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On April 22 2013 10:47 Doraemon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 10:43 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 10:38 Chaggi wrote:On April 22 2013 10:09 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 10:07 m4inbrain wrote:On April 22 2013 10:05 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 10:02 Doodsmack wrote:
Oh noez, some Chinese players didn't make it into a video game tournament, and they should have opened the tournament to 4,000 dia players instead of 512 dia players, WCS is a total fiasco. I'm never gonna watch WCS again and MLG is dead to me. You too, Sundance, you're dead to me.
*stamps feet and runs to mommy* I am with you. And everyone wondered why they wanted to charge $20 to sign up. All those diamond players taking up the slots of real, championship level players. Yep, making it free and 1000+/1300+ would've been way too complicated. Can't do that, would be too obvious of a solution. Yeah, I am sure that would have solved all the problem. God knows, more players in the brackets would have made everything better. 4000 Diamond players signing up for the event and it would have been great. They should have cast them all too, to make sure we didn't miss anything. I think you work for MLG don't you. Nah, I just think the Chinese players fucked up, didn't read the rules and are trying to blame MLG because they didn't read the rules. Then they tried to slip their best player through and got caught. But everyone love to hate on MLG like everyone loves to hate on EG. ......are you been serious?
100% serious. They didn't read the rules and didn't make sure their players registered in time to be seeded into the bracket(not checked in, registered). Then they showed up the day of the event, checked in, but found out that 512 players were already seeded in. They found out they fucked up and didn't read the part about how the registering worked and tried to get Comm through on an account that was registered early enough and was seeded. Then Comm go caught and was DQed.
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I'm sorry, but what was the reason that the Chinese players could not play in a different qualifier?
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On April 22 2013 10:43 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 10:38 Chaggi wrote:On April 22 2013 10:09 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 10:07 m4inbrain wrote:On April 22 2013 10:05 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 10:02 Doodsmack wrote:
Oh noez, some Chinese players didn't make it into a video game tournament, and they should have opened the tournament to 4,000 dia players instead of 512 dia players, WCS is a total fiasco. I'm never gonna watch WCS again and MLG is dead to me. You too, Sundance, you're dead to me.
*stamps feet and runs to mommy* I am with you. And everyone wondered why they wanted to charge $20 to sign up. All those diamond players taking up the slots of real, championship level players. Yep, making it free and 1000+/1300+ would've been way too complicated. Can't do that, would be too obvious of a solution. Yeah, I am sure that would have solved all the problem. God knows, more players in the brackets would have made everything better. 4000 Diamond players signing up for the event and it would have been great. They should have cast them all too, to make sure we didn't miss anything. I think you work for MLG don't you. Nah, I just think the Chinese players fucked up, didn't read the rules and are trying to blame MLG because they didn't read the rules. Then they tried to slip their best player through and got caught. But everyone love to hate on MLG like everyone loves to hate on EG.
Honestly this. I registered on a whim 5-6 hours after registration went live a week and a half ago and got a spot. Anyone that plays this game professionally should have been able to sign-up within an hour or two of registration going live and been fine.
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On April 22 2013 10:50 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 10:47 Doraemon wrote:On April 22 2013 10:43 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 10:38 Chaggi wrote:On April 22 2013 10:09 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 10:07 m4inbrain wrote:On April 22 2013 10:05 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 10:02 Doodsmack wrote:
Oh noez, some Chinese players didn't make it into a video game tournament, and they should have opened the tournament to 4,000 dia players instead of 512 dia players, WCS is a total fiasco. I'm never gonna watch WCS again and MLG is dead to me. You too, Sundance, you're dead to me.
*stamps feet and runs to mommy* I am with you. And everyone wondered why they wanted to charge $20 to sign up. All those diamond players taking up the slots of real, championship level players. Yep, making it free and 1000+/1300+ would've been way too complicated. Can't do that, would be too obvious of a solution. Yeah, I am sure that would have solved all the problem. God knows, more players in the brackets would have made everything better. 4000 Diamond players signing up for the event and it would have been great. They should have cast them all too, to make sure we didn't miss anything. I think you work for MLG don't you. Nah, I just think the Chinese players fucked up, didn't read the rules and are trying to blame MLG because they didn't read the rules. Then they tried to slip their best player through and got caught. But everyone love to hate on MLG like everyone loves to hate on EG. ......are you been serious? 100% serious. They didn't read the rules and didn't make sure their players registered in time to be seeded into the bracket(not checked in, registered). Then they showed up the day of the event, checked in, but found out that 512 players were already seeded in. They found out they fucked up and didn't read the part about how the registering worked and tried to get Comm through on an account that was registered early enough and was seeded. Then Comm go caught and was DQed.
Are you involved in the management of iG? Amazing how you got all that information if not.
On April 22 2013 10:52 Grimmyman123 wrote:
I'm sorry, but what was the reason that the Chinese players could not play in a different qualifier?
KR qualifiers are offline
EU qualifiers, probably worse lag than NA
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On April 22 2013 10:52 Grimmyman123 wrote:
I'm sorry, but what was the reason that the Chinese players could not play in a different qualifier?
It was either this or EU for online (where NA has much more manageable lag) or go play in Korea in person
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I'm really looking forward for an official MLG response to this pile of poo. I still sympathize for HyuN and the Chinese players. So many things could have been foreseen if they actually just thought about it.
Its a hardnock life.
Its also weird how they closed his other thread. Just seems like this weekend was a total clusterfuck.
Whats worse is that Axslav and Axeltoss did a really good job casting. Seemed like the games that they did cast were fantastic. They obviously put a lot of effort into their 7+ hour casting job and it seems everyone is over looking that.
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Sympathize for Hyun for trying to qualify even though he wasn't supposed to be allowed in at all? =\ think I need to retire from TL for the night. Everyone set down your pitchforks and just try to think about the events in a non "I want to burn everything to the ground every time something little happens" manner.
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On April 22 2013 10:52 Kambing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 10:43 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 10:38 Chaggi wrote:On April 22 2013 10:09 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 10:07 m4inbrain wrote:On April 22 2013 10:05 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 10:02 Doodsmack wrote:
Oh noez, some Chinese players didn't make it into a video game tournament, and they should have opened the tournament to 4,000 dia players instead of 512 dia players, WCS is a total fiasco. I'm never gonna watch WCS again and MLG is dead to me. You too, Sundance, you're dead to me.
*stamps feet and runs to mommy* I am with you. And everyone wondered why they wanted to charge $20 to sign up. All those diamond players taking up the slots of real, championship level players. Yep, making it free and 1000+/1300+ would've been way too complicated. Can't do that, would be too obvious of a solution. Yeah, I am sure that would have solved all the problem. God knows, more players in the brackets would have made everything better. 4000 Diamond players signing up for the event and it would have been great. They should have cast them all too, to make sure we didn't miss anything. I think you work for MLG don't you. Nah, I just think the Chinese players fucked up, didn't read the rules and are trying to blame MLG because they didn't read the rules. Then they tried to slip their best player through and got caught. But everyone love to hate on MLG like everyone loves to hate on EG. Honestly this. I registered on a whim 5-6 hours after registration went live a week and a half ago and got a spot. Anyone that plays this game professionally should have been able to sign-up within an hour or two of registration going live and been fine.
Exactly. There are so many other people who are not professionals who signed up in time. The Chinese players messed up and didn't realize they signed up to late and are trying to blame MLG because they didn't sign up quickly.
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On April 22 2013 10:50 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 10:47 Doraemon wrote:On April 22 2013 10:43 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 10:38 Chaggi wrote:On April 22 2013 10:09 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 10:07 m4inbrain wrote:On April 22 2013 10:05 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 10:02 Doodsmack wrote:
Oh noez, some Chinese players didn't make it into a video game tournament, and they should have opened the tournament to 4,000 dia players instead of 512 dia players, WCS is a total fiasco. I'm never gonna watch WCS again and MLG is dead to me. You too, Sundance, you're dead to me.
*stamps feet and runs to mommy* I am with you. And everyone wondered why they wanted to charge $20 to sign up. All those diamond players taking up the slots of real, championship level players. Yep, making it free and 1000+/1300+ would've been way too complicated. Can't do that, would be too obvious of a solution. Yeah, I am sure that would have solved all the problem. God knows, more players in the brackets would have made everything better. 4000 Diamond players signing up for the event and it would have been great. They should have cast them all too, to make sure we didn't miss anything. I think you work for MLG don't you. Nah, I just think the Chinese players fucked up, didn't read the rules and are trying to blame MLG because they didn't read the rules. Then they tried to slip their best player through and got caught. But everyone love to hate on MLG like everyone loves to hate on EG. ......are you been serious? 100% serious. They didn't read the rules and didn't make sure their players registered in time to be seeded into the bracket(not checked in, registered). Then they showed up the day of the event, checked in, but found out that 512 players were already seeded in. They found out they fucked up and didn't read the part about how the registering worked and tried to get Comm through on an account that was registered early enough and was seeded. Then Comm go caught and was DQed.
He didn't get caught; he "turned himself in." They shouldn't be so inflexible about this anyways.
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On April 22 2013 10:57 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 10:52 Kambing wrote:On April 22 2013 10:43 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 10:38 Chaggi wrote:On April 22 2013 10:09 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 10:07 m4inbrain wrote:On April 22 2013 10:05 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 10:02 Doodsmack wrote:
Oh noez, some Chinese players didn't make it into a video game tournament, and they should have opened the tournament to 4,000 dia players instead of 512 dia players, WCS is a total fiasco. I'm never gonna watch WCS again and MLG is dead to me. You too, Sundance, you're dead to me.
*stamps feet and runs to mommy* I am with you. And everyone wondered why they wanted to charge $20 to sign up. All those diamond players taking up the slots of real, championship level players. Yep, making it free and 1000+/1300+ would've been way too complicated. Can't do that, would be too obvious of a solution. Yeah, I am sure that would have solved all the problem. God knows, more players in the brackets would have made everything better. 4000 Diamond players signing up for the event and it would have been great. They should have cast them all too, to make sure we didn't miss anything. I think you work for MLG don't you. Nah, I just think the Chinese players fucked up, didn't read the rules and are trying to blame MLG because they didn't read the rules. Then they tried to slip their best player through and got caught. But everyone love to hate on MLG like everyone loves to hate on EG. Honestly this. I registered on a whim 5-6 hours after registration went live a week and a half ago and got a spot. Anyone that plays this game professionally should have been able to sign-up within an hour or two of registration going live and been fine. Exactly. There are so many other people who are not professionals who signed up in time. The Chinese players messed up and didn't realize they signed up to late and are trying to blame MLG because they didn't sign up quickly.
If you didn't register, how can you check in? *facepalm*
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On April 22 2013 11:17 geokilla wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 10:57 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 10:52 Kambing wrote:On April 22 2013 10:43 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 10:38 Chaggi wrote:On April 22 2013 10:09 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 10:07 m4inbrain wrote:On April 22 2013 10:05 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 10:02 Doodsmack wrote:
Oh noez, some Chinese players didn't make it into a video game tournament, and they should have opened the tournament to 4,000 dia players instead of 512 dia players, WCS is a total fiasco. I'm never gonna watch WCS again and MLG is dead to me. You too, Sundance, you're dead to me.
*stamps feet and runs to mommy* I am with you. And everyone wondered why they wanted to charge $20 to sign up. All those diamond players taking up the slots of real, championship level players. Yep, making it free and 1000+/1300+ would've been way too complicated. Can't do that, would be too obvious of a solution. Yeah, I am sure that would have solved all the problem. God knows, more players in the brackets would have made everything better. 4000 Diamond players signing up for the event and it would have been great. They should have cast them all too, to make sure we didn't miss anything. I think you work for MLG don't you. Nah, I just think the Chinese players fucked up, didn't read the rules and are trying to blame MLG because they didn't read the rules. Then they tried to slip their best player through and got caught. But everyone love to hate on MLG like everyone loves to hate on EG. Honestly this. I registered on a whim 5-6 hours after registration went live a week and a half ago and got a spot. Anyone that plays this game professionally should have been able to sign-up within an hour or two of registration going live and been fine. Exactly. There are so many other people who are not professionals who signed up in time. The Chinese players messed up and didn't realize they signed up to late and are trying to blame MLG because they didn't sign up quickly. If you didn't register, how can you check in? *facepalm*
It doesn't sound like you understood the registration process. Plansix understands it correctly.
You could register for the qualifier up to the day of the event. The time in which you registered determines if you were seeded into the qualifier.
You needed to check in to the qualifier in the two hour window preceding the event. It doesn't matter when you checked in during this period as long as you did so.
The 512 players that played in the qualifier (modulo the 64 reserved spots) are those that checked in and registered the earliest out of all players that checked in that day.
If there wasn't an error on MLG's end (and there is that possibility --- we don't know unless someone makes some official statements one way or the other) then they simply registered too late to be seeded.
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On April 22 2013 11:32 Kambing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:17 geokilla wrote:On April 22 2013 10:57 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 10:52 Kambing wrote:On April 22 2013 10:43 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 10:38 Chaggi wrote:On April 22 2013 10:09 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 10:07 m4inbrain wrote:On April 22 2013 10:05 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 10:02 Doodsmack wrote:
Oh noez, some Chinese players didn't make it into a video game tournament, and they should have opened the tournament to 4,000 dia players instead of 512 dia players, WCS is a total fiasco. I'm never gonna watch WCS again and MLG is dead to me. You too, Sundance, you're dead to me.
*stamps feet and runs to mommy* I am with you. And everyone wondered why they wanted to charge $20 to sign up. All those diamond players taking up the slots of real, championship level players. Yep, making it free and 1000+/1300+ would've been way too complicated. Can't do that, would be too obvious of a solution. Yeah, I am sure that would have solved all the problem. God knows, more players in the brackets would have made everything better. 4000 Diamond players signing up for the event and it would have been great. They should have cast them all too, to make sure we didn't miss anything. I think you work for MLG don't you. Nah, I just think the Chinese players fucked up, didn't read the rules and are trying to blame MLG because they didn't read the rules. Then they tried to slip their best player through and got caught. But everyone love to hate on MLG like everyone loves to hate on EG. Honestly this. I registered on a whim 5-6 hours after registration went live a week and a half ago and got a spot. Anyone that plays this game professionally should have been able to sign-up within an hour or two of registration going live and been fine. Exactly. There are so many other people who are not professionals who signed up in time. The Chinese players messed up and didn't realize they signed up to late and are trying to blame MLG because they didn't sign up quickly. If you didn't register, how can you check in? *facepalm* It doesn't sound like you understood the registration process. Plansix understands it correctly. You could register for the qualifier up to the day of the event. The time in which you registered determines if you were seeded into the qualifier. You needed to check in to the qualifier in the two hour window preceding the event. It doesn't matter when you checked in during this period as long as you did so. The 512 players that played in the qualifier (modulo the 64 reserved spots) are those that checked in and registered the earliest out of all players that checked in that day. If there wasn't an error on MLG's end (and there is that possibility --- we don't know unless someone makes some official statements one way or the other) then they simply registered too late to be seeded.
That's the logical conclusion. Unfortunately we don't know when the Chinese players registered, and all I could glean from Comm's post is that many of them registered ASAP (though at least some registered extremely late, by 10 AM EDT ... which is check-in time). So some of them certainly did register very late, too late to get seeded.
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What happened since I went to work earlier today? Let me read up on the last ten pages that got tacked on.
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On April 22 2013 11:51 Enders116 wrote:
What happened since I went to work earlier today? Let me read up on the last ten pages that got tacked on.
Comm got formally DQ'd for playing on an account he didnt register and people aren't happy since he was in the losers' finals + everything going on with the chinese players this weekend
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seems like plan6 only responds to criticism against mlg and not criticism against blizzard. so mlg employee doesn't defend blizz? that's bad form
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On April 21 2013 05:20 CerpinTaxt wrote:
Oh no! A Chinese player got left out of the North American Qualifiers!
Please spare us your stupidity. China still doesn't have HotS, so organizing a WCS China is impossible. That's why Chinese players are attending WCS NA. Plus, lots of Koreans are taking part in WCS EU and NA as well, don't get what your problem is.
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On April 22 2013 11:55 oneofthem wrote:
seems like plan6 only responds to criticism against mlg and not criticism against blizzard. so mlg employee doesn't defend blizz? that's bad form
I don't work for MLG. Blizzard wasn't involved. And its not my fault that the Chinese professional players couldn't figure out how to register in time, while 512 other people did.
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On April 22 2013 10:36 Exempt. wrote:
This is so disgusting I honestly don't know this is even possible. Can't believe I logged on and hear something like this. Mlg has done esports for over a decade. How long does it take you to quit fucking up?
Because MLG was founded on Halo 2 as a staple for the longest time. And don't tell me that there are more intellectuals that play Halo than there are intellectuals that play SC2. Hell, Halo 4 has since been cut from MLG.
On April 22 2013 10:07 Elairec wrote:
Ding ding. Community will bitch about everything along the way though. If it's not this, it's something else. People just need to be happy anything is put together these days, because it's damn sure better than what we had in BW ...
That statement has zero empathy and zero verstehen in it. Are you even remotely aware of the fact that Chinese players have to pay $40 USD just to get a copy of SC2:HoTS because Blizzard completely and totally failed to meet the publishing standards in China? I know that SC2: WoL only costs $15 USD in China.
In some places that I have been to in China, 40 USD is half a person's yearly earnings.
On April 22 2013 09:31 jackrlong wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 09:26 Liamyan wrote:
Crank posted his match results on twiter,is that against the rules? why Crank is still not being DQed? Hey, I'm Chinese and I'm pissed as hell that we've been shafted at this MLG, but let's be reasonable. Crank obviously deserves his qualification, and we shouldn't try to screw over other players just because we have been screwed over. Just direct your anger at MLG instead, instead of wishing ill upon others.
I disagree completely. If comm gets DQ'd, I want to see crank DQ'd. It's only fair. Especially when we have players that are fighting off fatigue to prove their might and represent their country.
On April 22 2013 09:28 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 09:26 Liamyan wrote:
Crank posted his match results on twiter,is that against the rules? why Crank is still not being DQed? Are you the same guy who made that thread earlier that got closed? I mean, I love all the accounts with under 10 posts coming to the defense of Comm. Its amazing all these folks from the US coming to defend him, even if their English isn't that great.
I love all these people who give themselves a false sense of xenophobic superiority because they speak one language as a mother tongue, have no clue what I'm talking about when I talk to my girlfriend, my professors, my fans, and still have the testicles to talk about language skills in direct response to someone's posts on teamliquid.net when they wouldn't even have half of the gall to say it to someone in their every day lives.
This of all things is what disturbs me the most: The coach of iG was just banned from teamliquid.net in my absence.
Can someone just tell me why? This of all things... God damn it.
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On April 22 2013 12:30 Enders116 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 10:36 Exempt. wrote:
This is so disgusting I honestly don't know this is even possible. Can't believe I logged on and hear something like this. Mlg has done esports for over a decade. How long does it take you to quit fucking up? Because MLG was founded on Halo 2 as a staple for the longest time. And don't tell me that there are more intellectuals that play Halo than there are intellectuals that play SC2. Hell, Halo 4 has since been cut from MLG. On April 22 2013 10:07 Elairec wrote:
Ding ding. Community will bitch about everything along the way though. If it's not this, it's something else. People just need to be happy anything is put together these days, because it's damn sure better than what we had in BW ... That statement has zero empathy and zero verstehen in it. Are you even remotely aware of the fact that Chinese players have to pay $40 USD just to get a copy of SC2:HoTS because Blizzard completely and totally failed to meet the publishing standards in China? I know that SC2: WoL only costs $15 USD in China. In some places that I have been to in China, 40 USD is half a person's yearly earnings. On April 22 2013 09:31 jackrlong wrote:On April 22 2013 09:26 Liamyan wrote:
Crank posted his match results on twiter,is that against the rules? why Crank is still not being DQed? Hey, I'm Chinese and I'm pissed as hell that we've been shafted at this MLG, but let's be reasonable. Crank obviously deserves his qualification, and we shouldn't try to screw over other players just because we have been screwed over. Just direct your anger at MLG instead, instead of wishing ill upon others. I disagree completely. If comm gets DQ'd, I want to see crank DQ'd. It's only fair. Especially when we have players that are fighting off fatigue to prove their might and represent their country. On April 22 2013 09:28 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 09:26 Liamyan wrote:
Crank posted his match results on twiter,is that against the rules? why Crank is still not being DQed? Are you the same guy who made that thread earlier that got closed? I mean, I love all the accounts with under 10 posts coming to the defense of Comm. Its amazing all these folks from the US coming to defend him, even if their English isn't that great. I love all these people who give themselves a false sense of xenophobic superiority because they speak one language as a mother tongue, have no clue what I'm talking about when I talk to my girlfriend, my professors, my fans, and still have the testicles to talk about language skills in direct response to someone's posts on teamliquid.net when they wouldn't even have half of the gall to say it to someone in their every day lives. This of all things is what disturbs me the most: The coach of iG was just banned from teamliquid.net in my absence. Can someone just tell me why? This of all things... God damn it.
Coach of IG?
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On April 22 2013 12:32 Weirdkid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 12:30 Enders116 wrote:On April 22 2013 10:36 Exempt. wrote:
This is so disgusting I honestly don't know this is even possible. Can't believe I logged on and hear something like this. Mlg has done esports for over a decade. How long does it take you to quit fucking up? Because MLG was founded on Halo 2 as a staple for the longest time. And don't tell me that there are more intellectuals that play Halo than there are intellectuals that play SC2. Hell, Halo 4 has since been cut from MLG. On April 22 2013 10:07 Elairec wrote:
Ding ding. Community will bitch about everything along the way though. If it's not this, it's something else. People just need to be happy anything is put together these days, because it's damn sure better than what we had in BW ... That statement has zero empathy and zero verstehen in it. Are you even remotely aware of the fact that Chinese players have to pay $40 USD just to get a copy of SC2:HoTS because Blizzard completely and totally failed to meet the publishing standards in China? I know that SC2: WoL only costs $15 USD in China. In some places that I have been to in China, 40 USD is half a person's yearly earnings. On April 22 2013 09:31 jackrlong wrote:On April 22 2013 09:26 Liamyan wrote:
Crank posted his match results on twiter,is that against the rules? why Crank is still not being DQed? Hey, I'm Chinese and I'm pissed as hell that we've been shafted at this MLG, but let's be reasonable. Crank obviously deserves his qualification, and we shouldn't try to screw over other players just because we have been screwed over. Just direct your anger at MLG instead, instead of wishing ill upon others. I disagree completely. If comm gets DQ'd, I want to see crank DQ'd. It's only fair. Especially when we have players that are fighting off fatigue to prove their might and represent their country. On April 22 2013 09:28 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 09:26 Liamyan wrote:
Crank posted his match results on twiter,is that against the rules? why Crank is still not being DQed? Are you the same guy who made that thread earlier that got closed? I mean, I love all the accounts with under 10 posts coming to the defense of Comm. Its amazing all these folks from the US coming to defend him, even if their English isn't that great. I love all these people who give themselves a false sense of xenophobic superiority because they speak one language as a mother tongue, have no clue what I'm talking about when I talk to my girlfriend, my professors, my fans, and still have the testicles to talk about language skills in direct response to someone's posts on teamliquid.net when they wouldn't even have half of the gall to say it to someone in their every day lives. This of all things is what disturbs me the most: The coach of iG was just banned from teamliquid.net in my absence. Can someone just tell me why? This of all things... God damn it. Coach of IG?
is Jalen an IG coach?
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