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On April 21 2013 05:23 CerpinTaxt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 05:21 syllogism wrote:On April 21 2013 05:20 CerpinTaxt wrote:
Oh no! A Chinese player got left out of the North American Qualifiers! This would have more merit if they had their own qualifier. WCS Korea doesn't have online qualifiers. Hence my point, these complaints are misdirected. We should be angry with blizzard that they didn't host a Chinese qualifier, not angry at MLG because some diamond players signed up before Chinese pros...
Why would we be angry at Blizzard when HoTS isn't even out in China yet, the scene isn't nearly as big as KR/EU/NA, there's no reason why there should be a WCS Qualifier there. It's MLG's fault that they didn't either have a very very large initial bracket (like what EU did) or a restriction at least (Masters like what KR did), instead we get to watch diamond and low/mid master scrubs getting killed instead of one of the better foreign players.
No, it's all Blizzard's fault though.
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On April 21 2013 05:25 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 05:23 CerpinTaxt wrote:On April 21 2013 05:21 syllogism wrote:On April 21 2013 05:20 CerpinTaxt wrote:
Oh no! A Chinese player got left out of the North American Qualifiers! This would have more merit if they had their own qualifier. WCS Korea doesn't have online qualifiers. Hence my point, these complaints are misdirected. We should be angry with blizzard that they didn't host a Chinese qualifier, not angry at MLG because some diamond players signed up before Chinese pros... Or MLG could just host bigger qualifiers or prioritize players who are in a team and/or have demonstrated commitment (at least Master on ladder), makes much more sense
I'm not saying what happened is a good thing. Clearly the WCS needs bigger outreach, as proven by vastly over-registered qualifiers. I simply believe the best thing for of bigger outreach is hosting more then only three regional qualifiers. We're now witnessing a snowball effect of this initial short coming.
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Incompetence holding back esports from not being a laughing stock.
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On April 21 2013 05:28 CerpinTaxt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 05:25 syllogism wrote:On April 21 2013 05:23 CerpinTaxt wrote:On April 21 2013 05:21 syllogism wrote:On April 21 2013 05:20 CerpinTaxt wrote:
Oh no! A Chinese player got left out of the North American Qualifiers! This would have more merit if they had their own qualifier. WCS Korea doesn't have online qualifiers. Hence my point, these complaints are misdirected. We should be angry with blizzard that they didn't host a Chinese qualifier, not angry at MLG because some diamond players signed up before Chinese pros... Or MLG could just host bigger qualifiers or prioritize players who are in a team and/or have demonstrated commitment (at least Master on ladder), makes much more sense I'm not saying what happened is a good thing. Clearly the WCS needs bigger outreach, as proven by vastly over-registered qualifiers. I simply believe the best thing for of bigger outreach is hosting more then only three regional qualifiers. We're now witnessing a snowball effect of this initial short coming.
3 region qualifiers for the largest 3 regions (by far). There would be barely enough pros/semi-pros in the other regions combined to make a region that would be comparable to NA/EU/KR
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On April 21 2013 05:23 CerpinTaxt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 05:21 syllogism wrote:On April 21 2013 05:20 CerpinTaxt wrote:
Oh no! A Chinese player got left out of the North American Qualifiers! This would have more merit if they had their own qualifier. WCS Korea doesn't have online qualifiers. Hence my point, these complaints are misdirected. We should be angry with blizzard that they didn't host a Chinese qualifier, not angry at MLG because some diamond players signed up before Chinese pros...
You just misdirected the points. Things just happend on your eyes. One foreigner progamer got his opportunity ruined in no reason and the officials gave no answers to that yet. You told us to feedback to the Blizzard and waste for the next whole season, or even the whole year on wcs america?
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On April 21 2013 05:28 CerpinTaxt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 05:25 syllogism wrote:On April 21 2013 05:23 CerpinTaxt wrote:On April 21 2013 05:21 syllogism wrote:On April 21 2013 05:20 CerpinTaxt wrote:
Oh no! A Chinese player got left out of the North American Qualifiers! This would have more merit if they had their own qualifier. WCS Korea doesn't have online qualifiers. Hence my point, these complaints are misdirected. We should be angry with blizzard that they didn't host a Chinese qualifier, not angry at MLG because some diamond players signed up before Chinese pros... Or MLG could just host bigger qualifiers or prioritize players who are in a team and/or have demonstrated commitment (at least Master on ladder), makes much more sense I'm not saying what happened is a good thing. Clearly the WCS needs bigger outreach, as proven by vastly over-registered qualifiers. I simply believe the best thing for of bigger outreach is hosting more then only three regional qualifiers. We're now witnessing a snowball effect of this initial short coming.
No, three regional qualifiers was a reasonable and correct decision. They had a budget and they allocated that in a way that made most sense. Chinese sc2 scene isn't big enough to warrant their own qualifier and their best players can compete in Korea. Meanwhile MLG's decision is much more difficult to justify, although it's probably just a mistake that will be rectified.
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On April 21 2013 05:30 Chaggi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 05:28 CerpinTaxt wrote:On April 21 2013 05:25 syllogism wrote:On April 21 2013 05:23 CerpinTaxt wrote:On April 21 2013 05:21 syllogism wrote:On April 21 2013 05:20 CerpinTaxt wrote:
Oh no! A Chinese player got left out of the North American Qualifiers! This would have more merit if they had their own qualifier. WCS Korea doesn't have online qualifiers. Hence my point, these complaints are misdirected. We should be angry with blizzard that they didn't host a Chinese qualifier, not angry at MLG because some diamond players signed up before Chinese pros... Or MLG could just host bigger qualifiers or prioritize players who are in a team and/or have demonstrated commitment (at least Master on ladder), makes much more sense I'm not saying what happened is a good thing. Clearly the WCS needs bigger outreach, as proven by vastly over-registered qualifiers. I simply believe the best thing for of bigger outreach is hosting more then only three regional qualifiers. We're now witnessing a snowball effect of this initial short coming. 3 region qualifiers for the largest 3 regions (by far). There would be barely enough pros/semi-pros in the other regions combined to make a region that would be comparable to NA/EU/KR
First you're angry a Chinese player didn't get a chance to qualify for WCS. I suggest we give Chinese players their chance to qualify for WCS. You disagree.
Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing, or do you actually have a concern you want voiced?
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i feel MLG is rly brining this to themselves if you would not let a few diamonds play they wont complain, but now this happened and there will not be a easy way to compensate...
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a big shame that MLG didn't put in some masters+ league restriction (I think GSL code A required 1000+ points or something?) Really don't see why it's worth giving the more casual players a seed when there are much more dedicated players who would love an opportunity to compete in an open bracket. All this is doing is hurting the amateur/ up-and-coming players from the NA, China, and SEA scenes who didn't happen to register in the first couple of hours.
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On April 21 2013 05:32 CerpinTaxt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 05:30 Chaggi wrote:On April 21 2013 05:28 CerpinTaxt wrote:On April 21 2013 05:25 syllogism wrote:On April 21 2013 05:23 CerpinTaxt wrote:On April 21 2013 05:21 syllogism wrote:On April 21 2013 05:20 CerpinTaxt wrote:
Oh no! A Chinese player got left out of the North American Qualifiers! This would have more merit if they had their own qualifier. WCS Korea doesn't have online qualifiers. Hence my point, these complaints are misdirected. We should be angry with blizzard that they didn't host a Chinese qualifier, not angry at MLG because some diamond players signed up before Chinese pros... Or MLG could just host bigger qualifiers or prioritize players who are in a team and/or have demonstrated commitment (at least Master on ladder), makes much more sense I'm not saying what happened is a good thing. Clearly the WCS needs bigger outreach, as proven by vastly over-registered qualifiers. I simply believe the best thing for of bigger outreach is hosting more then only three regional qualifiers. We're now witnessing a snowball effect of this initial short coming. 3 region qualifiers for the largest 3 regions (by far). There would be barely enough pros/semi-pros in the other regions combined to make a region that would be comparable to NA/EU/KR First you're angry a Chinese player didn't get a chance to qualify for WCS. I suggest we give Chinese players their chance to qualify for WCS. You disagree. Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing, or do you actually have a concern you want voiced?
I'm angry that a legitimate pro got passed over for a non pro. This isn't about nationality. This player could be from America, Canada, Dominican Republic, Brazil, wherever - it doesn't matter. This is what you don't understand. It's not about where they're from, it's about how MLG does their brackets, which is the worst possible way compared to EU and KR. NA can't even run tournaments properly, how do they expect to have a proper e-sports system?
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On April 21 2013 05:35 Erik.TheRed wrote:
a big shame that MLG didn't put in some masters+ league restriction (I think GSL code A required 1000+ points or something?) Really don't see why it's worth giving the more casual players a seed when there are much more dedicated players who would love an opportunity to compete in an open bracket. All this is doing is hurting the amateur/ up-and-coming players from the NA, China, and SEA scenes who didn't happen to register in the first couple of hours.
GSL is 300+ point master I believe.
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On April 21 2013 05:36 Chaggi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 05:32 CerpinTaxt wrote:On April 21 2013 05:30 Chaggi wrote:On April 21 2013 05:28 CerpinTaxt wrote:On April 21 2013 05:25 syllogism wrote:On April 21 2013 05:23 CerpinTaxt wrote:On April 21 2013 05:21 syllogism wrote:On April 21 2013 05:20 CerpinTaxt wrote:
Oh no! A Chinese player got left out of the North American Qualifiers! This would have more merit if they had their own qualifier. WCS Korea doesn't have online qualifiers. Hence my point, these complaints are misdirected. We should be angry with blizzard that they didn't host a Chinese qualifier, not angry at MLG because some diamond players signed up before Chinese pros... Or MLG could just host bigger qualifiers or prioritize players who are in a team and/or have demonstrated commitment (at least Master on ladder), makes much more sense I'm not saying what happened is a good thing. Clearly the WCS needs bigger outreach, as proven by vastly over-registered qualifiers. I simply believe the best thing for of bigger outreach is hosting more then only three regional qualifiers. We're now witnessing a snowball effect of this initial short coming. 3 region qualifiers for the largest 3 regions (by far). There would be barely enough pros/semi-pros in the other regions combined to make a region that would be comparable to NA/EU/KR First you're angry a Chinese player didn't get a chance to qualify for WCS. I suggest we give Chinese players their chance to qualify for WCS. You disagree. Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing, or do you actually have a concern you want voiced? I'm angry that a legitimate pro got passed over for a non pro. This isn't about nationality. This player could be from America, Canada, Dominican Republic, Brazil, wherever - it doesn't matter. This is what you don't understand. It's not about where they're from, it's about how MLG does their brackets, which is the worst possible way compared to EU and KR. NA can't even run tournaments properly, how do they expect to have a proper e-sports system?
Exactly, it doesn't matter where the guy is from, if hes better than the rest of the people he should get a shot. None of this "Oh no He's chinese. and he got leftout of a north american qualifier?! awmgawd, now I'm called out on it so i better start making up some stuff to make myself seem less dumb."
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On April 21 2013 05:36 Chaggi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 05:35 Erik.TheRed wrote:
a big shame that MLG didn't put in some masters+ league restriction (I think GSL code A required 1000+ points or something?) Really don't see why it's worth giving the more casual players a seed when there are much more dedicated players who would love an opportunity to compete in an open bracket. All this is doing is hurting the amateur/ up-and-coming players from the NA, China, and SEA scenes who didn't happen to register in the first couple of hours. GSL is 300+ point master I believe.
GSL qualifiers has master level restrictions indeed.
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On April 21 2013 05:36 Chaggi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 05:32 CerpinTaxt wrote:On April 21 2013 05:30 Chaggi wrote:On April 21 2013 05:28 CerpinTaxt wrote:On April 21 2013 05:25 syllogism wrote:On April 21 2013 05:23 CerpinTaxt wrote:On April 21 2013 05:21 syllogism wrote:On April 21 2013 05:20 CerpinTaxt wrote:
Oh no! A Chinese player got left out of the North American Qualifiers! This would have more merit if they had their own qualifier. WCS Korea doesn't have online qualifiers. Hence my point, these complaints are misdirected. We should be angry with blizzard that they didn't host a Chinese qualifier, not angry at MLG because some diamond players signed up before Chinese pros... Or MLG could just host bigger qualifiers or prioritize players who are in a team and/or have demonstrated commitment (at least Master on ladder), makes much more sense I'm not saying what happened is a good thing. Clearly the WCS needs bigger outreach, as proven by vastly over-registered qualifiers. I simply believe the best thing for of bigger outreach is hosting more then only three regional qualifiers. We're now witnessing a snowball effect of this initial short coming. 3 region qualifiers for the largest 3 regions (by far). There would be barely enough pros/semi-pros in the other regions combined to make a region that would be comparable to NA/EU/KR First you're angry a Chinese player didn't get a chance to qualify for WCS. I suggest we give Chinese players their chance to qualify for WCS. You disagree. Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing, or do you actually have a concern you want voiced? I'm angry that a legitimate pro got passed over for a non pro. This isn't about nationality. This player could be from America, Canada, Dominican Republic, Brazil, wherever - it doesn't matter. This is what you don't understand. It's not about where they're from, it's about how MLG does their brackets, which is the worst possible way compared to EU and KR. NA can't even run tournaments properly, how do they expect to have a proper e-sports system?
Aye, I fully agree. However you'd have done well for yourself stating that from the git-go. I too don't want to watch diamond players over top Chinese players (or top-any-nationality pros). However there is multiple ways to solve this problem, I simply listed the origin of it, and wished that remedied.
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On April 21 2013 05:36 Chaggi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 05:35 Erik.TheRed wrote:
a big shame that MLG didn't put in some masters+ league restriction (I think GSL code A required 1000+ points or something?) Really don't see why it's worth giving the more casual players a seed when there are much more dedicated players who would love an opportunity to compete in an open bracket. All this is doing is hurting the amateur/ up-and-coming players from the NA, China, and SEA scenes who didn't happen to register in the first couple of hours. GSL is 300+ point master I believe.
From the Code A qualifiers announcement:
Priority for registration will be given to these players in sequential order:
1. ESF Players
2. KeSPA Players
3. Masters league players with at least 200 points (by April 1st, 12:00 PM KST)
After these players have been sorted, anyone will be able to sign up for the Code A qualifiers for a total number of 576 players. (First-come, first-served basis until March 29th, 12:00PM KST)
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On April 21 2013 05:39 [OGN]Remmy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 05:36 Chaggi wrote:On April 21 2013 05:35 Erik.TheRed wrote:
a big shame that MLG didn't put in some masters+ league restriction (I think GSL code A required 1000+ points or something?) Really don't see why it's worth giving the more casual players a seed when there are much more dedicated players who would love an opportunity to compete in an open bracket. All this is doing is hurting the amateur/ up-and-coming players from the NA, China, and SEA scenes who didn't happen to register in the first couple of hours. GSL is 300+ point master I believe. GSL qualifiers has master level restrictions indeed.
but it wasn't enforced as heavily for foreigners (if at all) in WoL. Not sure about HoTS. Then again, there was maybe like 2-3 foreigners max at the Code A qualifiers.
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On April 21 2013 05:40 Chaggi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 05:39 [OGN]Remmy wrote:On April 21 2013 05:36 Chaggi wrote:On April 21 2013 05:35 Erik.TheRed wrote:
a big shame that MLG didn't put in some masters+ league restriction (I think GSL code A required 1000+ points or something?) Really don't see why it's worth giving the more casual players a seed when there are much more dedicated players who would love an opportunity to compete in an open bracket. All this is doing is hurting the amateur/ up-and-coming players from the NA, China, and SEA scenes who didn't happen to register in the first couple of hours. GSL is 300+ point master I believe. GSL qualifiers has master level restrictions indeed. but it wasn't enforced as heavily for foreigners (if at all) in WoL. Not sure about HoTS. Then again, there was maybe like 2-3 foreigners max at the Code A qualifiers.
IG.JIM is a top100 Grandmaster on kr server and IG.XY is 1700+ master on kr server.
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On April 21 2013 05:39 CerpinTaxt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 05:36 Chaggi wrote:On April 21 2013 05:32 CerpinTaxt wrote:On April 21 2013 05:30 Chaggi wrote:On April 21 2013 05:28 CerpinTaxt wrote:On April 21 2013 05:25 syllogism wrote:On April 21 2013 05:23 CerpinTaxt wrote:On April 21 2013 05:21 syllogism wrote:On April 21 2013 05:20 CerpinTaxt wrote:
Oh no! A Chinese player got left out of the North American Qualifiers! This would have more merit if they had their own qualifier. WCS Korea doesn't have online qualifiers. Hence my point, these complaints are misdirected. We should be angry with blizzard that they didn't host a Chinese qualifier, not angry at MLG because some diamond players signed up before Chinese pros... Or MLG could just host bigger qualifiers or prioritize players who are in a team and/or have demonstrated commitment (at least Master on ladder), makes much more sense I'm not saying what happened is a good thing. Clearly the WCS needs bigger outreach, as proven by vastly over-registered qualifiers. I simply believe the best thing for of bigger outreach is hosting more then only three regional qualifiers. We're now witnessing a snowball effect of this initial short coming. 3 region qualifiers for the largest 3 regions (by far). There would be barely enough pros/semi-pros in the other regions combined to make a region that would be comparable to NA/EU/KR First you're angry a Chinese player didn't get a chance to qualify for WCS. I suggest we give Chinese players their chance to qualify for WCS. You disagree. Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing, or do you actually have a concern you want voiced? I'm angry that a legitimate pro got passed over for a non pro. This isn't about nationality. This player could be from America, Canada, Dominican Republic, Brazil, wherever - it doesn't matter. This is what you don't understand. It's not about where they're from, it's about how MLG does their brackets, which is the worst possible way compared to EU and KR. NA can't even run tournaments properly, how do they expect to have a proper e-sports system? Aye, I fully agree. However you'd have done well for yourself stating that from the git-go. I too don't want to watch diamond players over top Chinese players (or top-any-nationality pros). However there is multiple ways to solve this problem, I simply listed the origin of it, and wished that remedied.
The origin of the problem (that you listed) isn't anyway the easiest, or the best way. In fact, it might be one of the worst ways to solve this problem. The simple easiest way was for MLG to not be retarded, copy EU and/or KR, considering their qualifiers were before. Instead now we have diamond players getting shit on by pros and real pros being left out. And it was pretty clear from the get-go that this is why we were all unhappy. You were the one who decided to make a sarcastic remark about a Chinese player being left out of the North-American qualifiers.
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On April 21 2013 05:41 jalen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 05:40 Chaggi wrote:On April 21 2013 05:39 [OGN]Remmy wrote:On April 21 2013 05:36 Chaggi wrote:On April 21 2013 05:35 Erik.TheRed wrote:
a big shame that MLG didn't put in some masters+ league restriction (I think GSL code A required 1000+ points or something?) Really don't see why it's worth giving the more casual players a seed when there are much more dedicated players who would love an opportunity to compete in an open bracket. All this is doing is hurting the amateur/ up-and-coming players from the NA, China, and SEA scenes who didn't happen to register in the first couple of hours. GSL is 300+ point master I believe. GSL qualifiers has master level restrictions indeed. but it wasn't enforced as heavily for foreigners (if at all) in WoL. Not sure about HoTS. Then again, there was maybe like 2-3 foreigners max at the Code A qualifiers. IG.JIM is a top100 Grandmaster on kr server and IG.XY is 1700+ master on kr server.
Well, they two are not like MacSed who ranked #19 on the NA server. They just played on the KR server for practice.
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