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On April 22 2013 09:41 Beakyboo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 09:31 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 09:26 Beakyboo wrote:On April 22 2013 09:17 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 09:15 Beakyboo wrote:On April 22 2013 09:06 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 09:03 Judicator wrote:On April 22 2013 09:00 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 08:56 Canucklehead wrote:On April 22 2013 08:52 Plansix wrote:
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Agreed, I don't understand why people are expecting MLG to let that slide. There is a reason that rule is in place, like preventing one player from ghosting at 3 or 4 people to give several shots at qualifying. Lol see now you are just spreading lies. Anything to defend MLG I guess. If you don't hold tourneys accountable for their mistakes, then they will never improve. If everyone turned a blind eye to things like you, nothing would ever progress. Mindless fanboyism does nothing and is a negative. Why would you let anyone sign up twice for the qualifier? Why would you ever do that? Why would you EVER let a player play under someone else account, ever? Because MLG is terrible at TO-ing? Like really, its one thing to let someone sign up and play a few rounds, it's another to let it go for that long. How the FUCK are they supposed to know who is using the PC? HE IS IN CHINA!!!!!! MLG's job is to enforce the rules, which he broke. I don't are how good he is, he broke the rules to get into the event. He signed up twice, which is against the rules for a reason. Maybe, but really you shouldn't have to sign up twice to get into the event in the first place and that is yet another failure of MLG's that they're now drawing further attention to. This guy won WCS china. He deserves to be able to play here. It's BS that a high caliber player like this was excluded in the first place just because of MLG's incompetency. MLG needs to just let this one slide. Let him play. No one's going to hold that against them. If he won WSC China, his team should have made sure he would be in the qualifier by contacting MLG the instant was not one of the first 512 people to sign up. But they didn't read the rules and didn't understand the some of their players did not make the cut off time. And when they were told they couldn't play, Comm tried to play under someone elses account, which got him DQ because that is against the rules. Well it was my understanding that there was some miscommunication and they believed they did confirm that their players had made it into the tournament. Even still, it's obvious why MLG has these rules in place, but their intentions were pretty honest. It's not like they were abusing by signing up for extra spots to get in. The reality is that all the chinese players should have been able to compete. They got screwed out of that and tried to give what spots they got to the deserving players. Now MLG's screwing them out of that too. I don't see how anyone couldn't sympathize with how frustrating that has got to be. MLG can still change this and they really should. I really don't think posting a complaint on reddit that you didn't red the rules correctly and then trying to use someone else's account should be rewarded. The team did not read the rules and registered some of their players late. There is a warning on the MLG site about people who signed up after 512 in huge, red letters. But they must have missed it. Aren't there literally screenshots of the chatlogs where admins tell these guys they're signed up and "good to go"? Like, come on... You can't act like MLG has no fault in this. This would never have happened in WCS EU.
I said this is the other thread, but its relevant here:
What's the chances that they were actually checked in (as it would show them as checked in), but didn't fall within the parameters based on time registered which is why they were bumped out? This sucks, I agree, but it's just something that needs to be learned from and fixed in the future.
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On April 22 2013 09:41 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 09:36 Kupon3ss wrote:On April 22 2013 09:31 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 09:26 Beakyboo wrote:On April 22 2013 09:17 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 09:15 Beakyboo wrote:On April 22 2013 09:06 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 09:03 Judicator wrote:On April 22 2013 09:00 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 08:56 Canucklehead wrote:
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Lol see now you are just spreading lies. Anything to defend MLG I guess. If you don't hold tourneys accountable for their mistakes, then they will never improve. If everyone turned a blind eye to things like you, nothing would ever progress. Mindless fanboyism does nothing and is a negative. Why would you let anyone sign up twice for the qualifier? Why would you ever do that? Why would you EVER let a player play under someone else account, ever? Because MLG is terrible at TO-ing? Like really, its one thing to let someone sign up and play a few rounds, it's another to let it go for that long. How the FUCK are they supposed to know who is using the PC? HE IS IN CHINA!!!!!! MLG's job is to enforce the rules, which he broke. I don't are how good he is, he broke the rules to get into the event. He signed up twice, which is against the rules for a reason. Maybe, but really you shouldn't have to sign up twice to get into the event in the first place and that is yet another failure of MLG's that they're now drawing further attention to. This guy won WCS china. He deserves to be able to play here. It's BS that a high caliber player like this was excluded in the first place just because of MLG's incompetency. MLG needs to just let this one slide. Let him play. No one's going to hold that against them. If he won WSC China, his team should have made sure he would be in the qualifier by contacting MLG the instant was not one of the first 512 people to sign up. But they didn't read the rules and didn't understand the some of their players did not make the cut off time. And when they were told they couldn't play, Comm tried to play under someone elses account, which got him DQ because that is against the rules. Well it was my understanding that there was some miscommunication and they believed they did confirm that their players had made it into the tournament. Even still, it's obvious why MLG has these rules in place, but their intentions were pretty honest. It's not like they were abusing by signing up for extra spots to get in. The reality is that all the chinese players should have been able to compete. They got screwed out of that and tried to give what spots they got to the deserving players. Now MLG's screwing them out of that too. I don't see how anyone couldn't sympathize with how frustrating that has got to be. MLG can still change this and they really should. I really don't think posting a complaint on reddit that you didn't red the rules correctly and then trying to use someone else's account should be rewarded. The team did not read the rules and registered some of their players late. There is a warning on the MLG site about people who signed up after 512 in huge, red letters. But they must have missed it. What Comm ended up doing was certainly against the rules, but it was his only option after things like ![[image loading]](http://bbs.neotv.cn/data/attachment/forum/201304/21/044026usjmh8va8kccnaav.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://bbs.neotv.cn/data/attachment/forum/201304/21/044034bwnzvvrb2ajlrinv.jpg) had occurred. It's hard to say they missed anything when they immediately contacted MLG when they noticed something was astray. The argument put forth against Comm's DQ is that even though he broke the rules, the rules were flexible enough to not warrant a DQ given the honest intentions and circumstances behind using his student's account, the mentioning of Crank is an example of (a lesser) infraction being ignored. All in all a terrible situation, the Chinese SC2 scene is already on life support and this might just have been the final nail in the coffin for a region at least as strong as NA. 1. Two wrongs don't make a right. 2. Comm making it into WCS NA is not going to save the Chinese scene.
But that's the thing. Two wrongs don't make a right, but after you've (i.e. MLG) already committed more than two wrongs (of varying magnitudes), then at some point one more (tiny) wrong doesn't really matter.
That's what people are arguing anyways. I kind of agree. It's so fucked up already that they might as well just redo this whole thing.
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On April 22 2013 09:41 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 09:36 Kupon3ss wrote:On April 22 2013 09:31 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 09:26 Beakyboo wrote:On April 22 2013 09:17 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 09:15 Beakyboo wrote:On April 22 2013 09:06 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 09:03 Judicator wrote:On April 22 2013 09:00 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 08:56 Canucklehead wrote:
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Lol see now you are just spreading lies. Anything to defend MLG I guess. If you don't hold tourneys accountable for their mistakes, then they will never improve. If everyone turned a blind eye to things like you, nothing would ever progress. Mindless fanboyism does nothing and is a negative. Why would you let anyone sign up twice for the qualifier? Why would you ever do that? Why would you EVER let a player play under someone else account, ever? Because MLG is terrible at TO-ing? Like really, its one thing to let someone sign up and play a few rounds, it's another to let it go for that long. How the FUCK are they supposed to know who is using the PC? HE IS IN CHINA!!!!!! MLG's job is to enforce the rules, which he broke. I don't are how good he is, he broke the rules to get into the event. He signed up twice, which is against the rules for a reason. Maybe, but really you shouldn't have to sign up twice to get into the event in the first place and that is yet another failure of MLG's that they're now drawing further attention to. This guy won WCS china. He deserves to be able to play here. It's BS that a high caliber player like this was excluded in the first place just because of MLG's incompetency. MLG needs to just let this one slide. Let him play. No one's going to hold that against them. If he won WSC China, his team should have made sure he would be in the qualifier by contacting MLG the instant was not one of the first 512 people to sign up. But they didn't read the rules and didn't understand the some of their players did not make the cut off time. And when they were told they couldn't play, Comm tried to play under someone elses account, which got him DQ because that is against the rules. Well it was my understanding that there was some miscommunication and they believed they did confirm that their players had made it into the tournament. Even still, it's obvious why MLG has these rules in place, but their intentions were pretty honest. It's not like they were abusing by signing up for extra spots to get in. The reality is that all the chinese players should have been able to compete. They got screwed out of that and tried to give what spots they got to the deserving players. Now MLG's screwing them out of that too. I don't see how anyone couldn't sympathize with how frustrating that has got to be. MLG can still change this and they really should. I really don't think posting a complaint on reddit that you didn't red the rules correctly and then trying to use someone else's account should be rewarded. The team did not read the rules and registered some of their players late. There is a warning on the MLG site about people who signed up after 512 in huge, red letters. But they must have missed it. What Comm ended up doing was certainly against the rules, but it was his only option after things like had occurred. It's hard to say they missed anything when they immediately contacted MLG when they noticed something was astray. The argument put forth against Comm's DQ is that even though he broke the rules, the rules were flexible enough to not warrant a DQ given the honest intentions and circumstances behind using his student's account, the mentioning of Crank is an example of (a lesser) infraction being ignored. All in all a terrible situation, the Chinese SC2 scene is already on life support and this might just have been the final nail in the coffin for a region at least as strong as NA. 1. Two wrongs don't make a right. 2. Comm making it into WCS NA is not going to save the Chinese scene.
Nobody said two wrongs made a right, only that an infraction like that can and perhaps should be ignored
Individuals making it in or out of WCS NA has nothing to do with the scene, its the entire perception that the Chinese scene has been completely ignored and mistreated in this manner, literally lied to and ignored (some netizens are arguing maliciously) by the "official" Blizzard WCS proxy. What hope do Chinese progamers have for a viable scene if this is how they're treated?
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lol blizzard. nice job with your tournament when you ignore half the world and tell them to cram into NA without a prepared system in place.
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On April 22 2013 09:42 babylon wrote:
Well, the most I'm getting out of this is that Comm is a PR genius.
Its not about PR most people dont even know him untill yesterday.ITs about justice
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I'm really disappointed in MLG. I hope Blizzard does something for the Chinese players.
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China got money, they should buy out Blizzard, and shut this whole WCS joke down.
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On April 22 2013 09:47 Liamyan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 09:42 babylon wrote:
Well, the most I'm getting out of this is that Comm is a PR genius. It not about PR most people dont even know him untill yesterday.ITs about justice
Oh, I don't deny that he feels wronged, and he's certainly justified in his feelings. But, come on, you have just got to appreciate how he's playing the crowd. His timing was marvelous.
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On April 22 2013 09:43 Elairec wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 09:41 Beakyboo wrote:On April 22 2013 09:31 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 09:26 Beakyboo wrote:On April 22 2013 09:17 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 09:15 Beakyboo wrote:On April 22 2013 09:06 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 09:03 Judicator wrote:On April 22 2013 09:00 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 08:56 Canucklehead wrote:
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Lol see now you are just spreading lies. Anything to defend MLG I guess. If you don't hold tourneys accountable for their mistakes, then they will never improve. If everyone turned a blind eye to things like you, nothing would ever progress. Mindless fanboyism does nothing and is a negative. Why would you let anyone sign up twice for the qualifier? Why would you ever do that? Why would you EVER let a player play under someone else account, ever? Because MLG is terrible at TO-ing? Like really, its one thing to let someone sign up and play a few rounds, it's another to let it go for that long. How the FUCK are they supposed to know who is using the PC? HE IS IN CHINA!!!!!! MLG's job is to enforce the rules, which he broke. I don't are how good he is, he broke the rules to get into the event. He signed up twice, which is against the rules for a reason. Maybe, but really you shouldn't have to sign up twice to get into the event in the first place and that is yet another failure of MLG's that they're now drawing further attention to. This guy won WCS china. He deserves to be able to play here. It's BS that a high caliber player like this was excluded in the first place just because of MLG's incompetency. MLG needs to just let this one slide. Let him play. No one's going to hold that against them. If he won WSC China, his team should have made sure he would be in the qualifier by contacting MLG the instant was not one of the first 512 people to sign up. But they didn't read the rules and didn't understand the some of their players did not make the cut off time. And when they were told they couldn't play, Comm tried to play under someone elses account, which got him DQ because that is against the rules. Well it was my understanding that there was some miscommunication and they believed they did confirm that their players had made it into the tournament. Even still, it's obvious why MLG has these rules in place, but their intentions were pretty honest. It's not like they were abusing by signing up for extra spots to get in. The reality is that all the chinese players should have been able to compete. They got screwed out of that and tried to give what spots they got to the deserving players. Now MLG's screwing them out of that too. I don't see how anyone couldn't sympathize with how frustrating that has got to be. MLG can still change this and they really should. I really don't think posting a complaint on reddit that you didn't red the rules correctly and then trying to use someone else's account should be rewarded. The team did not read the rules and registered some of their players late. There is a warning on the MLG site about people who signed up after 512 in huge, red letters. But they must have missed it. Aren't there literally screenshots of the chatlogs where admins tell these guys they're signed up and "good to go"? Like, come on... You can't act like MLG has no fault in this. This would never have happened in WCS EU. I said this is the other thread, but its relevant here: What's the chances that they were actually checked in (as it would show them as checked in), but didn't fall within the parameters based on time registered which is why they were bumped out? This sucks, I agree, but it's just something that needs to be learned from and fixed in the future.
Well I imagine this was the case, but it's still MLG's job to make sure that legitimate contenders don't get screwed out of a spot. Pro players need to be given priority. Comm won WCS china. This is totally MLG's bad. Letting any random player sign up and push a pro player out for signing up seconds too late is just a ridiculously poor system. This didn't happen with WCS EU, and for obvious reasons.
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On April 22 2013 09:51 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 09:47 Liamyan wrote:On April 22 2013 09:42 babylon wrote:
Well, the most I'm getting out of this is that Comm is a PR genius. It not about PR most people dont even know him untill yesterday.ITs about justice Oh, I don't deny that he feels wronged, and he's certainly justified in his feelings. But, come on, you have just got to appreciate how he's playing the crowd. His timing was marvelous.
He certainly didn't come here to talk about it, probably just post a few things on Chinese website. It's Chinese fans and justice made the case against MLG. Even if he didn't say anything, his manager will make the case for him.
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Well for some reason they thought one 512 man tournament would suit the needs of something of this magnitude and for that, they should get some heat.
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On April 22 2013 09:51 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 09:47 Liamyan wrote:On April 22 2013 09:42 babylon wrote:
Well, the most I'm getting out of this is that Comm is a PR genius. It not about PR most people dont even know him untill yesterday.ITs about justice Oh, I don't deny that he feels wronged, and he's certainly justified in his feelings. But, come on, you have just got to appreciate how he's playing the crowd. His timing was marvelous.
His timing being as soon as he was DQ'd
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On April 22 2013 09:51 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 09:47 Liamyan wrote:On April 22 2013 09:42 babylon wrote:
Well, the most I'm getting out of this is that Comm is a PR genius. It not about PR most people dont even know him untill yesterday.ITs about justice Oh, I don't deny that he feels wronged, and he's certainly justified in his feelings. But, come on, you have just got to appreciate how he's playing the crowd. His timing was marvelous.
Of course he is. His matches amazed all the Chinese SC2 funs.We all think Comm should have a chance to show how good he is to the whole world. We all thought he is ahead the world half year.
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Not good! MLG will hear about this one for a while... There's always a lot of talk during tournaments like this. I know DEMUSLIM wasn't in there to start, they had to fix that. While comm might not be as popular due to his country he's fighting out of, winning WCS China is pretty big deal, he deserves his shot.
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On April 22 2013 09:53 Kupon3ss wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 09:51 babylon wrote:On April 22 2013 09:47 Liamyan wrote:On April 22 2013 09:42 babylon wrote:
Well, the most I'm getting out of this is that Comm is a PR genius. It not about PR most people dont even know him untill yesterday.ITs about justice Oh, I don't deny that he feels wronged, and he's certainly justified in his feelings. But, come on, you have just got to appreciate how he's playing the crowd. His timing was marvelous. His timing being as soon as he was DQ'd
I'm under the impression that he broke the news after he lost to TheStC, and his self-posted "confession" was what prompted the admins to DQ him. But maybe my timetable is wrong; I hadn't even known what was going on until a few hours ago.
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Oh noez, some Chinese players didn't make it into a video game tournament, and they should have opened the tournament to 4,000 dia players instead of 512 dia players, WCS is a total fiasco. I'm never gonna watch WCS again and MLG is dead to me. You too, Sundance, you're dead to me.
*stamps feet and runs to mommy*
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On April 22 2013 10:02 Doodsmack wrote:
Oh noez, some Chinese players didn't make it into a video game tournament, and they should have opened the tournament to 4,000 dia players instead of 512 dia players, WCS is a total fiasco. I'm never gonna watch WCS again and MLG is dead to me. You too, Sundance, you're dead to me.
*stamps feet and runs to mommy*
I am with you. And everyone wondered why they wanted to charge $20 to sign up. All those diamond players taking up the slots of real, championship level players.
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Ding ding. Community will bitch about everything along the way though. If it's not this, it's something else. People just need to be happy anything is put together these days, because it's damn sure better than what we had in BW ...
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On April 22 2013 10:05 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 10:02 Doodsmack wrote:
Oh noez, some Chinese players didn't make it into a video game tournament, and they should have opened the tournament to 4,000 dia players instead of 512 dia players, WCS is a total fiasco. I'm never gonna watch WCS again and MLG is dead to me. You too, Sundance, you're dead to me.
*stamps feet and runs to mommy* I am with you. And everyone wondered why they wanted to charge $20 to sign up. All those diamond players taking up the slots of real, championship level players.
Yep, making it free and 1000+/1300+ would've been way too complicated. Can't do that, would be too obvious of a solution.
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On April 22 2013 10:05 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 10:02 Doodsmack wrote:
Oh noez, some Chinese players didn't make it into a video game tournament, and they should have opened the tournament to 4,000 dia players instead of 512 dia players, WCS is a total fiasco. I'm never gonna watch WCS again and MLG is dead to me. You too, Sundance, you're dead to me.
*stamps feet and runs to mommy* I am with you. And everyone wondered why they wanted to charge $20 to sign up. All those diamond players taking up the slots of real, championship level players.
and yet, ESL could make a 1470 players tournament as a fourth qualifier be ran in 2 days
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