On April 22 2013 21:13 DJFaqU wrote: Lol @ all the people saying that it's a bad move by MLG. It's the only right thing they could do.
invite noobs over wcs 2012 china winners, and then when the noobs give place to the champ dq the champ 1 game before qualifiy ? its not like comm SMURFED he played under his nick whats a "right move" on it ? shuttle got place in esl same way everyone was "ok nice he got a place haha we so lucky that went well"
no noobs were invited, someone got a spot (due to register on time), comm didn't. so he was not allowed to play. but he did, so MLG dqed him. What should they have done? "oh well, our rules don't matter anyway, get that spot?" he did break the rules and he got banned for it end of story. Not sure what there is to argue here. Doesn't change the fact that this tournament was extremely poorly planned and run, though.
Do you really try to defend their bad call? What about look at ESL 2 days earlier? If a player forfeits his spot for another then all is fine. Is not like they created a 513th place just for him. Shuttle was without a place 2 days earlier and if one guy renounced his place for him ESL was happy to let him play. That's a thoughtful call. But MLG is just so bad it seems. And it's more than just a bad luck, happened once thing. From what I understand Comm actually registered on time, but because of the 512 limit they just let him out without a place. Bullshit attitude. You have 1000 people registered make it a 1024 people bracket. 3000, well then make it 4096 bracket and so on. Specially if you will only run a SINGLE qualifier.
But but but!? This happened in ESL's WCS.eu qualifier.. The only problem I can see with this is if his opponents underestimated his skill due to him playing on an amateur account, but even so that would not be an issue if MLG had just allowed a proper amount of players to participate.
On April 22 2013 21:13 DJFaqU wrote: Lol @ all the people saying that it's a bad move by MLG. It's the only right thing they could do.
invite noobs over wcs 2012 china winners, and then when the noobs give place to the champ dq the champ 1 game before qualifiy ? its not like comm SMURFED he played under his nick whats a "right move" on it ? shuttle got place in esl same way everyone was "ok nice he got a place haha we so lucky that went well"
no noobs were invited, someone got a spot (due to register on time), comm didn't. so he was not allowed to play. but he did, so MLG dqed him. What should they have done? "oh well, our rules don't matter anyway, get that spot?" he did break the rules and he got banned for it end of story. Not sure what there is to argue here. Doesn't change the fact that this tournament was extremely poorly planned and run, though.
Players must register and use their own MLG Username in order to compete in the WCS America Season 1 Qualifying Tournament. Each Player’s registered MLG Username must contain the Player’s correct Name, Mailing Address, and Email Address.
Players must not share the information stored on their MLG Username with another person. This includes, but is not limited to the following: Passwords, Battle.net Accounts, and Email Addresses.
Players may not register for the WCS America Season 1 Qualifying Tournament with more than one MLG Username.
Individuals may not use another Player’s Battle.net Account in the WCS America Season 1 Qualifying Tournament.
All MLG Usernames are property of Major League Gaming Inc. Any advertising of, or attempts to buy, sell trade, or exchange an MLG Username, by any means, is strictly prohibited.
Breaking any of General Rules #1-5 MAY result in a Forfeit of the Game and/or disqualification from the WCS America Season 1 Qualifying Tournament.
Someone made this argument on reddit. The rules say he "may" be disqualified not that he "will" or "must" be disqualified. Thus MLG choosing not to disqualify him due to circumstance would be perfectly ok under the rules.
They might have even chosen the word may just so they could avoid situations like this with better judgement by not being bound to the letter of their rules for the many possible varied situations they do not quite fit. And by choosing not to use the judgement given to them by the rules to not disqualify they made a very poor discussion that deserves discussion and criticism by the community.
Despite all the whining about the WCS NA qualifier, I feel most wronged about hearing what happened to Comm. He played all the games for Christ sake. Additionally to have an arbitrary 512 cap on such a grandiose qualifier is nonsensical to begin with.
On April 22 2013 21:13 DJFaqU wrote: Lol @ all the people saying that it's a bad move by MLG. It's the only right thing they could do.
invite noobs over wcs 2012 china winners, and then when the noobs give place to the champ dq the champ 1 game before qualifiy ? its not like comm SMURFED he played under his nick whats a "right move" on it ? shuttle got place in esl same way everyone was "ok nice he got a place haha we so lucky that went well"
no noobs were invited, someone got a spot (due to register on time), comm didn't. so he was not allowed to play. but he did, so MLG dqed him. What should they have done? "oh well, our rules don't matter anyway, get that spot?" he did break the rules and he got banned for it end of story. Not sure what there is to argue here. Doesn't change the fact that this tournament was extremely poorly planned and run, though.
Players must register and use their own MLG Username in order to compete in the WCS America Season 1 Qualifying Tournament. Each Player’s registered MLG Username must contain the Player’s correct Name, Mailing Address, and Email Address.
Players must not share the information stored on their MLG Username with another person. This includes, but is not limited to the following: Passwords, Battle.net Accounts, and Email Addresses.
Players may not register for the WCS America Season 1 Qualifying Tournament with more than one MLG Username.
Individuals may not use another Player’s Battle.net Account in the WCS America Season 1 Qualifying Tournament.
All MLG Usernames are property of Major League Gaming Inc. Any advertising of, or attempts to buy, sell trade, or exchange an MLG Username, by any means, is strictly prohibited.
Breaking any of General Rules #1-5 MAY result in a Forfeit of the Game and/or disqualification from the WCS America Season 1 Qualifying Tournament.
Someone made this argument on reddit. The rules say he "may" be disqualified not that he "will" or "must" be disqualified. Thus MLG choosing not to disqualify him due to circumstance would be perfectly ok under the rules.
They might have even chosen the word may just so they could avoid situations like this with better judgement by not being bound to the letter of their rules for the many possible varied situations they do not quite fit. And by choosing not to use the judgement given to them by the rules to not disqualify they made a very poor discussion that deserves discussion and criticism by the community.
no. it's clearly stated that it is NOT allowed. The fact that "may" as a word was chosen is probably for the other "may"s in the text, to allow stuff like informed switching of Bnet accs if for example bnet has decided it's time to ban somone. It's highly unlikely that "may" refers to incidents as this. You can't break the rules and hope not to be punished, that's delusional. Yes this is a case of someone who should have been able to play and MLG probably knows that their system is really bad. You still are not allowed to do what you want. TBH I don't care about some chinese players I never heard of (but according to the (blind) support in the thread I assume I will hear from them again in the near future), but I care about players I like. I am really sad that Leiya wasn't able to play, I really wanted her to do well, but nobody around here seems to care about people that didn't get in and didn't try to cheat their way in after it.
On April 22 2013 23:46 Joxx wrote: Why didn't Blizzard add a WCS Sea / Oceanic for Chinese, TWese and Australians?
Because it isn't free? They have to justify what they spend their money on to their shareholders. That region just might not be ready for large scale investments yet.
On April 22 2013 23:53 JKM wrote: But but but!? This happened in ESL's WCS.eu qualifier.. The only problem I can see with this is if his opponents underestimated his skill due to him playing on an amateur account, but even so that would not be an issue if MLG had just allowed a proper amount of players to participate.
on liquipedia he was listed as comm as first as i looked so they knew who is playing ... how can peopel defend that move ? with that they have to DQ shuttel from EU too but esl is to classy for that !
On April 22 2013 20:39 Jusba wrote: I hope there will be an mlg boycot. Theres just nothing else to say at this point.
Blizzard should just kick mlg out of wcs as soon as possible.
I can't agree more. MLG admins management have been an insult to players.
I prefer a boycott to Blizzard. A pure failure since sc2 came out and this wcs 2013 announcement reach the coronation. edit: didnt know about the overlap between NA challenger and DH, Blizz is forcing to "cancel" DH...
On April 22 2013 20:39 Jusba wrote: I hope there will be an mlg boycot. Theres just nothing else to say at this point.
Blizzard should just kick mlg out of wcs as soon as possible.
I can't agree more. MLG admins management have been an insult to players.
With such mess organization, I do think NASL would be better for WCS/NA. At least, give some compotition to raise the standard. This is such a disappointing tournament.
On April 22 2013 23:53 JKM wrote: But but but!? This happened in ESL's WCS.eu qualifier.. The only problem I can see with this is if his opponents underestimated his skill due to him playing on an amateur account, but even so that would not be an issue if MLG had just allowed a proper amount of players to participate.
on liquipedia he was listed as comm as first as i looked so they knew who is playing ... how can peopel defend that move ? with that they have to DQ shuttel from EU too but esl is to classy for that !
esl is better in every means. But the DQ from MLG is simply disgusting.
You can't break the rules and hope not to be punished, that's delusional.
In that case what about this?
Results of the matches may not be shared. This means that the matches cannot be streamed, results cannot be shared on social media, or posted on community websites, etc. Failure to comply with this rule may result in disqualificiation. Players who are disqualified won’t receive any benefits (seeding, prize, etc.) for their ranking in the WCS America Season 1 Qualifying Tournament. Such Players may also be subject to a Temporary Ban from MLG’s Network of Websites and/or a Ban from a future Event(s).
Demuslim broke this rule when he shared on twitter that he lost to revival.(many other players did to I think) That means he may be disqualified which apparently means must be disqualified. If he is disqualified you agree that he forfeits his position in the challenger league that the top 40 from this qualifier are supposed to get just like comm shouldn't get a spot in after his dq?
If you believe it would be delusional for comm to not be qualified, are you willing to make a thread demanding Demuslim's official disqualification from MLG and not being put into challenger league? They both broke the rules so the only consistent position is to DQ them both right?
If not how can your position be that MLG must follow the letter of their rules for comm don't discuss this but they can chose to ignore the rules for Demuslim? If they can chose to ignore the rules for Demuslim then they could for Comm, thus DQing him was unnecessary and MLG deserves criticism for this choice.
EPT
