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On March 01 2013 04:56 CornMuscles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 04:50 Dodgin wrote:
It's time to stop seeding foreigners I think. No, foreign seeds should continue. Regardless of all the scheduling hate, stephano hate, ______ hate being spewed the foreign seed needs to continue. First it lets the rest of the world continue to attempt proving that a foreigner can win in Korea's (World's) biggest and best tournament. GSL is still the gold standard, biggest feather in your cap tournament out there. That being said, GOM understands that folks not living full-time 100% in Korea will never be able to qualify through regular means. By seeding a foreigner who the esports community is hungry to see play in GSL to see if he can compete in the biggest tournament is a boon for GOM. It will probably net new subscriptions and views to their streams. Seeding foreigners grows esports, and that is good.
While there is definitely truth to what you are saying, look at it from this perspective as well:
Seeding, regardless of the tournament, means less chance for potential newcomers to affirm themselves. Again, what SoOJuuu was saying on the first page, there are a lot of koreans grinding and practicing really hard who now have even less chances of qualifying because of how stacked GSL has gotten since Kespa switching over. You must realize it's very frustrating for semipros / b-teamers / practice partners to know that even though they practice extremely hard they have a huge chance of failing to qualify for Code A because there are so many former Code A/Code S players that they must compete against, whereas white folk just get seeded.
Whether or not they are better than Stephano is not determined and cannot be determined if we can't even get to see them play in a proper GSL environment (and don't give me the "oh but if they're so good they should make it anyway" because for instance when PuMa was an absolute top terran he still couldn't make the qualifiers, and there were less good players back then too). So you know, player pool might stagnate and what not.
Just a converse viewpoint to the one you expressed.
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On March 01 2013 04:59 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 04:56 CornMuscles wrote:On March 01 2013 04:50 Dodgin wrote:
It's time to stop seeding foreigners I think. No, foreign seeds should continue. Regardless of all the scheduling hate, stephano hate, ______ hate being spewed the foreign seed needs to continue. First it lets the rest of the world continue to attempt proving that a foreigner can win in Korea's (World's) biggest and best tournament. GSL is still the gold standard, biggest feather in your cap tournament out there. That being said, GOM understands that folks not living full-time 100% in Korea will never be able to qualify through regular means. By seeding a foreigner who the esports community is hungry to see play in GSL to see if he can compete in the biggest tournament is a boon for GOM. It will probably net new subscriptions and views to their streams. Seeding foreigners grows esports, and that is good. I don't care about esports, free seeds are ruining the integrity of competition in GSL, that's more important to me than watching foreigners get beat up. If Stephano couldn't make it past the ro32 when Zerg is strong in WoL what hope is there for any other foreigner in Hots? Maybe Naniwa can qualify and make another run some day, he's still the only foreigner to go deep in GSL since 2011.
If GSL doesn't keep sponsors happy with viewer numbers and etc... what do you think will happen to the tournament. 1 free seed to a foreigner who has been placing well in foreign tournaments is not a bad thing. So Stephano didn't show ideal results. Naniwa did, was he not given that free seed, or did he qualify?
And how did Stephano ruin the integrity of competition. Did he 6-pool every game? Did he worker rush? Didn't he win one of his matches?
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On March 01 2013 05:04 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 05:02 CoR wrote:On March 01 2013 02:58 Cokefreak wrote:
Why does he not inform GOM that he isn't going to participate, I'm sure he had decided this before they released the U&D groups... perhaps because they should informed teh DAY he have to play before ? i am sure he would play if its no iem conflict ... also i saw him easy win the group but what he gets from it ? nearly nothing so sure IEM is way more weight for him hahah what he gets from a code s spot? lol
yep thats the point, winning a code S spot in a HOTS code S where he will barely win ... no IEM is way better for him and his reputation.
DONT FORGET: he said he wanna stop after 2013 right ? so he has to get all money he can ^^
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On March 01 2013 05:02 CoR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 02:58 Cokefreak wrote:
Why does he not inform GOM that he isn't going to participate, I'm sure he had decided this before they released the U&D groups... perhaps because they should informed teh DAY he have to play before ? i am sure he would play if its no iem conflict ...
Then how do you explain that stephano will play PL the next monday ? Unless he forfeits PL as well (can he? I mean it's Kespa), that GOM-IEM conflict thing is just an excuse to dodge gsl.
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On March 01 2013 04:53 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 04:42 opterown wrote:On March 01 2013 04:38 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 04:30 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:On March 01 2013 04:28 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 04:22 Cokefreak wrote:On March 01 2013 04:21 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 04:15 Dingodile wrote:On March 01 2013 04:10 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 04:05 Dingodile wrote:
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Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D
Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding. Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL. The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC. That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future. "Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?" Yes but why should GOM be the one shuffling their schedule around and not IEM? Because they set their dates today. TODAY. Not last month or the month before that. Today. They set their U&D matches to be held on the same week as the EIM World Championship TODAY. That is like setting a figure skating event the same week as the winter olympics, one week before the olympics. um i dont think they waited until today to schedule them. they were probably scheduled ahead of time and only announced once the player distribution was set. they probably decided there was no point in saying "up and down matches will be held on these days" before they even knew which group the players were in and when they're playing I don't think it really matters when GOM figured out the dates, what matters is the date they told everyone else. Let me put it another way, they provided him with less than 5 days notice of his match. What if he had decided to go out to IEM early and stop and see his family in France? 5 days notice is not enough notice for anything. too bad team managers know dates well in advance of the public You have no proof to back that up and are just making shit up. Artosis didn't know the dates for the U&D matches last week on SotG. You just want to troll and act self richeous about him forfiting a match that any other Korean player would have forfited(and likely will if they are also in IEM).
I didn't know Artosis was a manager of a team.
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On March 01 2013 05:06 CornMuscles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 04:59 Dodgin wrote:On March 01 2013 04:56 CornMuscles wrote:On March 01 2013 04:50 Dodgin wrote:
It's time to stop seeding foreigners I think. No, foreign seeds should continue. Regardless of all the scheduling hate, stephano hate, ______ hate being spewed the foreign seed needs to continue. First it lets the rest of the world continue to attempt proving that a foreigner can win in Korea's (World's) biggest and best tournament. GSL is still the gold standard, biggest feather in your cap tournament out there. That being said, GOM understands that folks not living full-time 100% in Korea will never be able to qualify through regular means. By seeding a foreigner who the esports community is hungry to see play in GSL to see if he can compete in the biggest tournament is a boon for GOM. It will probably net new subscriptions and views to their streams. Seeding foreigners grows esports, and that is good. I don't care about esports, free seeds are ruining the integrity of competition in GSL, that's more important to me than watching foreigners get beat up. If Stephano couldn't make it past the ro32 when Zerg is strong in WoL what hope is there for any other foreigner in Hots? Maybe Naniwa can qualify and make another run some day, he's still the only foreigner to go deep in GSL since 2011. If GSL doesn't keep sponsors happy with viewer numbers and etc... what do you think will happen to the tournament. 1 free seed to a foreigner who has been placing well in foreign tournaments is not a bad thing. So Stephano didn't show ideal results. Naniwa did, was he not given that free seed, or did he qualify? And how did Stephano ruin the integrity of competition. Did he 6-pool every game? Did he worker rush? Didn't he win one of his matches?
jeah ... calling youself a GLOBAL league being in korea you need to help the nonkoreans to participate, its not worth go to korea to TRY qualifing, but sometimes it is when you KNOW you get a seed so ... only possible way to do it
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On March 01 2013 05:01 Kergy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 04:56 CornMuscles wrote:On March 01 2013 04:50 Dodgin wrote:
It's time to stop seeding foreigners I think. No, foreign seeds should continue. Regardless of all the scheduling hate, stephano hate, ______ hate being spewed the foreign seed needs to continue. First it lets the rest of the world continue to attempt proving that a foreigner can win in Korea's (World's) biggest and best tournament. GSL is still the gold standard, biggest feather in your cap tournament out there. That being said, GOM understands that folks not living full-time 100% in Korea will never be able to qualify through regular means. By seeding a foreigner who the esports community is hungry to see play in GSL to see if he can compete in the biggest tournament is a boon for GOM. It will probably net new subscriptions and views to their streams. Seeding foreigners grows esports, and that is good. I dont think #esports deserve to survive if they need to rely on those kind of marketing gimmicks to do so.
Marketing is how businesses thrive. You may not like it, but it is true. eSports needs to show the potential for ROI and growth for more sponsors to come in and grow the overall business. eSports cannot rely on venture capitalists forever.
If giving away 1 seed in a tournament can vastly increase your viewers/subscribers it is worth it.
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On March 01 2013 05:06 CoR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 05:04 opterown wrote:On March 01 2013 05:02 CoR wrote:On March 01 2013 02:58 Cokefreak wrote:
Why does he not inform GOM that he isn't going to participate, I'm sure he had decided this before they released the U&D groups... perhaps because they should informed teh DAY he have to play before ? i am sure he would play if its no iem conflict ... also i saw him easy win the group but what he gets from it ? nearly nothing so sure IEM is way more weight for him hahah what he gets from a code s spot? lol yep thats the point, winning a code S spot in a HOTS code S where he will barely win ... no IEM is way better for him and his reputation. DONT FORGET: he said he wanna stop after 2013 right ? so he has to get all money he can ^^
he's not going to win iem, so no difference really. what will happen to his already-poor reputation (recently) when he does not live up to expectations?
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On March 01 2013 05:06 CornMuscles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 04:59 Dodgin wrote:On March 01 2013 04:56 CornMuscles wrote:On March 01 2013 04:50 Dodgin wrote:
It's time to stop seeding foreigners I think. No, foreign seeds should continue. Regardless of all the scheduling hate, stephano hate, ______ hate being spewed the foreign seed needs to continue. First it lets the rest of the world continue to attempt proving that a foreigner can win in Korea's (World's) biggest and best tournament. GSL is still the gold standard, biggest feather in your cap tournament out there. That being said, GOM understands that folks not living full-time 100% in Korea will never be able to qualify through regular means. By seeding a foreigner who the esports community is hungry to see play in GSL to see if he can compete in the biggest tournament is a boon for GOM. It will probably net new subscriptions and views to their streams. Seeding foreigners grows esports, and that is good. I don't care about esports, free seeds are ruining the integrity of competition in GSL, that's more important to me than watching foreigners get beat up. If Stephano couldn't make it past the ro32 when Zerg is strong in WoL what hope is there for any other foreigner in Hots? Maybe Naniwa can qualify and make another run some day, he's still the only foreigner to go deep in GSL since 2011. If GSL doesn't keep sponsors happy with viewer numbers and etc... what do you think will happen to the tournament. 1 free seed to a foreigner who has been placing well in foreign tournaments is not a bad thing. So Stephano didn't show ideal results. Naniwa did, was he not given that free seed, or did he qualify? And how did Stephano ruin the integrity of competition. Did he 6-pool every game? Did he worker rush? Didn't he win one of his matches?
GSL can survive just fine without giving out free seeds, the fan base has been built up enough and those who didn't move on from sc2 have accepted that It's a Koreans game. If the difference between GOM living and dying is foreigners playing then it doesn't deserve to live. (Which it isn't, they're moving into a huge new studio, they're doing fine)
It ruins the integrity of the competition because it takes the spot away from a hardworking player who is trying to qualify through Code B and then Code A, that spot that went to stephano could have been an additional wildcard seed from the U/D's. If they end up forfeiting their spot after failing to achieve anything that's even worse, then it was all for nothing. I don't agree with seeding Naniwa either but at least he played until he fell to Code B, three full seasons.
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On March 01 2013 05:10 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 05:06 CoR wrote:On March 01 2013 05:04 opterown wrote:On March 01 2013 05:02 CoR wrote:On March 01 2013 02:58 Cokefreak wrote:
Why does he not inform GOM that he isn't going to participate, I'm sure he had decided this before they released the U&D groups... perhaps because they should informed teh DAY he have to play before ? i am sure he would play if its no iem conflict ... also i saw him easy win the group but what he gets from it ? nearly nothing so sure IEM is way more weight for him hahah what he gets from a code s spot? lol yep thats the point, winning a code S spot in a HOTS code S where he will barely win ... no IEM is way better for him and his reputation. DONT FORGET: he said he wanna stop after 2013 right ? so he has to get all money he can ^^ he's not going to win iem, so no difference really. what will happen to his already-poor reputation (recently) when he does not live up to expectations?
if he wins iem what happens ?
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On March 01 2013 05:10 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 05:06 CoR wrote:On March 01 2013 05:04 opterown wrote:On March 01 2013 05:02 CoR wrote:On March 01 2013 02:58 Cokefreak wrote:
Why does he not inform GOM that he isn't going to participate, I'm sure he had decided this before they released the U&D groups... perhaps because they should informed teh DAY he have to play before ? i am sure he would play if its no iem conflict ... also i saw him easy win the group but what he gets from it ? nearly nothing so sure IEM is way more weight for him hahah what he gets from a code s spot? lol yep thats the point, winning a code S spot in a HOTS code S where he will barely win ... no IEM is way better for him and his reputation. DONT FORGET: he said he wanna stop after 2013 right ? so he has to get all money he can ^^ he's not going to win iem, so no difference really. what will happen to his already-poor reputation (recently) when he does not live up to expectations?
Maybe it's time to rein in the trolling.
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On March 01 2013 04:35 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 04:21 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 04:15 Dingodile wrote:On March 01 2013 04:10 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 04:05 Dingodile wrote:On March 01 2013 03:59 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 03:54 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On March 01 2013 03:32 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 03:12 ZeRoX-45 wrote:
This is disgrace...They invited him and gave code s spot, which many progamers from Korea have to earn and he disrispected them by dropping from UnD matches because of 5 times "easier" tournament. I would ban him forever from GSL for this. They should ban Rain too, and Grubby for skipping out on their matches for other events. Its disgrace that these players don't just drop everything when GSL sets their match on the same day as another event. They should play in their qualifying matches for GSL and forfit the events where they would win real money. We all know that qualifying for the GSL is more important than anything. HE shouldnt accept invitation in that case. Naniwa or Huk never forfeited their matches. And Rain never should have tried to qualify if he wasn't going to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Same with Grubby. They should be banned forever and never allowed in GSL for leaving. They should walk to the other side of the street if they see a GSL player or caster, head bowed in shame. If Huk forfits a match because he is going to his own wedding, banned for life. You play every single game, that is how passion works. Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding. Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL. The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC. That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future. "Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?" too bad stephano could have played in both if he moved his flight a few hours lol
you wanna pay a couple grand to do that?
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On March 01 2013 05:11 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 05:06 CornMuscles wrote:On March 01 2013 04:59 Dodgin wrote:On March 01 2013 04:56 CornMuscles wrote:On March 01 2013 04:50 Dodgin wrote:
It's time to stop seeding foreigners I think. No, foreign seeds should continue. Regardless of all the scheduling hate, stephano hate, ______ hate being spewed the foreign seed needs to continue. First it lets the rest of the world continue to attempt proving that a foreigner can win in Korea's (World's) biggest and best tournament. GSL is still the gold standard, biggest feather in your cap tournament out there. That being said, GOM understands that folks not living full-time 100% in Korea will never be able to qualify through regular means. By seeding a foreigner who the esports community is hungry to see play in GSL to see if he can compete in the biggest tournament is a boon for GOM. It will probably net new subscriptions and views to their streams. Seeding foreigners grows esports, and that is good. I don't care about esports, free seeds are ruining the integrity of competition in GSL, that's more important to me than watching foreigners get beat up. If Stephano couldn't make it past the ro32 when Zerg is strong in WoL what hope is there for any other foreigner in Hots? Maybe Naniwa can qualify and make another run some day, he's still the only foreigner to go deep in GSL since 2011. If GSL doesn't keep sponsors happy with viewer numbers and etc... what do you think will happen to the tournament. 1 free seed to a foreigner who has been placing well in foreign tournaments is not a bad thing. So Stephano didn't show ideal results. Naniwa did, was he not given that free seed, or did he qualify? And how did Stephano ruin the integrity of competition. Did he 6-pool every game? Did he worker rush? Didn't he win one of his matches? GSL can survive just fine without giving out free seeds, the fan base has been built up enough and those who didn't move on from sc2 have accepted that It's a Koreans game. If the difference between GOM living and dying is foreigners playing then it doesn't deserve to live. (Which it isn't, they're moving into a huge new studio, they're doing fine) It ruins the integrity of the competition because it takes the spot away from a hardworking player who is trying to qualify through Code B and then Code A, that spot that went to stephano could have been an additional wildcard seed from the U/D's. If they end up forfeiting their spot after failing to achieve anything that's even worse, then it was all for nothing. I don't agree with seeding Naniwa either but at least he played until he fell to Code B, three full seasons.
I don't like seeing foreigners get free rides to Code S either but you can't deny that it only helps viewer ratings, and while no one here can say what difference it makes, I know from actually going to the studio that when a foreigner plays, the studio actually fills up, compared to what it is normally w/o any foreigners/brand-name players/JD
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Well, that really does suck, but wow, people have pitchforks out. He had a conflict with the IEM WC, which is a much more important event than the Up and Downs. Very unfortunate, but it does happen with all the tournaments out there.
But this also means that there will be a 4 man group, and 6 man groups. If possible, GSL should reshuffle the groups, because now the group's are so imbalanced in numbers.
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Why he should play his GSL game, if he wanted to play only one season?! I think forfeiting is better than losing consciously.
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All the people saying they're disappointed or angry with Stephano, or even Grubby, need to grow up. They're grown men, and playing this game is their job, they're in it to make money. The nature of the SC2 tournament scene, having so many tournaments so frequently, means that high-level players like Stephano and Grubby can choose where to devote their time and efforts. You'd have to be seriously blind to say that staying out of IEM to go and attempt to qualify for Code S again is a good move for Stephano, he has a FAR greater chance of earning some serious money at IEM, and it will take him a fraction of the time to do it.
And saying that he's somehow disrespecting GOM by turning down his spot and choosing IEM instead? Please. Just because he's offered a spot doesn't mean he has to take it. Sorry Stephano, no IEM for you, the mighty GOM has requested your presence in their GSL and if you don't attend you'll be a pariah in the community. What a load of crap.
This isn't a shot at GOM by the way, I don't see them bitching and moaning about Stephano turning down their seed, this is aimed at people who seem to think it shouldn't be in the players' hands to choose which tournaments to attend and they should automatically have to accept seeds from the most prestigious tournaments, even if it's a waste of their time and efforts to do so.
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On March 01 2013 05:07 CoR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 05:06 CornMuscles wrote:On March 01 2013 04:59 Dodgin wrote:On March 01 2013 04:56 CornMuscles wrote:On March 01 2013 04:50 Dodgin wrote:
It's time to stop seeding foreigners I think. No, foreign seeds should continue. Regardless of all the scheduling hate, stephano hate, ______ hate being spewed the foreign seed needs to continue. First it lets the rest of the world continue to attempt proving that a foreigner can win in Korea's (World's) biggest and best tournament. GSL is still the gold standard, biggest feather in your cap tournament out there. That being said, GOM understands that folks not living full-time 100% in Korea will never be able to qualify through regular means. By seeding a foreigner who the esports community is hungry to see play in GSL to see if he can compete in the biggest tournament is a boon for GOM. It will probably net new subscriptions and views to their streams. Seeding foreigners grows esports, and that is good. I don't care about esports, free seeds are ruining the integrity of competition in GSL, that's more important to me than watching foreigners get beat up. If Stephano couldn't make it past the ro32 when Zerg is strong in WoL what hope is there for any other foreigner in Hots? Maybe Naniwa can qualify and make another run some day, he's still the only foreigner to go deep in GSL since 2011. If GSL doesn't keep sponsors happy with viewer numbers and etc... what do you think will happen to the tournament. 1 free seed to a foreigner who has been placing well in foreign tournaments is not a bad thing. So Stephano didn't show ideal results. Naniwa did, was he not given that free seed, or did he qualify? And how did Stephano ruin the integrity of competition. Did he 6-pool every game? Did he worker rush? Didn't he win one of his matches? jeah ... calling youself a GLOBAL league being in korea you need to help the nonkoreans to participate, its not worth go to korea to TRY qualifing, but sometimes it is when you KNOW you get a seed so ... only possible way to do it
Same old discussion, as always.
Foreigners need charity seeds if they are to remain GSL. There've only been few exceptions, for the most part this has been true. Is it fair to give them seeds? The fact that they are being seeded into the GSL does a number of things:
- Arguably might hurt GSL's reputation as the toughest league in the world, although not significantly
- Brings the GSL more viewers, fans are more interested to watch and more likely to get invested in the matches themselves, better entertainment, good stories etc.
- Frustrates the tons of Code B koreans who are working really hard towards qualifying but can't catch a break
At least in the short run, the positives outweigh the negatives, whether it ends up being fair or not.
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On March 01 2013 05:12 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 04:35 opterown wrote:On March 01 2013 04:21 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 04:15 Dingodile wrote:On March 01 2013 04:10 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 04:05 Dingodile wrote:On March 01 2013 03:59 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 03:54 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On March 01 2013 03:32 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 03:12 ZeRoX-45 wrote:
This is disgrace...They invited him and gave code s spot, which many progamers from Korea have to earn and he disrispected them by dropping from UnD matches because of 5 times "easier" tournament. I would ban him forever from GSL for this. They should ban Rain too, and Grubby for skipping out on their matches for other events. Its disgrace that these players don't just drop everything when GSL sets their match on the same day as another event. They should play in their qualifying matches for GSL and forfit the events where they would win real money. We all know that qualifying for the GSL is more important than anything. HE shouldnt accept invitation in that case. Naniwa or Huk never forfeited their matches. And Rain never should have tried to qualify if he wasn't going to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Same with Grubby. They should be banned forever and never allowed in GSL for leaving. They should walk to the other side of the street if they see a GSL player or caster, head bowed in shame. If Huk forfits a match because he is going to his own wedding, banned for life. You play every single game, that is how passion works. Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding. Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL. The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC. That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future. "Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?" too bad stephano could have played in both if he moved his flight a few hours lol you wanna pay a couple grand to do that?
considering he has PL too, eg probably would be able to
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On March 01 2013 05:12 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 04:35 opterown wrote:On March 01 2013 04:21 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 04:15 Dingodile wrote:On March 01 2013 04:10 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 04:05 Dingodile wrote:On March 01 2013 03:59 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 03:54 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On March 01 2013 03:32 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 03:12 ZeRoX-45 wrote:
This is disgrace...They invited him and gave code s spot, which many progamers from Korea have to earn and he disrispected them by dropping from UnD matches because of 5 times "easier" tournament. I would ban him forever from GSL for this. They should ban Rain too, and Grubby for skipping out on their matches for other events. Its disgrace that these players don't just drop everything when GSL sets their match on the same day as another event. They should play in their qualifying matches for GSL and forfit the events where they would win real money. We all know that qualifying for the GSL is more important than anything. HE shouldnt accept invitation in that case. Naniwa or Huk never forfeited their matches. And Rain never should have tried to qualify if he wasn't going to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Same with Grubby. They should be banned forever and never allowed in GSL for leaving. They should walk to the other side of the street if they see a GSL player or caster, head bowed in shame. If Huk forfits a match because he is going to his own wedding, banned for life. You play every single game, that is how passion works. Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding. Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL. The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC. That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future. "Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?" too bad stephano could have played in both if he moved his flight a few hours lol you wanna pay a couple grand to do that?
Didn't you know, international flights are like taxis, you can just change them. They are also always available to anywhere and easy to switch.
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On March 01 2013 05:15 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 05:12 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 01 2013 04:35 opterown wrote:On March 01 2013 04:21 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 04:15 Dingodile wrote:On March 01 2013 04:10 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 04:05 Dingodile wrote:On March 01 2013 03:59 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 03:54 ZeRoX-45 wrote:On March 01 2013 03:32 Plansix wrote:
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They should ban Rain too, and Grubby for skipping out on their matches for other events. Its disgrace that these players don't just drop everything when GSL sets their match on the same day as another event. They should play in their qualifying matches for GSL and forfit the events where they would win real money. We all know that qualifying for the GSL is more important than anything. HE shouldnt accept invitation in that case. Naniwa or Huk never forfeited their matches. And Rain never should have tried to qualify if he wasn't going to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Same with Grubby. They should be banned forever and never allowed in GSL for leaving. They should walk to the other side of the street if they see a GSL player or caster, head bowed in shame. If Huk forfits a match because he is going to his own wedding, banned for life. You play every single game, that is how passion works. Looks like real-life doesnt exists :D Please tell me you are not serious about the wedding. Of course I'm not serious at all. I am mocking the people who are freaking out about Stephano forfiting a qualifying match for one event to go play in the World Championship for another event. If this were anythign else but GSL, no one would care. But for some reason, if the GSL set a match for the same date you were already planning to go to another event, you should cancel your plans and play in GSL. The dates for World Champions are known for months... and we had many code a ro24 games in this and last week, but no Stephano has to play in the same week like WC. That is the real problem, it is an embarrassment that the GSL cannot find a calendar or go to TL and click on the “Upcoming Events” tab. Artosis knows how to use TL, he could show them how and then they could avoid this problem in the future. "Now see these dates? Don't set the matchs for the white guy on these dates and he can attend. Got it?" too bad stephano could have played in both if he moved his flight a few hours lol you wanna pay a couple grand to do that? Didn't you know, international flights are like taxis, you can just change them. They are also always available to anywhere and easy to switch.
They are actually very easy to switch, and there's usually many flights a day leaving from Incheon.
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