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On April 19 2013 18:29 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2013 16:33 Ghanburighan wrote:
Hilarious how pretty much the same zergs balance whine with impunity all over TL. The funny thing is, if you take out the Koreans, there are still more European zergs in the premier competition (9) than European terrans (8). Perhaps you should whine that Korean zergs are not participating in the European scene as much as the Korean terrans (oh, wait. There are also more Code S zerg (12) than terrans (11).)
This is where I need Incontrol for the voice-over: ''Now that zergs are not winning ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING, the game is broken''. Only because they were invited. We will see how it will all look after first season. Does anyone know if WCS EU follows same rule as Code S, as in only top 8 stay in Code S and rest need to battle it out with Challenger League players?
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/9496789/WCS_2013_Format_Players_Prizes_and_Points-4_16_2013
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I was so impressed no Zerg quilified through the brackets!!! The issue is their ZvT.The new WM style.They are used to A-move into the Marine/Siege tank line and win trading units one after another.Now its impossible.Tanks are visible,mines not.You need Overseers and many of them(Zergs) just dont make them.After 15 min they abandon Mutas.Now Terran beginn with the heavy drops and they forget to defend their hatcheries.Why? Same was with TargA.Nice 15 min and later only building Ultralisks awaiting to reach victory only building them,but the harass and drops by Shuttle were soo good.You need mutalisk,spores and spine to defend.No more BL+winfestor and Zergs are once again crying...At least in KR the things are pretty even.Still dont understand why are Protoss so bad represented....
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On April 19 2013 18:29 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2013 16:33 Ghanburighan wrote:
Hilarious how pretty much the same zergs balance whine with impunity all over TL. The funny thing is, if you take out the Koreans, there are still more European zergs in the premier competition (9) than European terrans (8). Perhaps you should whine that Korean zergs are not participating in the European scene as much as the Korean terrans (oh, wait. There are also more Code S zerg (12) than terrans (11).)
This is where I need Incontrol for the voice-over: ''Now that zergs are not winning ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING, the game is broken''. Only because they were invited. We will see how it will all look after first season. Does anyone know if WCS EU follows same rule as Code S, as in only top 8 stay in Code S and rest need to battle it out with Challenger League players?
Googling that for you reveals that yes, only 8 stay in Code S, the rest drop down to Challenger (16 from first group stage) (8 from second group stage). Explanatory graph
I heartily agree that we should see how it will look after the first season, rather than whine immediately.
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I'm a little sad though for TargA, who lost in the last deciding round to Shuttle to not qualify, XlorD, who has been dominating the german scene this year and barely didn't make it as well, and finally for WhiteRa. Everyone loves WhiteRa.
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On April 19 2013 18:25 aTcho wrote:
People should stop complaining about the current balance of the game at such a high level.
But I am afraid it is true that zergs are having a rough time in the current state of the game and it seems slightly easier for the terran players now with the new units.
REALLY?
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On April 19 2013 18:53 Cirqueenflex wrote:
I'm a little sad though for TargA, who lost in the last deciding round to Shuttle to not qualify, XlorD, who has been dominating the german scene this year and barely didn't make it as well, and finally for WhiteRa. Everyone loves WhiteRa.
There are still Code A qualifiers, with 8 spots up for grasp, so not all hope is lost yet! 
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WoOOHH MAH MAN SHUTTLE CLARITY GAMING WHATUP!!
+ Show Spoiler +
yeah
I'm happy bout that. A lot.
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On April 19 2013 18:49 Dvriel wrote:
I was so impressed no Zerg quilified through the brackets!!! The issue is their ZvT.The new WM style.They are used to A-move into the Marine/Siege tank line and win trading units one after another.Now its impossible.Tanks are visible,mines not.You need Overseers and many of them(Zergs) just dont make them.After 15 min they abandon Mutas.Now Terran beginn with the heavy drops and they forget to defend their hatcheries.Why? Same was with TargA.Nice 15 min and later only building Ultralisks awaiting to reach victory only building them,but the harass and drops by Shuttle were soo good.You need mutalisk,spores and spine to defend.No more BL+winfestor and Zergs are once again crying...At least in KR the things are pretty even.Still dont understand why are Protoss so bad represented....
About big engagements : A lot of zergs is trying to flank, snipe mines with mutas, detonate clumps of mines with 3 banelings. At the same time you have to keep up your macro and injects plus ideally creep spread. And imagine that drop hits at 2 places at once during push which is standard. Now when you look at drop location just for a moment you will miss exact locations of burrowed mines. At some point you have to just attack position or sack your expansion. In WOL zergs had possibilities to counterattack, now with mines and hellbats counter is a lot less likely to do enough damage. Only after tier 3 and ultralisk tech you can trade with mine based army.
Overseer are extremly slow even with speed upgrade, decent terrans snipe them and have low vision range. If you take overseer with flock of mutas he will be vulnurable or you slow whole clump to overseer speed. There is possiblity for overseer to die to 2 mine hits if u move him just slightly behind max vision range. And all this for cost of 1 roach.
About metagame: Terrans realized that after 2-3 cost effective engagements they can simply rally units and overpower zergs. They have two most cost effective units in game, best mineral sink and unlimited mules due to new greedy builds. People praise Life but bust timing will be figured eventually. Meanwhile terrans are getting better with mine placement and incorporate hellbats to counter ling flocks. Without balance patch i am willing to bet even in Korea TvZ will become problem.
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On April 19 2013 18:47 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2013 18:29 -Archangel- wrote:On April 19 2013 16:33 Ghanburighan wrote:
Hilarious how pretty much the same zergs balance whine with impunity all over TL. The funny thing is, if you take out the Koreans, there are still more European zergs in the premier competition (9) than European terrans (8). Perhaps you should whine that Korean zergs are not participating in the European scene as much as the Korean terrans (oh, wait. There are also more Code S zerg (12) than terrans (11).)
This is where I need Incontrol for the voice-over: ''Now that zergs are not winning ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING, the game is broken''. Only because they were invited. We will see how it will all look after first season. Does anyone know if WCS EU follows same rule as Code S, as in only top 8 stay in Code S and rest need to battle it out with Challenger League players? http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/9496789/WCS_2013_Format_Players_Prizes_and_Points-4_16_2013
Tnx for the link.
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But how are we supposed to QQ about how imba Zerg is now?
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After these kind of threads, i had come to the conclussion that protoss players are the nicest guys in the scene. I mean, they are normally underpopulated, but they are not crying for balance every other post.
Congrats to the qualified, was a hell of a run. I can't wait for the premier to begin :D
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On April 19 2013 19:40 Godwrath wrote:
After these kind of threads, i had come to the conclussion that protoss players are the nicest guys in the scene. I mean, they are normally underpopulated, but they are not crying for balance every other post.
Congrats to the qualified, was a hell of a run. I can't wait for the premier to begin :D
How long will it take before mass "sad zealot" threads will pop up?
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On April 19 2013 19:40 Godwrath wrote:
After these kind of threads, i had come to the conclussion that protoss players are the nicest guys in the scene. I mean, they are normally underpopulated, but they are not crying for balance every other post.
Hahahah, That was a nice joke.
The qualifiers were pretty fun, I hope the NA ones will be good.
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shuttle should choose a new name....less confusing and he will never reach greatness of original :p
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On April 19 2013 20:09 Snowbear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2013 19:40 Godwrath wrote:
After these kind of threads, i had come to the conclussion that protoss players are the nicest guys in the scene. I mean, they are normally underpopulated, but they are not crying for balance every other post.
Congrats to the qualified, was a hell of a run. I can't wait for the premier to begin :D How long will it take before mass "sad zealot" threads will pop up?
Isn't there already one. Or kind off 
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On April 19 2013 19:40 Godwrath wrote:
After these kind of threads, i had come to the conclussion that protoss players are the nicest guys in the scene. I mean, they are normally underpopulated, but they are not crying for balance every other post.
Congrats to the qualified, was a hell of a run. I can't wait for the premier to begin :D
"Why Zerg so OP 8+ page thread on toss section of bnet SC2 forums" seems to disagree with that.
Either way congrats to both who qualified. As far no Zerg someone already said that most of best zergs are already seeded.
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On April 19 2013 19:24 DavoS wrote:
But how are we supposed to QQ about how imba Zerg is now?
we watch the Koreans ! + Show Spoiler +San is the new God now and doesn't count !
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On April 19 2013 19:40 Godwrath wrote:
After these kind of threads, i had come to the conclussion that protoss players are the nicest guys in the scene. I mean, they are normally underpopulated, but they are not crying for balance every other post.
Congrats to the qualified, was a hell of a run. I can't wait for the premier to begin :D
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267497
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On April 19 2013 18:58 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2013 18:53 Cirqueenflex wrote:
I'm a little sad though for TargA, who lost in the last deciding round to Shuttle to not qualify, XlorD, who has been dominating the german scene this year and barely didn't make it as well, and finally for WhiteRa. Everyone loves WhiteRa. There are still Code A qualifiers, with 8 spots up for grasp, so not all hope is lost yet!
16 spots
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I think zergs are just struggling because they've been broodlording their way to victory for so many months they forgot everything else, its like relearning how to do everything else at a high level again, they're still capable, just need practice, wheras the other races have been doing different things all the time anyway.
/WoL BL era bitch out.
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