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Gatesleeper
Canada300 Posts
On March 15 2013 18:24 Rachnar wrote: maybe, but this guy is still right. it's like Star Wars, some people just are like EWOKS WTF ARE THESE THINGS DOING HERE? some people hate them, some don't, what can you change about it? This is a very nihilistic approach to things. | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
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cerebralz
United States443 Posts
I didn't think it was an excellently told story. However, it wasn't crap like most people on this thread are saying. I wish they had held back more intel on the Xelnaga. I wish the confrontation with Narud was more satisfactory. I wish that the game wasn't so noob friendly. Noobs, however, are numerous, and move a lot of game units. The core fans will cry, but will buy the game anyway. If they make the game explicitly for core fans, 80% or more will be alienated. Remember, of the thousands that are on teamliquid and reddit, there are millions of casual fans. This game is sort of like the summer blockbuster movies. Fun, exciting, kinda brain dead, but you expect it. If we want better overall experiences, what we need to do is change the target audience into all 80-90% core fans. Only then will the product be measurably different. | ||
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Roblin
Sweden948 Posts
On March 15 2013 18:19 Gatesleeper wrote: If I had a penny for every time someone has pulled out this terrible argument to defend a story, I would have enough money to hire a team of writers and programmers to make an alternate version of Starcraft II that doesn't suck. Then I could play that game, forget this one ever existed, and live happily ever after. Too bad nobody actually has that much money to go and make a game like that. Well, except for mega profitable video game companies like Activision Blizzard, which has a revenue in the billions. But of course that's terribly "unrealistic" of me to expect a company like that to produce a good story in a video game. I see flaws but liked it anyway, I have not yet seen a movie, read a book, played a game, read a comic or heard a fairytale where I have never seen a flaw. For the record, I have read a lot of books, seen a lot of movies, played a lot of games, read a lot of comics and when I was a child my mother told me many fairytales. I never said it was unrealistic to expect blizzard to make a story you liked, if you were the lead director i'm pretty sure you would have liked the end result, and the 50% of the players that like what you like would also enjoy the story, but what about the other 50%? they would dislike it as passionately as you dislike it today. it is unrealistic to expect a story to appeal to everyone, but if a person makes a story that he/she likes, then odds are there will be tons of people that like it, and tons of people that don't. tldr: it is not unrealistic to expect a story that someone likes, but it is unrealistic to expect a story that everyone likes. you just happened to be in the group that didn't like it. tough luck, live with it. | ||
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DaveVAH
Canada162 Posts
On March 15 2013 07:20 gaymon wrote: #Zoomacroom absolutely cringeworthy story as i already said in the other thread What a cliche and cringworthy response. I bet you never read any books otherwise you would see the value in HOTS. The story was far from cringworthy and the ending was ranging from bitter sweet to heart-wrenching. Definitely not cliche and much better than wings. | ||
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
On March 15 2013 18:38 cerebralz wrote: Bottom line is if you don't like it, don't buy it. Don't play it. Make your own game. The best protest hits a company in the wallet, not crying on forums. That argument doesn't work here. How do you know you wont like it if you don't buy it? You're perfectly free to give your opinion on a product you bought. If you think it's bad, you will say it's bad. And just because one part of the game was good doesn't make the entire game good, and vice versa. You could have liked the campaign gameplay and thought the story was shit, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't call the story shit. | ||
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gh0un
601 Posts
They didn´t do the starcraft lore any justice with this bullcrap, like not even remotely close. The only good thing that came out of WoL/HotS is the part where it is shown that the overmind had created kerrigan in order to have a way to counter the xel naga, but somehow this was ditched and never built upon. The story is herping on mengsk the whole time, even though the mengsk stuff was pretty much resolved back in BW. The mengsk storyline should have been finished up in WoL the latest (and just as a sidestory), instead it turned into the main story for both games, and the story was lame as hell anyways. I gave up on Blizzard after the D3/sc2 fiasco, and only watched HotS cinematics on the interwebs to catch up with the story. Blizzard sucks and i will never pay a dime again for one of their games and i am very glad that i did not buy HotS. | ||
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Gatesleeper
Canada300 Posts
On March 15 2013 18:38 cerebralz wrote: Bottom line is if you don't like it, don't buy it. Don't play it. Make your own game. The best protest hits a company in the wallet, not crying on forums. Everyone here that didn't like it only knew that after they bought and played it. This argument, that if you don't like a given product, simply don't buy it, works for most things. I've never bought a copy of Twilight or a movie ticket for a Nicolas Sparks film, because I think I know enough about those things to know they're not worth my time or money. Same goes for the thousands of bad movies, books, and albums, and video games that are produced and released every year. I know that the newest Resident Evil movie is a piece of shit and I don't need to watch it. I don't go on the imdb boards and complain about how bad it is. That's partly because I haven't watched it, and I'm not too keen on the idea of going out of your way to bash something you haven't actually read/watched/listened to yourself, but I think I know enough about the movie (the series, the director, from browsing reviews, etc.) to know that it's not for me. I just ignore it, and hope it goes away. And that works most of the time (For me that is, as in I never have to hear about it or talk about it. For whatever reason, they just keep making them). But that strategy doesn't apply here, because I, along with almost everyone else on this forum, am invested into Starcraft. I'm a Blizzard/Starcraft fanboy, I preorderd HotS, I didn't wait for reviews to come out before deciding on whether or not I should buy it, it's something I did automatically. Because I know when I buy a Blizzard game, I'm buying quality. Or at least, that's what I used to think. So I guess your answer to my dilemma would be, "don't buy Legacy of the Void then." That's something I haven't even considered until now. Like I said, for me, buying Starcraft games is an automatic decision. But now that I've played HotS, thought about it, discussed it with other people, read a lot of opinions, then you know what, not purchasing the next expansion begins to seem like a sound plan. | ||
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NightOfTheDead
Lithuania1711 Posts
1. Kerrigan says she doesnt remember being QoB, proceeds with furious rage to attack Zeratul on sight. Even if she had the memories, no way she hates Zeratul more than anything else, it is the other way around. Just stupid. 2. WoL story was meaningless, except for protoss part. Everything got reset. 3. Why 2 chapters are only about killing fking Mengsk? And nothing else going on on the side, except for some dark voice babling for 2 seconds. Mengsk was nothing at the end of Brood War, just a pawn in grand scheme of things. There were much more stuff going on around. 4. Duran having lived for millenia comes up as total imbecile, havent done anything rather than creating few hybrids. Sure i loved Kerrigan destroying him, but so much character development for nothing? 5. Many storylines from BW just plain forgotten, every character in Sc2 is totally different that they were in BW. Dumbed down at best, and just plain stupid at worst. 6. Complex universe from BW is gone. Everything revolves around go, fetch, kill. | ||
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BurgerFreak
Denmark37 Posts
On March 15 2013 18:56 Gatesleeper wrote: Everyone here that didn't like it only knew that after they bought and played it. This argument, that if you don't like a given product, simply don't buy it, works for most things. I've never bought a copy of Twilight or a movie ticket for a Nicolas Sparks film, because I think I know enough about those things to know they're not worth my time or money. Same goes for the thousands of bad movies, books, and albums, and video games that are produced and released every year. I know that the newest Resident Evil movie is a piece of shit and I don't need to watch it. I don't go on the imdb boards and complain about how bad it is. That's partly because I haven't watched it, and I'm not too keen on the idea of going out of your way to bash something you haven't actually read/watched/listened to yourself, but I think I know enough about the movie (the series, the director, from browsing reviews, etc.) to know that it's not for me. I just ignore it, and hope it goes away. And that works most of the time (For me that is, as in I never have to hear about it or talk about it. For whatever reason, they just keep making them). But that strategy doesn't apply here, because I, along with almost everyone else on this forum, am invested into Starcraft. I'm a Blizzard/Starcraft fanboy, I preorderd HotS, I didn't wait for reviews to come out before deciding on whether or not I should buy it, it's something I did automatically. Because I know when I buy a Blizzard game, I'm buying quality. Or at least, that's what I used to think. So I guess your answer to my dilemma would be, "don't buy Legacy of the Void then." That's something I haven't even considered until now. Like I said, for me, buying Starcraft games is an automatic decision. But now that I've played HotS, thought about it, discussed it with other people, read a lot of opinions, then you know what, not purchasing the next expansion begins to seem like a sound plan. Good post my friend. I agree wholeheartely. Plus, the multiplayer side of the game is AWESOME. Best RTS in the world. So... it's a shame that the singleplayer portion of the game has been ... I won't say "neglected" because I know they care about it at Blizzard, they really do.. but they just chose wrong directions and decisions going into the storytelling and writing of the 2nd installment of Starcraft... in my opinion anyway. An interesting insight into the thought process and discussions surrounding the story of Starcraft 2 could have been cool to watch, internally at Blizzard. Metzen said several times, that they debated the story ALOT... but ultimately it came down to what it did... sadly. | ||
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Gatesleeper
Canada300 Posts
On March 15 2013 18:40 Roblin wrote: I see flaws but liked it anyway, I have not yet seen a movie, read a book, played a game, read a comic or heard a fairytale where I have never seen a flaw. For the record, I have read a lot of books, seen a lot of movies, played a lot of games, read a lot of comics and when I was a child my mother told me many fairytales. I never said it was unrealistic to expect blizzard to make a story you liked, if you were the lead director i'm pretty sure you would have liked the end result, and the 50% of the players that like what you like would also enjoy the story, but what about the other 50%? they would dislike it as passionately as you dislike it today. it is unrealistic to expect a story to appeal to everyone, but if a person makes a story that he/she likes, then odds are there will be tons of people that like it, and tons of people that don't. tldr: it is not unrealistic to expect a story that someone likes, but it is unrealistic to expect a story that everyone likes. you just happened to be in the group that didn't like it. tough luck, live with it. You present it like it's a 50/50 situation though. If Blizzard had made the game I wanted, do you think there would actually be a large portion of people here complaining about things like: "The narrative was too grand and sweeping, the plot was too complex and layered! I wanted a simplistic story with a predictable arc." "There wasn't enough development of the Raynor/Kerrigan love story, I really wanted that! They never even kissed, what a ripoff." "The villains in this game were too morally ambiguous and emotionally complex, I really like my bad guys to twirl their moustaches when they tie the lady to the train tracks." "There was too much exploration of the Protoss in this game. I thought this was supposed to be the Sarah Kerrigan expansion, I think it should've focused 95% of the time on what she was doing." "There weren't enough psionic laser battles." And this one has nothing to do with the story, but I couldn't resist: "This game was too hard. I tried to play it on Brutal on my first try and couldn't get past the third mission! I know the default difficulty is Normal and that there is even an intermediary difficulty called Hard, but the hardest difficulty in a game should not be that hard!" What a world that would be, I sincerely hope it's not ours. | ||
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Vintlocke
Netherlands18 Posts
On March 15 2013 18:58 NightOfTheDead wrote: Story and all the hard work of BW character development was pretty much butchered. 1. Kerrigan says she doesnt remember being QoB, proceeds with furious rage to attack Zeratul on sight. Even if she had the memories, no way she hates Zeratul more than anything else, it is the other way around. Just stupid. 2. WoL story was meaningless, except for protoss part. Everything got reset. 3. Why 2 chapters are only about killing fking Mengsk? And nothing else going on on the side, except for some dark voice babling for 2 seconds. Mengsk was nothing at the end of Brood War, just a pawn in grand scheme of things. There were much more stuff going on around. 4. Duran having lived for millenia comes up as total imbecile, havent done anything rather than creating few hybrids. Sure i loved Kerrigan destroying him, but so much character development for nothing? 5. Many storylines from BW just plain forgotten, every character in Sc2 is totally different that they were in BW. 6. Complex universe from BW is gone. Everything revolves around go, fetch, kill. Everything got reset? I guess you mean besides that minor part where she got cleansed from Amon's "taint". Oh, and the part where the energy released during that cleansing was used to resurrect Amon? Oh, and where Kerrigan got a more human character, which is er... basically the entire foundation the HoTS story is build upon? Useless WoL story man GG Blizz... =/ Bash the story all you want, but when you are saying WoL is meaningless that is simply not true. | ||
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DaveVAH
Canada162 Posts
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NVRLand
Sweden203 Posts
From what I've understood the LotV campaign will focus on the protoss (finally :D) and Zeratul will presumably be the main character. However, from the ending of HotS I got the impression that Kerrigen still has a lot of "story" left. She said that SHE has to destroy Amon. The leaked ending cinematic was way more "Now we're done with Kerrigan, cause the swarm is free" but in the final cinematic she doesn't free the swarm, just says that she has to destroy Amon. Do you think it might be possible that Legacy of the Void won't be Zeratulish? As a lot of people pointed out in this thread, Blizzard seems to focus more on the Raynor + Kerrigan story than the "Oh shit, what will happen to the universe" story. Ending Kerrigan + Raynor story with a campaign where you play a totally different character seems... odd. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On March 15 2013 19:15 Vintlocke wrote: Everything got reset? I guess you mean besides that minor part where she got cleansed from Amon's "taint". Oh, and the part where the energy released during that cleansing was used to resurrect Amon? Oh, and where Kerrigan got a more human character, which is er... basically the entire foundation the HoTS story is build upon? Useless WoL story man GG Blizz... =/ Bash the story all you want, but when you are saying WoL is meaningless that is simply not true. Maybe I forgot something, but I didn't knew she was under Amon's taint to begin with. But the sentenced was misphrased indeed, it should've been "Everything we fought for got reset". | ||
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blug
Australia623 Posts
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Spidinko
Slovakia1174 Posts
On March 15 2013 07:53 GreyKnight wrote: It is if you think it can stop things. People insult racists don't they? What the fuck did I just read? It makes more sense to insult people like you as you share more similarities with racists. You just discriminate because of taste. | ||
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sushiman
Sweden2691 Posts
On March 15 2013 19:16 DaveVAH wrote: So much elitism and Adult pretension in this thread. I suspect many of you folks have never actually read any quality books so you cant compare. Like the song of ice and fire series for one. HOTS story was steller and the majority of early reviews on amazon and Metacritic agree, stop acting like bashing stories make you stand out or cool because it doesn't. What shit are you reading? HOTS doesn't hold a candle to good books; try reading some classical litterature and see how character development and plot twists doesn't have to be ridiculously predictable. | ||
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Gatesleeper
Canada300 Posts
On March 15 2013 19:15 Vintlocke wrote: Everything got reset? I guess you mean besides that minor part where she got cleansed from Amon's "taint". Oh, and the part where the energy released during that cleansing was used to resurrect Amon? This plot point was so weak and terrible and artlessly shoehorned in that I had actually repressed my memory of it until you brought it up. thanks. | ||
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Gatesleeper
Canada300 Posts
On March 15 2013 19:16 DaveVAH wrote: So much elitism and Adult pretension in this thread. I suspect many of you folks have never actually read any quality books so you cant compare. Like the song of ice and fire series for one. HOTS story was steller and the majority of early reviews on amazon and Metacritic agree, stop acting like bashing stories make you stand out or cool because it doesn't. This is such a classic post, thank you for this bit of satire. | ||
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