you think that anything that you listed would not go unnoticed or not result in some sort firing, you incorrect. Video games or not, the things that took place don't have any place in public professional world. If you don't think that the players, casters and others should be held that standard, the sponsors and people with the money disagree. Also, fact check. Orb was fired, but it took place because of past comments. I would be fired for my job for the same thing if someone that up. Destany was never fired and left teams of his own will rather than attract drama to them. Stephano was suspended, which is exactly what would happen to a professional sports player if they acted that way. Well I don't know if that's true about the Orb incident but I do remember it was also because of some anti-semetic rage. Oh yeah I remember Destiny "parted ways" with ROOT because ROOT was being pressured by sponsors to fire him. That makes so much of a difference. /sarcasm Stephano wouldn't have been fired. A few months ago, I saw a comment from J.R. Smith, 20-something year old basketball player for the New York Knicks, talk about having sex with a teenager. He did not get punished whatsoever.
So what is your point? A basket ball player got lucky and didn't get in trouble? That players said things that offended people and those people took the time to email sponsors? Guess what, that happens in all the time in other professions that have a public element. There is an easy way to avoid it.
Don't say offensive things.
I don't know why you are shocked that sponsors don't want to be associated with anti-semetic comments or people with a track record like Destiny? Or why having people like that working with you could be a liability and PR nightmare? You really believe that there is this tiny group of people emailing sponsors are the only reason for the things you listed above?
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On May 12 2013 09:45 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 09:40 TheExile19 wrote:On May 12 2013 09:35 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 12 2013 09:33 pmp10 wrote:On May 12 2013 09:25 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
We're humans. Those players are all humans. Stop acting like they need to be more than human beings just because of their celebrity status. They're professional VIDEO GAMERS. We're playing games here. We're not running countries. We're not saving lives. We're playing GAMES. Sorry but the moment you start accepting sponsor money you agree to certain obligations. E-sports and video-games are not disconnected from the rest of society. Some of us can sympathize with things like 'harassment in fighting-games is ok' but the rest of the world where your sponsors operate will not. But you keep forgetting the ONLY reason why sponsors would ever consider firing or removing people from their organizations is if the public got pissed off. Sponsors wouldn't just randomly fire someone because of a questionable incident. The fact that those "few white knights" spammed their sponsors got the ball rolling. Result: People were axed. yeah, why would sponsors have moral standards and/or do their own research into what their players have done? it's all white knighting! this thread, man Moral standards? You're acting like sponsors would refuse money for the sake of morals. It's all about publicity and image.
uh, plenty of sponsors refuse or don't even consider e-sports and a huge argument for their ignorance is that gaming is still perceived as a fairly immature competitive medium. the sponsors themselves don't have to be tossing and turning at night over something insensitive that a destiny or an idra might say, but the point of referring to sponsors as the turning point in e-sports arguments is that e-sports still isn't a fixed entity like other sports, and bullshit like this only makes the scene riskier to invest in because of potential pushback against a new form of entertainment that is only made riskier by influential figures repping the scene like your stereotypical young white male shut-in.
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