On May 11 2013 05:24 sPSalai wrote: I totally agree with Idra if I where Idra, (only that I wouldnt say it out in public)
The community, even mr bitter for example flamed Idra, most ppl have flamed him lately, I would if I was Idra feel uther hate against all the abusers and bullies out there, even tho I was one aswell...but it would make me depressed having all that shit said about me everywhere...like ppl say here "finally he got what he deserved" etc. Just think about it for a sec, what Idra would feel when reading that? And for him to hate the community is just as Eminim hates his fans, they still love him, and so does the sc2 fans of IDra, even tho Idra hates them, he also loves them, but he got issues explaining feelings, like most americans. Hate is so common in america. So I understand Idra, and I understand the teams choice aswell, Idra would have just had to be a bit nicer and ppl would stop all the hate against him, and everything for him especially would be better...its Karma...you get what you send out there, if you hate, you get hate back. If you love you really feel great with all the warmth ppl send you. So I hope Idra learn from this and grows up, this isnt him, its just him being depressed and hate is the most comfortable feeling to use when being depressed to cover the depression with. It feels true in a sence then.
But anyway, it would be awesome to see Idra make a comeback as a solo player or in a B team, winning a major or such, and then send out some nasty shit about EGs decition.
You're generalizing and stereotyping. "Most people" who watch Starcraft have nothing to do with the drama, are not heavily invested in Idra, and don't want to be called a "fuck" or a "sheep" by someone they are rooting for. If Idra had "called out" the select minority of trolls and rude individuals making things difficult on him, no one would have cared. But he went after his meat-and-potatoes audience.
This business isn't just catering to 12-year-olds anymore. It's an actual industry with real money to be made and a big, legitimate viewership. Consequently, companies like EG have to make big-boy, big-balls decisions that consider their long-term well being. The key message here is that Insulting the casual, adult-viewership (many of whom have disposable income) is not going to be a viable way of conducting business in this industry. The lines are drawn.
I dont generlise, or stereotype, just saying that the guy is depressed and most ppl where against him, just like you. He became that monster that the community made him, he wasnt this bad in the beginning, I can understand the teams choice, but I would love to see him come back and be a really good player and mature mentally.
And about Idras fame, it is even written about idra leaving EG in swedish biggest massmedia paper, "aftonbladet" He is a huge sc2 player world wide, and the sport need one bad ass rude idiot. And he used that image perfect, even tho he isnt like that at all irl, and that is just what ppl say that have met him, even dreamhack organiser said Idra was one really nice guy
You don't generalize or stereotype, then you state that "most people are against Idra, like you". . . Lol. It's hard not to laugh at this bud.
Because I'm not "against" Idra. It does not make me happy to see Idra without a job, nor do I have any desire to dance on his grave. The guy screwed up - he got fired for his behavior and I think it was the correct decision for EG to fire him. That's doesn't equate to me exacting pleasure from the event. Sure, it's enjoyable to shoot down outlandish, non-sensical posters who try and justify Idra's statement or attack EG, but that's just because it's so incredibly easy to do so and some of us get a laugh out of it.
And no, just no. . . The sport doesn't "need" any badass rude idiots. It's also questionable when you say that Idra isn't "like this" in real life. I think the consensus in the community thus far is that Idra is who he is - there's no personae or mask hiding the "true, sweetheart" Idra. The guy has problems, clearly. We can only hope that he seeks help and returns to the sport with some integrity.
You dont know what the words mean, most ppl DO dislike Idra, thats a fact, just reading the comments, and since I have been following the game I have noticed the hate against him, you have missed that, and most other things i ASUME, you see, I asume, not generlize, its pathetic when 12year olds think they know stuff But anyway, Idra will come back, that was what I was writing about, but you seem to find other things to comment, and that is if anything very laughable...haters never stop hate, you are one of those, you totally missed my message and started amateur psyco analysis haha, well you made me laugh at least, so thank you for that.
On May 11 2013 05:24 sPSalai wrote: I totally agree with Idra if I where Idra, (only that I wouldnt say it out in public)
The community, even mr bitter for example flamed Idra, most ppl have flamed him lately, I would if I was Idra feel uther hate against all the abusers and bullies out there, even tho I was one aswell...but it would make me depressed having all that shit said about me everywhere...like ppl say here "finally he got what he deserved" etc. Just think about it for a sec, what Idra would feel when reading that? And for him to hate the community is just as Eminim hates his fans, they still love him, and so does the sc2 fans of IDra, even tho Idra hates them, he also loves them, but he got issues explaining feelings, like most americans. Hate is so common in america. So I understand Idra, and I understand the teams choice aswell, Idra would have just had to be a bit nicer and ppl would stop all the hate against him, and everything for him especially would be better...its Karma...you get what you send out there, if you hate, you get hate back. If you love you really feel great with all the warmth ppl send you. So I hope Idra learn from this and grows up, this isnt him, its just him being depressed and hate is the most comfortable feeling to use when being depressed to cover the depression with. It feels true in a sence then.
But anyway, it would be awesome to see Idra make a comeback as a solo player or in a B team, winning a major or such, and then send out some nasty shit about EGs decition.
You're generalizing and stereotyping. "Most people" who watch Starcraft have nothing to do with the drama, are not heavily invested in Idra, and don't want to be called a "fuck" or a "sheep" by someone they are rooting for. If Idra had "called out" the select minority of trolls and rude individuals making things difficult on him, no one would have cared. But he went after his meat-and-potatoes audience.
This business isn't just catering to 12-year-olds anymore. It's an actual industry with real money to be made and a big, legitimate viewership. Consequently, companies like EG have to make big-boy, big-balls decisions that consider their long-term well being. The key message here is that Insulting the casual, adult-viewership (many of whom have disposable income) is not going to be a viable way of conducting business in this industry. The lines are drawn.
I dont generlise, or stereotype, just saying that the guy is depressed and most ppl where against him, just like you. He became that monster that the community made him, he wasnt this bad in the beginning, I can understand the teams choice, but I would love to see him come back and be a really good player and mature mentally.
And about Idras fame, it is even written about idra leaving EG in swedish biggest massmedia paper, "aftonbladet" He is a huge sc2 player world wide, and the sport need one bad ass rude idiot. And he used that image perfect, even tho he isnt like that at all irl, and that is just what ppl say that have met him, even dreamhack organiser said Idra was one really nice guy
I'm sorry but Idra has always been really badmannered, even back when he was a nobody.
On May 11 2013 05:24 sPSalai wrote: I totally agree with Idra if I where Idra, (only that I wouldnt say it out in public)
The community, even mr bitter for example flamed Idra, most ppl have flamed him lately, I would if I was Idra feel uther hate against all the abusers and bullies out there, even tho I was one aswell...but it would make me depressed having all that shit said about me everywhere...like ppl say here "finally he got what he deserved" etc. Just think about it for a sec, what Idra would feel when reading that? And for him to hate the community is just as Eminim hates his fans, they still love him, and so does the sc2 fans of IDra, even tho Idra hates them, he also loves them, but he got issues explaining feelings, like most americans. Hate is so common in america. So I understand Idra, and I understand the teams choice aswell, Idra would have just had to be a bit nicer and ppl would stop all the hate against him, and everything for him especially would be better...its Karma...you get what you send out there, if you hate, you get hate back. If you love you really feel great with all the warmth ppl send you. So I hope Idra learn from this and grows up, this isnt him, its just him being depressed and hate is the most comfortable feeling to use when being depressed to cover the depression with. It feels true in a sence then.
But anyway, it would be awesome to see Idra make a comeback as a solo player or in a B team, winning a major or such, and then send out some nasty shit about EGs decition.
You're generalizing and stereotyping. "Most people" who watch Starcraft have nothing to do with the drama, are not heavily invested in Idra, and don't want to be called a "fuck" or a "sheep" by someone they are rooting for. If Idra had "called out" the select minority of trolls and rude individuals making things difficult on him, no one would have cared. But he went after his meat-and-potatoes audience.
This business isn't just catering to 12-year-olds anymore. It's an actual industry with real money to be made and a big, legitimate viewership. Consequently, companies like EG have to make big-boy, big-balls decisions that consider their long-term well being. The key message here is that Insulting the casual, adult-viewership (many of whom have disposable income) is not going to be a viable way of conducting business in this industry. The lines are drawn.
I dont generlise, or stereotype, just saying that the guy is depressed and most ppl where against him, just like you. He became that monster that the community made him, he wasnt this bad in the beginning, I can understand the teams choice, but I would love to see him come back and be a really good player and mature mentally.
And about Idras fame, it is even written about idra leaving EG in swedish biggest massmedia paper, "aftonbladet" He is a huge sc2 player world wide, and the sport need one bad ass rude idiot. And he used that image perfect, even tho he isnt like that at all irl, and that is just what ppl say that have met him, even dreamhack organiser said Idra was one really nice guy
You don't generalize or stereotype, then you state that "most people are against Idra, like you". . . Lol. It's hard not to laugh at this bud.
Because I'm not "against" Idra. It does not make me happy to see Idra without a job, nor do I have any desire to dance on his grave. The guy screwed up - he got fired for his behavior and I think it was the correct decision for EG to fire him. That's doesn't equate to me exacting pleasure from the event. Sure, it's enjoyable to shoot down outlandish, non-sensical posters who try and justify Idra's statement or attack EG, but that's just because it's so incredibly easy to do so and some of us get a laugh out of it.
And no, just no. . . The sport doesn't "need" any badass rude idiots. It's also questionable when you say that Idra isn't "like this" in real life. I think the consensus in the community thus far is that Idra is who he is - there's no personae or mask hiding the "true, sweetheart" Idra. The guy has problems, clearly. We can only hope that he seeks help and returns to the sport with some integrity.
You dont know what the words mean, most ppl DO dislike Idra, thats a fact, just reading the comments, and since I have been following the game I have noticed the hate against him, you have missed that, and most other things i ASUME, you see, I asume, not generlize, its pathetic when 12year olds think they know stuff But anyway, Idra will come back, that was what I was writing about, but you seem to find other things to comment, and that is if anything very laughable...haters never stop hate, you are one of those, you totally missed my message and started amateur psyco analysis haha, well you made me laugh at least, so thank you for that.
I'm having trouble following you, but then I just found the following quote (as seen below) from you and realized that you must not be all "there" in the head . . .
I would if I was Idra feel uther hate against all the abusers and bullies out there, even tho I was one aswell.
You're saying that you were one of the minority of trolls/assholes that always gave Idra a hard time, abusing and bullying him, and that now you regret it and wish him the best? Am I reading this correctly? Lol . . .
And better yet, you're trying to assert that your personal behavior towards idea is a wide-spread phenomena throughout the community - that we all "hate" Idra and we're abusing & bullying him? o.O
On May 11 2013 05:24 sPSalai wrote: I totally agree with Idra if I where Idra, (only that I wouldnt say it out in public)
The community, even mr bitter for example flamed Idra, most ppl have flamed him lately, I would if I was Idra feel uther hate against all the abusers and bullies out there, even tho I was one aswell...but it would make me depressed having all that shit said about me everywhere...like ppl say here "finally he got what he deserved" etc. Just think about it for a sec, what Idra would feel when reading that? And for him to hate the community is just as Eminim hates his fans, they still love him, and so does the sc2 fans of IDra, even tho Idra hates them, he also loves them, but he got issues explaining feelings, like most americans. Hate is so common in america. So I understand Idra, and I understand the teams choice aswell, Idra would have just had to be a bit nicer and ppl would stop all the hate against him, and everything for him especially would be better...its Karma...you get what you send out there, if you hate, you get hate back. If you love you really feel great with all the warmth ppl send you. So I hope Idra learn from this and grows up, this isnt him, its just him being depressed and hate is the most comfortable feeling to use when being depressed to cover the depression with. It feels true in a sence then.
But anyway, it would be awesome to see Idra make a comeback as a solo player or in a B team, winning a major or such, and then send out some nasty shit about EGs decition.
You're generalizing and stereotyping. "Most people" who watch Starcraft have nothing to do with the drama, are not heavily invested in Idra, and don't want to be called a "fuck" or a "sheep" by someone they are rooting for. If Idra had "called out" the select minority of trolls and rude individuals making things difficult on him, no one would have cared. But he went after his meat-and-potatoes audience.
This business isn't just catering to 12-year-olds anymore. It's an actual industry with real money to be made and a big, legitimate viewership. Consequently, companies like EG have to make big-boy, big-balls decisions that consider their long-term well being. The key message here is that Insulting the casual, adult-viewership (many of whom have disposable income) is not going to be a viable way of conducting business in this industry. The lines are drawn.
I dont generlise, or stereotype, just saying that the guy is depressed and most ppl where against him, just like you. He became that monster that the community made him, he wasnt this bad in the beginning, I can understand the teams choice, but I would love to see him come back and be a really good player and mature mentally.
And about Idras fame, it is even written about idra leaving EG in swedish biggest massmedia paper, "aftonbladet" He is a huge sc2 player world wide, and the sport need one bad ass rude idiot. And he used that image perfect, even tho he isnt like that at all irl, and that is just what ppl say that have met him, even dreamhack organiser said Idra was one really nice guy
You don't generalize or stereotype, then you state that "most people are against Idra, like you". . . Lol. It's hard not to laugh at this bud.
Because I'm not "against" Idra. It does not make me happy to see Idra without a job, nor do I have any desire to dance on his grave. The guy screwed up - he got fired for his behavior and I think it was the correct decision for EG to fire him. That's doesn't equate to me exacting pleasure from the event. Sure, it's enjoyable to shoot down outlandish, non-sensical posters who try and justify Idra's statement or attack EG, but that's just because it's so incredibly easy to do so and some of us get a laugh out of it.
And no, just no. . . The sport doesn't "need" any badass rude idiots. It's also questionable when you say that Idra isn't "like this" in real life. I think the consensus in the community thus far is that Idra is who he is - there's no personae or mask hiding the "true, sweetheart" Idra. The guy has problems, clearly. We can only hope that he seeks help and returns to the sport with some integrity.
You dont know what the words mean, most ppl DO dislike Idra, thats a fact, just reading the comments, and since I have been following the game I have noticed the hate against him, you have missed that, and most other things i ASUME, you see, I asume, not generlize, its pathetic when 12year olds think they know stuff But anyway, Idra will come back, that was what I was writing about, but you seem to find other things to comment, and that is if anything very laughable...haters never stop hate, you are one of those, you totally missed my message and started amateur psyco analysis haha, well you made me laugh at least, so thank you for that.
He is more correct than you. Why is a grown man even responding to "flames" over the internet by 12year olds?
Make an IIIIIIIII acount, play your games and be done with it. Don't talk or rage at a community that doesn't like you. Why are you even reading treads about you, Mr. Fields? Looking for some love?
Fun thing is: Your fans seem to identify with you, because they have the same problems.
On May 11 2013 05:20 IPA wrote: Is there a VOD of his most recent ragequit(s) from WCS?
Yes, here it is
28:25 to be exact, IdrA left with 5 working bases, 200/200 army of ultras/broods/infestors and 3.2k minerals, 3.2k gas.
To be fair, he had 1 Broodlord at half health and some people that's enough for a gg.
Jesus, around the 19-20 minute mark in the youtube video, Rotterdam correctly predicts that IdrA would leave the game with 3k/3k banked! o.O That man is a prophet!
28:25 to be exact, IdrA left with 5 working bases, 200/200 army of ultras/broods/infestors and 3.2k minerals, 3.2k gas.
To be fair, he had 1 Broodlord at half health and some people that's enough for a gg.
Jesus, around the 19-20 minute mark in the youtube video, Rotterdam correctly predicts that IdrA would leave the game with 3k/3k banked! o.O That man is a prophet!
You are probably right about his behavior and his professionalism - this is also the reason why I'm not a fan of him.
But the first thought in my mind after reading this news was that EG took the opportunity to get rid of Idra. This is of course pure speculation from myself but he got probably as much salary as their hole Korean Proleauge-Linup with exception of JD and Idra's level and his popularity and therefore his worth for EG slowly faded away through the last year. (just look at tournament results and stream numbers) I'm pretty sure if he would still be on top of his career EG would never released him for this stuff.
This isn't an unreasonable speculation, but I think it's highly improbable.
EG doesn't have a business model that is strictly related to skill-base - they also invest in strong personalities that get exposure (i.e Geoff. "Incontrol" Robinson). Idra, though quite the opposite of Incontrol with regards to his professionalism and personality, still was able to be marketed as a "tough" guy / "badass nerd".
That image of Idra, however, is severely damaged when he openly taunted and insulted his entire viewership and customer-base. To think that Idra's viewership only consisted of die-hard fans or trolls is ridiculous - it was mostly a casual audience that wasn't heavily invested in Idra, but had disposable income and enjoyed being part of the e-sports scene. He literally told those people, who have nothing to do with any drama or anything, really, that they were all "fucks" and "sheep".
When you say something like that to your customers, it's unrecoverable. I'll reiterate that it's like owning a bakery, and every time a customer walks in you say: "You're a fat fuck, can't believe you actually buy my pastries HAHA". . . regardless of who the customer is.
Except that people are fans of comedians who do nothing but insult them. I just think there has to be more going on that we don't know about for them to release IdrA. For all the "HE WAS MEAN TO HIS FANS!!!" going on in this thread people sure ate it up for several years. There's something else going on here that...really I don't care about. I just hope IdrA can remake his image into something marketable and get picked up again or find another career. Being unemployed sucks balls.
Lol really? You're equating Idra's behavior to a comedy routine - a form of entertainment where someone makes a joke that sometimes involves the audience? Comedian's of all people know how fickle a crowd can be - it takes some serious skill to get away with insulting the audience even as a joke, much less being absolutely serious as Idra was.
You're forgetting that Idra didn't just call his entire audience "a bunch of fucks", he went a step further and actually stated that EG endorses his attacks and that he is making money every time he exhibits abusive behavior towards anyone, including innocent bystanders.
Trust me man, if someone is being told they are a stupid, fat "fuck" and a "sheep" after entering a bakery to buy a pastry, do you really think they are going to continue patronizing that business? Anyone who thinks that they can retain customers this way is out of touch with reality and the target audience of companies like EG.
Honestly, if someone told me that when I walked into their bakery, I'd find it pretty humorous and buy my pastries anyway. Surprising character to find in a bakery, ya know? Spices things up.
Also, we aren't really sure if Idra was 100% serious or just making a sarcastic remark with some truth in it.
I think you're out of touch. Most people wouldn't find it funny and wouldn't continue to buy products. Idra knew how serious his post was - someone as tactically affluent as he could not possibly have been ignorant of the consequences. He knew what he was saying and he stood by his statement by not making any attempt to clarify it.
Obviously most people wouldn't react that way.......
But why would he clarify it? He really didn't seem to care that much in the first place, haha. He probably would have been in a much better position if he did, but that clearly was not a huge concern to him.
Alex already clarified it for him. He DOESN't get paid to do it, lol.
Funny, cause he actually did get paid to do it for 3 years. His only mistake was explaining it to the audience who were too dumb to get it.
The community itself created this monster, by choosing what type of players to watch. HyuN can stream with sub 500 viewers while destiny and dragon have 5000, playing the same game. IdrA gave people what they wanted, even though they didn't understand it themselves.
DeMusliM isn't a dick, yet he gets the highest viewer count. White-ra, should I go on? People need to think more and talk less like sheep.
Also, you think people are more stupid than they are. Thanks.
On May 11 2013 04:41 quirinus wrote: The gap back then was WAY WAY WAY higher. Any dish-washing B teamer or even just a lowly practice partner of any pro team (they aren't even on the team) would stomp 99.9% of ANY foreigner back then (Nony got close to beating some in Courage, at his prime). Compared to that, Idra took games off Stork and did good in the inside team tournaments. Which is ridiculous considering the language barrier.
Nony came within the final game of WINNING Courage, and even then only lost 2-1 in the final match. Idra never got that far.
He also beat Idra to win the TSL2.
I remember a video interview with someone (was it Hwanni?) before SC2 came out where Artosis asked him if he thought Idra was the best foreign Starcraft player, and he said no, he thought Nony was a more creative and overall better player. I thought that was interesting.
Nony obviously wasn't as successful as Idra at SC2, but that was only because he got hit with crippling depression. Even so, Nony still has a better attitude towards the game than Idra to this day.
Yes, he almost won a courage, and lost to the only one of the two (if I remember correctly) practice partners that were there. So my statement is correct. Not to mention the previous courages he lost.
Idra was stronger than Nony. Being on the B team of CJ is a lot harder than being on Estro... not to mention all the tournament wins. So Idra lost one time to Nony, big deal, he was still stronger than him. 2 of the wins were retarded anyway, I'm pretty sure if they had a few matches Idra would come on top.
I agree Nony is good and had a lot of potential, I really like the guy and I'm sad he didn't achieve it, but because of that we can't know if he'd be a match for Idra, and so Idra is the uncontested number one.
You don't need to be a dick, I never said that and I don't know where you got it from, but you need to have a special personality trait or do shit that has nothing to do with the game. In IdrAs case it was being the angry guy who bms. We have several more players who have taken this approach, although not as extreme.
Demuslim getting 10k viewers or Whitera getting any viewers at all (he wouldn't even beat idra in a bo5) while Top end Code S players get below 1k is just a proof of what I just said. Demuslim might become tournament winning material soon, but so far his biggest achievement is being the 4th best player in the UK and taking #1 on NA GM ladder.
28:25 to be exact, IdrA left with 5 working bases, 200/200 army of ultras/broods/infestors and 3.2k minerals, 3.2k gas.
To be fair, he had 1 Broodlord at half health and some people that's enough for a gg.
Jesus, around the 19-20 minute mark in the youtube video, Rotterdam correctly predicts that IdrA would leave the game with 3k/3k banked! o.O That man is a prophet!
On May 11 2013 05:24 sPSalai wrote: I totally agree with Idra if I where Idra, (only that I wouldnt say it out in public)
The community, even mr bitter for example flamed Idra, most ppl have flamed him lately, I would if I was Idra feel uther hate against all the abusers and bullies out there, even tho I was one aswell...but it would make me depressed having all that shit said about me everywhere...like ppl say here "finally he got what he deserved" etc. Just think about it for a sec, what Idra would feel when reading that? And for him to hate the community is just as Eminim hates his fans, they still love him, and so does the sc2 fans of IDra, even tho Idra hates them, he also loves them, but he got issues explaining feelings, like most americans. Hate is so common in america. So I understand Idra, and I understand the teams choice aswell, Idra would have just had to be a bit nicer and ppl would stop all the hate against him, and everything for him especially would be better...its Karma...you get what you send out there, if you hate, you get hate back. If you love you really feel great with all the warmth ppl send you. So I hope Idra learn from this and grows up, this isnt him, its just him being depressed and hate is the most comfortable feeling to use when being depressed to cover the depression with. It feels true in a sence then.
But anyway, it would be awesome to see Idra make a comeback as a solo player or in a B team, winning a major or such, and then send out some nasty shit about EGs decition.
You're generalizing and stereotyping. "Most people" who watch Starcraft have nothing to do with the drama, are not heavily invested in Idra, and don't want to be called a "fuck" or a "sheep" by someone they are rooting for. If Idra had "called out" the select minority of trolls and rude individuals making things difficult on him, no one would have cared. But he went after his meat-and-potatoes audience.
This business isn't just catering to 12-year-olds anymore. It's an actual industry with real money to be made and a big, legitimate viewership. Consequently, companies like EG have to make big-boy, big-balls decisions that consider their long-term well being. The key message here is that Insulting the casual, adult-viewership (many of whom have disposable income) is not going to be a viable way of conducting business in this industry. The lines are drawn.
I dont generlise, or stereotype, just saying that the guy is depressed and most ppl where against him, just like you. He became that monster that the community made him, he wasnt this bad in the beginning, I can understand the teams choice, but I would love to see him come back and be a really good player and mature mentally.
And about Idras fame, it is even written about idra leaving EG in swedish biggest massmedia paper, "aftonbladet" He is a huge sc2 player world wide, and the sport need one bad ass rude idiot. And he used that image perfect, even tho he isnt like that at all irl, and that is just what ppl say that have met him, even dreamhack organiser said Idra was one really nice guy
You don't generalize or stereotype, then you state that "most people are against Idra, like you". . . Lol. It's hard not to laugh at this bud.
Because I'm not "against" Idra. It does not make me happy to see Idra without a job, nor do I have any desire to dance on his grave. The guy screwed up - he got fired for his behavior and I think it was the correct decision for EG to fire him. That's doesn't equate to me exacting pleasure from the event. Sure, it's enjoyable to shoot down outlandish, non-sensical posters who try and justify Idra's statement or attack EG, but that's just because it's so incredibly easy to do so and some of us get a laugh out of it.
And no, just no. . . The sport doesn't "need" any badass rude idiots. It's also questionable when you say that Idra isn't "like this" in real life. I think the consensus in the community thus far is that Idra is who he is - there's no personae or mask hiding the "true, sweetheart" Idra. The guy has problems, clearly. We can only hope that he seeks help and returns to the sport with some integrity.
You dont know what the words mean, most ppl DO dislike Idra, thats a fact, just reading the comments, and since I have been following the game I have noticed the hate against him, you have missed that, and most other things i ASUME, you see, I asume, not generlize, its pathetic when 12year olds think they know stuff But anyway, Idra will come back, that was what I was writing about, but you seem to find other things to comment, and that is if anything very laughable...haters never stop hate, you are one of those, you totally missed my message and started amateur psyco analysis haha, well you made me laugh at least, so thank you for that.
He is more correct than you. Why is a grown man even responding to "flames" over the internet by 12year olds?
Make an IIIIIIIII acount, play your games and be done with it. Don't talk or rage at a community that doesn't like you. Why are you even reading treads about you, Mr. Fields? Looking for some love?
Fun thing is: Your fans seem to identify with you, because they have the same problems.
I dont even follow Idra, I do not like what he said against the hole community...and the only players I really follow hardcore is Sase and Naniwa, but mostly Naniwa, love his creativity, and I just dislike zerg, to watch and to play. You see...small minds always think ppl are fans because they comment a tread about the person, in this case Idra...I dont care about him, I just said that I understand his behaviour when ppl are assholes like most of you are, totally detached from how it would feel for him when thousands of ppl everyday flame him, hate him and say bad stuff, even tho Idra himself does this all the time, it for sure is more personal when ppl talk to him directly contra him saying ppl are idiots for example, its not personal to anyone, its just a fair feeling for him to have when ppl treat him so bad...even tho he was the creator of all this. Can you see what Im saying...or is this to complex aswell and made for another missunderstanding by you haters?
Next team Idra playes with, he will have to matured, and he will respect ppl better, Im sure...and he will also start to win more then, if he send out more love he will get more love back...he created his own destruction in gaming and in the team EG. Having said that, he still has a fair reason feeling as he does when ppl are so hateful against him and say shit like "he deserves this etc" just imagine that feeling for 1 person to read such things from 10k ppl in a week, spamed on twiitter, facebook, hate everywhere...no one can keep ones sanity in such enviroment. But ofcourse none of you seem to get that.
28:25 to be exact, IdrA left with 5 working bases, 200/200 army of ultras/broods/infestors and 3.2k minerals, 3.2k gas.
To be fair, he had 1 Broodlord at half health and some people that's enough for a gg.
Jesus, around the 19-20 minute mark in the youtube video, Rotterdam correctly predicts that IdrA would leave the game with 3k/3k banked! o.O That man is a prophet!
i think it was a joke than a prediction... totally happened a few minutes after that joke though..
can any of you even imagine what it is to be the OWNER of a team and watch your player literally give up and quit trying with way more than a fighting chance in what is probably one of the biggest sc2 tournaments to date....let alone just being a fan or casual viewer. must be incredibly frustrating, especially when it seemed like idra could def take the game, especially when you put so much effort and investment into improving that player's mindset. there comes a time when it is not worth the trouble and letting that person go will be better for both parties. that was that time, easily.
On May 11 2013 05:24 sPSalai wrote: I totally agree with Idra if I where Idra, (only that I wouldnt say it out in public)
The community, even mr bitter for example flamed Idra, most ppl have flamed him lately, I would if I was Idra feel uther hate against all the abusers and bullies out there, even tho I was one aswell...but it would make me depressed having all that shit said about me everywhere...like ppl say here "finally he got what he deserved" etc. Just think about it for a sec, what Idra would feel when reading that? And for him to hate the community is just as Eminim hates his fans, they still love him, and so does the sc2 fans of IDra, even tho Idra hates them, he also loves them, but he got issues explaining feelings, like most americans. Hate is so common in america. So I understand Idra, and I understand the teams choice aswell, Idra would have just had to be a bit nicer and ppl would stop all the hate against him, and everything for him especially would be better...its Karma...you get what you send out there, if you hate, you get hate back. If you love you really feel great with all the warmth ppl send you. So I hope Idra learn from this and grows up, this isnt him, its just him being depressed and hate is the most comfortable feeling to use when being depressed to cover the depression with. It feels true in a sence then.
But anyway, it would be awesome to see Idra make a comeback as a solo player or in a B team, winning a major or such, and then send out some nasty shit about EGs decition.
You're generalizing and stereotyping. "Most people" who watch Starcraft have nothing to do with the drama, are not heavily invested in Idra, and don't want to be called a "fuck" or a "sheep" by someone they are rooting for. If Idra had "called out" the select minority of trolls and rude individuals making things difficult on him, no one would have cared. But he went after his meat-and-potatoes audience.
This business isn't just catering to 12-year-olds anymore. It's an actual industry with real money to be made and a big, legitimate viewership. Consequently, companies like EG have to make big-boy, big-balls decisions that consider their long-term well being. The key message here is that Insulting the casual, adult-viewership (many of whom have disposable income) is not going to be a viable way of conducting business in this industry. The lines are drawn.
I dont generlise, or stereotype, just saying that the guy is depressed and most ppl where against him, just like you. He became that monster that the community made him, he wasnt this bad in the beginning, I can understand the teams choice, but I would love to see him come back and be a really good player and mature mentally.
And about Idras fame, it is even written about idra leaving EG in swedish biggest massmedia paper, "aftonbladet" He is a huge sc2 player world wide, and the sport need one bad ass rude idiot. And he used that image perfect, even tho he isnt like that at all irl, and that is just what ppl say that have met him, even dreamhack organiser said Idra was one really nice guy
You don't generalize or stereotype, then you state that "most people are against Idra, like you". . . Lol. It's hard not to laugh at this bud.
Because I'm not "against" Idra. It does not make me happy to see Idra without a job, nor do I have any desire to dance on his grave. The guy screwed up - he got fired for his behavior and I think it was the correct decision for EG to fire him. That's doesn't equate to me exacting pleasure from the event. Sure, it's enjoyable to shoot down outlandish, non-sensical posters who try and justify Idra's statement or attack EG, but that's just because it's so incredibly easy to do so and some of us get a laugh out of it.
And no, just no. . . The sport doesn't "need" any badass rude idiots. It's also questionable when you say that Idra isn't "like this" in real life. I think the consensus in the community thus far is that Idra is who he is - there's no personae or mask hiding the "true, sweetheart" Idra. The guy has problems, clearly. We can only hope that he seeks help and returns to the sport with some integrity.
You dont know what the words mean, most ppl DO dislike Idra, thats a fact, just reading the comments, and since I have been following the game I have noticed the hate against him, you have missed that, and most other things i ASUME, you see, I asume, not generlize, its pathetic when 12year olds think they know stuff But anyway, Idra will come back, that was what I was writing about, but you seem to find other things to comment, and that is if anything very laughable...haters never stop hate, you are one of those, you totally missed my message and started amateur psyco analysis haha, well you made me laugh at least, so thank you for that.
He is more correct than you. Why is a grown man even responding to "flames" over the internet by 12year olds?
Make an IIIIIIIII acount, play your games and be done with it. Don't talk or rage at a community that doesn't like you. Why are you even reading treads about you, Mr. Fields? Looking for some love?
Fun thing is: Your fans seem to identify with you, because they have the same problems.
I dont even follow Idra, I do not like what he said against the hole community...and the only players I really follow hardcore is Sase and Naniwa, but mostly Naniwa, love his creativity, and I just dislike zerg, to watch and to play. You see...small minds always think ppl are fans because they comment a tread about the person, in this case Idra...I dont care about him, I just said that I understand his behaviour when ppl are assholes like most of you are, totally detached from how it would feel for him when thousands of ppl everyday flame him, hate him and say bad stuff, even tho Idra himself does this all the time, it for sure is more personal when ppl talk to him directly contra him saying ppl are idiots for example, its not personal to anyone, its just a fair feeling for him to have when ppl treat him so bad...even tho he was the creator of all this. Can you see what Im saying...or is this to complex aswell and made for another missunderstanding by you haters?
Next team Idra playes with, he will have to matured, and he will respect ppl better, Im sure...and he will also start to win more then, if he send out more love he will get more love back...he created his own destruction in gaming and in the team EG. Having said that, he still has a fair reason feeling as he does when ppl are so hateful against him and say shit like "he deserves this etc" just imagine that feeling for 1 person to read such things from 10k ppl in a week, spamed on twiitter, facebook, hate everywhere...no one can keep ones sanity in such enviroment. But ofcourse none of you seem to get that.
Odd & Funny things that you've stated in your post:
- ppl are assholes like most of you are - you don't know most any of us personally, and people flaming Idra are in the minority
- Idra...I dont care about him- you seem rather invested in justifying his behavior
- thousands of ppl everyday flame him- lol get real man
- Next team Idra playes with, he will have to matured, and he will respect ppl better - again, speculation. You can't possibly know this . . . none of us do.
- just imagine that feeling for 1 person to read such things from 10k ppl in a week, spamed on twiitter - You really think that Idra's has 10,000 people spamming him on Twitter every week. . .
- no one can keep ones sanity in such enviroment - Yes, I'm sure that "no one" could keep their sanity with people trolling stream-chat. It would literally drive anyone insane. o.0.
What I dont get is why athletes/celebs can behave poorly in public/towards the community yet progamers cannot. I can understand releasing him due to poor performance(i don't really follow sports so I dont know about his performance) but kicking him out due to behavior to me shows more of a weakness of the management of EG rather than idra because they could not control him. In classic sports to get kicked off a team or out of the sport for behaviour you have to do some terrible stuff - i.e Mike Tyson had to bite and ear off before they kicked him out of boxing, his rape beef even did nothing. Kobes rape beef also did not stop him, neighter did Vicks dog fighting involvement. Idra tells some people to fuck off and hes off the team. To me thats a little crazy.
p.s despite all Tyson is still my fav athlete.
I can't agree more. After Tiger woods incident he lost some sponsors but nike remained.
Dude.. tiger, Tyson, kobe, vick have all accomplished a lot in their respective sports. but, idra, in sc2 (don't know about bw) has done that well... and when you embarrass your company like that you will get fired. kudos to EG.
IdrA is the most accomplished foreigner.
not in sc2
Nor in BW lol, Grrr...anyone?
yea just because idra was good in 2009 to the end of bw doesn't make him the best foreigner. He was only good in BW when most of the good foreigners had quit playing. He could never compare to a guy like mondragon, draco and even nony in their prime. He was never even close to top 10 in bw.
Oh god, the ignorance.
And it depends on how you define best foreigner. Objectivity, in terms of top skill, IdrA certainly was. Draco was obviously very talented, but active more in 06-07. Skill in 09-10 was better than when Draco was active. 2006 Draco loses easily to 2009 IdrA. It's similar to saying Roger Bannister, the first guy to break 4 in the mile, is better than the current world record holder, Hicham El Guerrouj. You could make an argument about talent, but saying a 2006 player is better than one from 2009 is crazy, especially given that IdrA was playing at solid KR B-Teamer level, and was consistently taking games (though not winning series) from A teamers.
This is the kind of stuff IdrA was doing in 2009. 80% WR, with some Koreans thrown in there, is quite ridiculous.
I'd be willing to entertain an argument that IdrA wasn't the best foreign BW player of all time. Saying he wasn't the most skilled player ever to play is questionable. Saying that he wasn't even a top 10 BW player is utterly laughable, it's like one of those comments that is so outlandish the person making it has to be joking.
On May 11 2013 06:43 stratmatt wrote: can any of you even imagine what it is to be the OWNER of a team and watch your player literally give up and quit trying with way more than a fighting chance in what is probably one of the biggest sc2 tournaments to date....let alone just being a fan or casual viewer. must be incredibly frustrating, especially when it seemed like idra could def take the game, especially when you put so much effort and investment into improving that player's mindset. there comes a time when it is not worth the trouble and letting that person go will be better for both parties. that was that time, easily.
IdrA has the necessary skill to succeed. His mentality however is terrible. If he fixed that he would've been at the top easily
On May 11 2013 06:43 stratmatt wrote: can any of you even imagine what it is to be the OWNER of a team and watch your player literally give up and quit trying with way more than a fighting chance in what is probably one of the biggest sc2 tournaments to date....let alone just being a fan or casual viewer. must be incredibly frustrating, especially when it seemed like idra could def take the game, especially when you put so much effort and investment into improving that player's mindset. there comes a time when it is not worth the trouble and letting that person go will be better for both parties. that was that time, easily.
IdrA has the necessary skill to succeed. His mentality however is terrible. If he fixed that he would've been at the top easily
I'd be fine with everything idra did until he throws me under the bus and tells people I pay him to treat them that way.
On May 11 2013 06:43 stratmatt wrote: can any of you even imagine what it is to be the OWNER of a team and watch your player literally give up and quit trying with way more than a fighting chance in what is probably one of the biggest sc2 tournaments to date....let alone just being a fan or casual viewer. must be incredibly frustrating, especially when it seemed like idra could def take the game, especially when you put so much effort and investment into improving that player's mindset. there comes a time when it is not worth the trouble and letting that person go will be better for both parties. that was that time, easily.
IdrA has the necessary skill to succeed. His mentality however is terrible. If he fixed that he would've been at the top easily
Your mentality IS part of your skillset and influences everything you do from big scale things like training to just keeping your focus in the game. So he actually hasnt the necessary skillset. And changing your mentality is one of the hardest things to fix. It would be much easier if he was just mechanically bad.
EPT
But anyway, Idra will come back, that was what I was writing about, but you seem to find other things to comment, and that is if anything very laughable...haters never stop hate, you are one of those, you totally missed my message and started amateur psyco analysis haha, well you made me laugh at least, so thank you for that.
