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Nice new formatting
Honestly, I used to be a big fan of the predictions made by Aligulac. And I guess that it works mostly very well.
But I don't think that the rankings currently make much sense. The cross-region gap is simple still too strong for the algorithms to handle currently. Yes, ForGG crushes the european scene again and again. But in no way is he ranked 6th in the world. Same thing applies for all the strong Koreans in non-KR regions.
The good thing is that 95% of the matches are correctly predicted, because 95% of the matches are between players of a same region. And I have 100% confidence in the fact that Innovation trounces EU. But I am highly unsure that Innovation currently deserves his spot as #1 player in the world while soo languishes at #28
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This new look is going to be hard to get used to. Not saying I don't like it, its just different.
On July 01 2014 05:11 fezvez wrote:
But I don't think that the rankings currently make much sense. The cross-region gap is simple still too strong for the algorithms to handle currently. Yes, ForGG crushes the european scene again and again. But in no way is he ranked 6th in the world. Same thing applies for all the strong Koreans in non-KR regions.
The good thing is that 95% of the matches are correctly predicted, because 95% of the matches are between players of a same region. And I have 100% confidence in the fact that Innovation trounces EU. But I am highly unsure that Innovation currently deserves his spot as #1 player in the world while soo languishes at #28
I cant think of an easy way to fix this, because players like soO rarely play outside of GSL and Proleague, so they are always facing the top of the top competition. So soO isnt going to win all his matchs, so he wont gain points quickly, even if you weighted those matchs higher. When Inno goes 28-4 in ATC, he gains a ton of points because hes not losing, regardless of how much those matchs are worth. Same thing with KingKong in the SEA scene, or jjakji and ForGG in EU. Unless there was a limit on if you can gain points off people dramatically lower rated than you. That would make it so KingKong cant get a 1950 rating by smashing people rated 1100 all day.
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We are aware of these issues and we are in fact working on a method of fixing them. However we run internal tests on the entire DB to see the results and so far we haven't found a solution we are happy with.
We are not gonna change the entire method of calculation before we are certain the new method is an improvement, but trust me we are working on it.
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On June 01 2014 09:20 submarine wrote:
I look at your lists from time to time and noticed lately that the number of TvTs drops quite hard compared to the other mirrors. Terran representation seems to drop of in rated games.
Would it be possible to add a few more balance related stats to your page?
The race distribution in recorded games can be calculated quite easily with the stats provided in your Lists (Sum of the games with the race against another race + mirror counted twice devided by the total number of games *2).
For List 111 for example terran is at 24.2%, toss at 32.8% and zerg 43.0%.
(The total number for games is off BTW!!; its 2086 not 2053)
It would be quite interesting to have a plot similar to the winrates over time with race distribution instead.
It would also be nice to see how many players from each race are active in each "list period".
A value for "recorded games per active player" for each race might also indicate how far certain races make it on average in tournaments.
Just some food for thought :D
Hey, sorry.
Yeah, this is a good idea. I've made an issue for it. We've been busy with a few other things lately though.
On July 01 2014 05:11 fezvez wrote:
Nice new formatting
Honestly, I used to be a big fan of the predictions made by Aligulac. And I guess that it works mostly very well.
But I don't think that the rankings currently make much sense. The cross-region gap is simple still too strong for the algorithms to handle currently. Yes, ForGG crushes the european scene again and again. But in no way is he ranked 6th in the world. Same thing applies for all the strong Koreans in non-KR regions.
The good thing is that 95% of the matches are correctly predicted, because 95% of the matches are between players of a same region. And I have 100% confidence in the fact that Innovation trounces EU. But I am highly unsure that Innovation currently deserves his spot as #1 player in the world while soo languishes at #28
Like the other two are saying, there's not really an obvious way to solve this problem, and most of the non-obvious ones turns out to be less effective than you might think. We have a number of prototype systems but they're not near production quality, really.
Like you say, a healthy dose of skepticism is warranted.
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I personally liked the old look of the site better, but the new one seems okay too.
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This might be too much computation, but I think it would be cool if you simulated a player playing every other player in long series, and then ranking the players on the estimated number of wins, or a weighted score based on how likely they are to win.
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Hey, can we have the option of choosing between the old look and the new one? I don't know anything about web design, but that wouldn't be too much of an issue I don't think
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On July 03 2014 14:07 CrazyPieGuy wrote:
This might be too much computation, but I think it would be cool if you simulated a player playing every other player in long series, and then ranking the players on the estimated number of wins, or a weighted score based on how likely they are to win.
This seems a bit redundant, because the predictions are based on the ratings, which already are ranked.
On July 04 2014 07:11 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Hey, can we have the option of choosing between the old look and the new one? I don't know anything about web design, but that wouldn't be too much of an issue I don't think
I'm afraid not, we made a lot of changes to make it easier for us to develop new features. It would be better if you could post any suggestions you have of possible improvements.
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Hello . . . I have noticed that after you select the rankings, and then select current if you select the 2nd page, it has another 1-40 ranking instead of 41-80 :D and Holy Sh*t TaeJa ^^
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When I'm on the prediction page and I take for example ruin and there is a possible confusion, I can no longer just click on the suggested players.
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Dominican Republic627 Posts
with the previous version i was able to navigate on my work this web page, but now i cant see the menu at all...
can you fix that please? i mean in my work many page are blocked, this one with the previous version was fine but now i cant see any thing just the main page.
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On July 05 2014 05:35 Greenei wrote:
When I'm on the prediction page and I take for example ruin and there is a possible confusion, I can no longer just click on the suggested players.
Noted.
On July 05 2014 05:58 SC2BF3Love wrote:
with the previous version i was able to navigate on my work this web page, but now i cant see the menu at all...
can you fix that please? i mean in my work many page are blocked, this one with the previous version was fine but now i cant see any thing just the main page.
Can you elaborate? The menu isn't visible at all? Can you take a screen shot and upload?
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On July 05 2014 05:58 SC2BF3Love wrote:
with the previous version i was able to navigate on my work this web page, but now i cant see the menu at all...
can you fix that please? i mean in my work many page are blocked, this one with the previous version was fine but now i cant see any thing just the main page.
Are you sure you completely refreshed the page? You might have an issue with cached files.
Try Ctrl+F5!
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United States33701 Posts
nice facelift! even sexier than before
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I'll create an issue on Github. Seems to happen whenever you filter out enough players to b left with 3 or less pages of players.
Pigbaby's ratings haven't been recomputed after beating Bomber, so I'm not entirely sure...
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I pushed a bunch of fixes now. Please file an issue report if I missed something. Things piled up over the weekend and I'm not sure if I caught all reports because they're all here, on Skype in 50 million different conversations or on Github, where they're supposed to be  .
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Nice Job on Finally getting that Ranking 1-40 duplicate thing fixed. Took you long enough  
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