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On March 01 2013 03:29 -IeZaeL- wrote:lol... people flaming Stephano for this....hahahaha nice ignorants  . IEM : More money + 3 days GSL: Less money + harder + a couple of months Pick one 
It's not always about money.
Or, ok, if you want to see it just in terms of short term money then yes, its better to be a big fish in a small pond and earn some cash from there.
But, in the long term, if he wants to compete to be the best (and, therefore, earn a LOT more money from prizes, wage and sponsor), he will have to take the risk some time.
He will never reach a GSL level if he don't play GSL, it's simply as that. No risk, no glory.
Edit: also, he doesn't have a guaranteed chance to get a big price! 1) because it's HotS, and 2) because there are some very good players like Mvp or MC.
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On March 01 2013 04:37 TmzZ666 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 04:23 jinorazi wrote:On March 01 2013 04:18 Eury wrote:On March 01 2013 04:15 opterown wrote:On March 01 2013 04:13 bduddy wrote:
It's not like the two tournaments are at the same time... Stephano's U/D group is early Monday (the first one... and people complain about GOM?) and his IEM group isn't until Thursday. He could get on a plane Monday night in Korea and still have at least a whole day in Germany before his IEM games begin... Not too much sympathy from me, sorry, and the fact that this keeps happening should be embarrassing to the foreign community. Whether you like Huk or not, at least he stuck it out... this is the main reason i'm slightly annoyed at stephano; if it did clash, then cool, but not like this i guess You do understand that most people don't book plane tickets and hotel just a week in advance, right? professionals aren't most people tbh Basicly this, EG should not be cheap on this and rebook his flight. Anyways GL Stephano!
I think IEM pays the plane ticket.
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This makes sense. Would have been stupid not to imo.
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On March 01 2013 04:35 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 04:21 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 04:15 Dingodile wrote:On March 01 2013 04:10 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 04:05 Dingodile wrote:On March 01 2013 03:59 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 03:54 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On March 01 2013 03:32 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 03:12 ZeRoX-45 wrote:
This is disgrace...They invited him and gave code s spot, which many progamers from Korea have to earn and he disrispected them by dropping from UnD matches because of 5 times "easier" tournament. I would ban him forever from GSL for this. They should ban Rain too, and Grubby for skipping out on their matches for other events. Its disgrace that these players don't just drop everything when GSL sets their match on the same day as another event. They should play in their qualifying matches for GSL and forfit the events where they would win real money. We all know that qualifying for the GSL is more important than anything. HE shouldnt accept invitation in that case. Naniwa or Huk never forfeited their matches. And Rain never should have tried to qualify if he wasn't going to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Same with Grubby. They should be banned forever and never allowed in GSL for leaving. They should walk to the other side of the street if they see a GSL player or caster, head bowed in shame. If Huk forfits a match because he is going to his own wedding, banned for life. You play every single game, that is how passion works. Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding. Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL. The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC. That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future. "Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?" too bad stephano could have played in both if he moved his flight a few hours lol
Yeah, with amazing jetlag and lack of practice. And we all know how well people play when they are jetlagged. But, hey know you, GOM gives you less than 5 days notice, just change your flight ACROSS THE WORLD and play in their U&D match. I am sure there is another flight to IEM in a few hours. International flights are like taxis right? On demand.
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On March 01 2013 04:38 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 04:30 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:On March 01 2013 04:28 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 04:22 Cokefreak wrote:On March 01 2013 04:21 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 04:15 Dingodile wrote:On March 01 2013 04:10 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 04:05 Dingodile wrote:On March 01 2013 03:59 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 03:54 ZeRoX-45 wrote:
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HE shouldnt accept invitation in that case. Naniwa or Huk never forfeited their matches. And Rain never should have tried to qualify if he wasn't going to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Same with Grubby. They should be banned forever and never allowed in GSL for leaving. They should walk to the other side of the street if they see a GSL player or caster, head bowed in shame. If Huk forfits a match because he is going to his own wedding, banned for life. You play every single game, that is how passion works. Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding. Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL. The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC. That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future. "Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?" Yes but why should GOM be the one shuffling their schedule around and not IEM? Because they set their dates today. TODAY. Not last month or the month before that. Today. They set their U&D matches to be held on the same week as the EIM World Championship TODAY. That is like setting a figure skating event the same week as the winter olympics, one week before the olympics. um i dont think they waited until today to schedule them. they were probably scheduled ahead of time and only announced once the player distribution was set. they probably decided there was no point in saying "up and down matches will be held on these days" before they even knew which group the players were in and when they're playing I don't think it really matters when GOM figured out the dates, what matters is the date they told everyone else. Let me put it another way, they provided him with less than 5 days notice of his match. What if he had decided to go out to IEM early and stop and see his family in France? 5 days notice is not enough notice for anything.
I agree with that but ocnsidering the round of 24 just ended a few days ago there's not a whole lot of more time they have. plus it probably doesnt matter too much(normally) cause 99 percent of he players are going to be available and if there's a major tournament that interferes with multiple players gom does reschedule when possible. plus there's also percievedfairness. gom already gives foreigner seeds, it might look bad if they started rearranging their entire schedules for 1 player.
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On March 01 2013 04:37 wklbishop wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 04:24 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 01 2013 04:22 Cokefreak wrote:On March 01 2013 04:21 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 04:15 Dingodile wrote:On March 01 2013 04:10 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 04:05 Dingodile wrote:On March 01 2013 03:59 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 03:54 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On March 01 2013 03:32 Plansix wrote:
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They should ban Rain too, and Grubby for skipping out on their matches for other events. Its disgrace that these players don't just drop everything when GSL sets their match on the same day as another event. They should play in their qualifying matches for GSL and forfit the events where they would win real money. We all know that qualifying for the GSL is more important than anything. HE shouldnt accept invitation in that case. Naniwa or Huk never forfeited their matches. And Rain never should have tried to qualify if he wasn't going to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Same with Grubby. They should be banned forever and never allowed in GSL for leaving. They should walk to the other side of the street if they see a GSL player or caster, head bowed in shame. If Huk forfits a match because he is going to his own wedding, banned for life. You play every single game, that is how passion works. Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding. Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL. The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC. That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future. "Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?" Yes but why should GOM be the one shuffling their schedule around and not IEM? because GOM made their schedule months and months after IEM did. Didn't you notice last week on SotG when Artosis said they didn't even know the dates for the next GSL season yet? While IEM has had their entire season building up to this and its been known for months. Isn't Stephano's group right before his Proleague match? I was under the impression that GOM got the news that Stephano would be playing proleague that day and they scheduled him to play at 11:10 KST which is significantly earlier than usual and earlier than Proleague. I mean... GOM messing up is one thing, but this sounds more like a systematic mix-up. Of course, I'm guessing so I could totally be wrong.
Wait, that's a good point. Why the hell was he entered into the Proleague line-up?
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On March 01 2013 04:38 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 04:30 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:On March 01 2013 04:28 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 04:22 Cokefreak wrote:On March 01 2013 04:21 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 04:15 Dingodile wrote:On March 01 2013 04:10 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 04:05 Dingodile wrote:On March 01 2013 03:59 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 03:54 ZeRoX-45 wrote:
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HE shouldnt accept invitation in that case. Naniwa or Huk never forfeited their matches. And Rain never should have tried to qualify if he wasn't going to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Same with Grubby. They should be banned forever and never allowed in GSL for leaving. They should walk to the other side of the street if they see a GSL player or caster, head bowed in shame. If Huk forfits a match because he is going to his own wedding, banned for life. You play every single game, that is how passion works. Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding. Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL. The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC. That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future. "Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?" Yes but why should GOM be the one shuffling their schedule around and not IEM? Because they set their dates today. TODAY. Not last month or the month before that. Today. They set their U&D matches to be held on the same week as the EIM World Championship TODAY. That is like setting a figure skating event the same week as the winter olympics, one week before the olympics. um i dont think they waited until today to schedule them. they were probably scheduled ahead of time and only announced once the player distribution was set. they probably decided there was no point in saying "up and down matches will be held on these days" before they even knew which group the players were in and when they're playing I don't think it really matters when GOM figured out the dates, what matters is the date they told everyone else. Let me put it another way, they provided him with less than 5 days notice of his match. What if he had decided to go out to IEM early and stop and see his family in France? 5 days notice is not enough notice for anything.
too bad team managers know dates well in advance of the public
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does anyone know why gom selects dates sooo late?
if they just made the schedule in good time so much of this could be avoided
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TBH, this is a huge insult to GOM and the GSL.
They have broken their backs to give Stephano a chance to play in their league, and him, being the spoiled brat he is, decides to not show up because he feels entitled to the GSL spot.
GOM should not allow him to play next season, since he clearly doesn't give a shit about GSL in the first place.
If I was Mr. Chae and the GOM crew, I'd be really fucking pissed off right now.
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According to liquipedia, Stephano is suppose to play against SK telecom in pro league the same day (03/04). Will he forfeit his pro league game too? :-/
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On March 01 2013 04:32 ACrow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 03:18 blackone wrote:
It's sad, foreigner after foreigner, playing on a free GSL seed, drops out as soon as they see that things aren't easy. These invites are a waste, if they had to qualify like everyone else they wouldn't play if they weren't serious. Other than Jinro and HuK, nobody has really tried to set a foot in the GSL. I agree. It's time they stopped the seeds altogether.
Should've happened a while ago.
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On March 01 2013 04:44 Soma.bokforlag wrote:
does anyone know why gom selects dates sooo late?
if they just made the schedule in good time so much of this could be avoided
Stephano plays PL monday, so that schedule conflict between gom U/D and IEM is plain bs.
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On March 01 2013 03:10 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 02:56 SoOJuuu wrote:
foreigners get spots and give them up.
I bet this really frustrates korean gamers that are trying to make it.
Very disappointing in stephano. Still want the feature on TL to remove all posts with the words "disappointing", "disappointed" and "disgusted" from my review. I don't know why people are grumpy about this. Why would anyone skip out on a full event to play in a qualifying match? GSL is nice, but not worth giving up a whole other event just for the option to qualify.
I think you're missing the point bud. What he's saying is that there are quite a few Code B players who are really good and always play in these cutthroat qualifiers but can rarely pull through. GSL is getting more and more stacked, as no doubt we've all noticed, which makes the qualifiers tougher as well. What he's saying is that there are a lot of great koreans practicing a lot and trying to make it through to Code A with very little success simply because of how insanely competitive the qualifiers are, whereas Stephano gets seeded, plays, loses and then forfeits his U&D spot, which even if he lost he would still be in Code A.
That's what I think SoOJuuu was getting at. It's always been the case with GSL, although I would argue that now it's more significant than ever, considering how many good players there are (especially since the Kespa switch).
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On March 01 2013 04:38 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 04:30 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:On March 01 2013 04:28 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 04:22 Cokefreak wrote:On March 01 2013 04:21 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 04:15 Dingodile wrote:On March 01 2013 04:10 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 04:05 Dingodile wrote:On March 01 2013 03:59 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 03:54 ZeRoX-45 wrote:
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HE shouldnt accept invitation in that case. Naniwa or Huk never forfeited their matches. And Rain never should have tried to qualify if he wasn't going to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Same with Grubby. They should be banned forever and never allowed in GSL for leaving. They should walk to the other side of the street if they see a GSL player or caster, head bowed in shame. If Huk forfits a match because he is going to his own wedding, banned for life. You play every single game, that is how passion works. Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding. Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL. The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC. That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future. "Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?" Yes but why should GOM be the one shuffling their schedule around and not IEM? Because they set their dates today. TODAY. Not last month or the month before that. Today. They set their U&D matches to be held on the same week as the EIM World Championship TODAY. That is like setting a figure skating event the same week as the winter olympics, one week before the olympics. um i dont think they waited until today to schedule them. they were probably scheduled ahead of time and only announced once the player distribution was set. they probably decided there was no point in saying "up and down matches will be held on these days" before they even knew which group the players were in and when they're playing I don't think it really matters when GOM figured out the dates, what matters is the date they told everyone else. Let me put it another way, they provided him with less than 5 days notice of his match. What if he had decided to go out to IEM early and stop and see his family in France? 5 days notice is not enough notice for anything.
I really think they were assuming he was going to play Proleague since 11:10 KST is way earlier than usual groups and enough time before his proleague match on. And he was listed to play in Proleague on the lineups.
I mean he has Proleague later that same day... that means his team thought he'd be in for THAT day. That implies his team didn't know about this until recently. It could have been a miscommunication all around about when the flights would be exactly since at the very least we know EG told Proleague Stephano would be available to play on that day. And I do remember players mentioning how they had to send in their schedules to GOM.
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On March 01 2013 04:46 Gojii wrote:
According to liquipedia, Stephano is suppose to play against SK telecom in pro league the same day (03/04). Will he forfeit his pro league game too? :-/
wow, now that is irresponsible indeed
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I think most people saw this coming, still sad though, another foreigner seed "wasted"
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On March 01 2013 03:00 Jakkerr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 02:56 SoOJuuu wrote:
foreigners get spots and give them up.
I bet this really frustrates korean gamers that are trying to make it.
Very disappointing in stephano. Playing at IEM is way more interesting for Stephano than GSL.
It may also be that him playing at IEM is more important for EG.
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On March 01 2013 03:29 -IeZaeL- wrote:lol... people flaming Stephano for this....hahahaha nice ignorants . IEM : More money + 3 days GSL: Less money + harder + a couple of months Pick one
Call me an idiot but I'd pick GSL any time unless I'm truly desperate for money, which is not Stephano's case AFAIK. The benefits of growing your career by staying in a more competitive environment can't be overstated, plus there's glory to be found.
The point of him already being committed to IEM is pretty solid though, I guess it's natural for him to go considering he qualified a long ass time ago.
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On March 01 2013 04:45 Chronald wrote:
TBH, this is a huge insult to GOM and the GSL.
They have broken their backs to give Stephano a chance to play in their league, and him, being the spoiled brat he is, decides to not show up because he feels entitled to the GSL spot.
GOM should not allow him to play next season, since he clearly doesn't give a shit about GSL in the first place.
If I was Mr. Chae and the GOM crew, I'd be really fucking pissed off right now.
i dont think its that much of an insult honestly. gom probably knows in advance that the foreign players are going to prioritize foreign tournaments and not base their lives around gsl and since gom keeps giving invites they probably think its worth it to continue.
Call me an idiot but I'd pick GSL any time unless I'm truly desperate for money, which is not Stephano's case AFAIK. The benefits of growing your career by staying in a more competitive environment can't be overstated, plus there's glory to be found.
The point of him already being committed to IEM is pretty solid though, I guess it's natural for him to go considering he qualified a long ass time ago.
honestly from stephano's perspective i think it makes sense for iem. he does better at those types of tournaments he proabably wouldn't get through the up and downs(not saying he wouldnt but that he couldn't plan on getting through if that makes any snese) and iem is probably better from a marketing point. anyway gtg to class feel free to disagree sorry if this last thing isnt clear im short on time
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It's time to stop seeding foreigners I think.
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