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No idea why Antiga, Cloud Kingdom, Daybreak, Metropolis, Ohana, and Entombed Valley are in the map pool. This isn't a WoL tournament but rather a HotS tournament. Going forward we cannot as a community be using old outdated maps from as far back as 2011 in the year 2013 and with a new expansion pack.
Compare their map pool to GSTL, which is at the moment the best HotS league. They only have 1 map in common, Akilon Flats. Going forward we're going to need tournament organizers to realize that the game is vastly different from the days of 2011 and we have to have new maps into the pool.
Hell, IEM is actually doing a worse job than Blizzard. I'm impressed that blizzard actually has decided to step it up and improve their ladder map pool going into HotS.
Overall, disappointed in IEM and with the lack of koreans I'll probably only be watching the VODs of the semi-finals / finals of the tournament. Hopefully we as a community can step it up to the standards of GSL and get more maps into the pool such as Silver Sands (used in the GSTL) and Phantasm (used in IPL6 HotS).
You don't see players using strategies from 2011, you don't see GSL using their old horrible overlay from 2011, why should we have this many old out dated maps in the tournament pool in 2013?
I can understand using one or two (Daybreak comes to mind) but when this tournament is taking place, it'll have very few maps in common with the HotS ladder (and most of those maps will be blizzard maps).
Hopefully IEM doesn't hurt returning viewers. Imagine being a casual player returning to the game after taking a break in the middle of 2012 and still seeing the same maps being played. I'd be turned off immensely by it.
Thankfully they didn't put in Xel'Naga Snowy Caverns into the pool, so props to them for that.
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(Wiki)Antiga Shipyard
(Wiki)Akilon Flats
(Wiki)Cloud Kingdom
(Wiki)Daybreak
(Wiki)Entombed Valley
(Wiki)Metropolis
(Wiki)Newkirk District
(Wiki)Ohana
(Wiki)Star Station
Oh good god can´t we get rid of the old maps? I´m so f***** tired of them.
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China6327 Posts
Looks like they realized they actually used the HotS beta maps, I've updated the OP. But that doesn't change the spirit anyway.
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Right it seems they have made some changes to the maps aswell.
IEM Antiga Shipyard has no gold expansion and is cross position only Stardard
IEM Entombed Valley is cross position only The standard is no horezontial spawns but whatever
IEM Star Station is cross position only What?... WHY?! Since when did it become a universal rule that 4 player maps have to be cross position? There is close to Zero positional imbalance on the map and you can always pick a third away from your opponent.
All maps have neutral building blockers added to the bottom of the ramp of the main bases Eh that is default even on Blizzard maps and have been so for the beta for quite a while...
IEM Akilon Wastes has the two central Xel'Naga Watchtowers removed Seems even Blizzard agree with this change from GSL so it is fine.
I don't get they said building blockage have been added. They should already have been there. And i don't agree with Star station being Cross only, that is stupid. Also did they really miss the Rocks being missplaced on Newkirk city?
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I'm btw fine with the maps. Like all of them. And Akilon, Newkirk and StarStation are quite new to me, so I cant complain.
Maybe they didnt want to show to much of new stuff to the people? Maybe they wanted to ensure that at least the maps are familiar? Who knows.
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On February 25 2013 02:05 nomyx wrote:No idea why Antiga, Cloud Kingdom, Daybreak, Metropolis, Ohana, and Entombed Valley are in the map pool. This isn't a WoL tournament but rather a HotS tournament. Going forward we cannot as a community be using old outdated maps from as far back as 2011 in the year 2013 and with a new expansion pack. Compare their map pool to GSTL, which is at the moment the best HotS league. They only have 1 map in common, Akilon Flats. Going forward we're going to need tournament organizers to realize that the game is vastly different from the days of 2011 and we have to have new maps into the pool. Hell, IEM is actually doing a worse job than Blizzard. I'm impressed that blizzard actually has decided to step it up and improve their ladder map pool going into HotS. Overall, disappointed in IEM and with the lack of koreans I'll probably only be watching the VODs of the semi-finals / finals of the tournament. Hopefully we as a community can step it up to the standards of GSL and get more maps into the pool such as Silver Sands (used in the GSTL) and Phantasm (used in IPL6 HotS). You don't see players using strategies from 2011, you don't see GSL using their old horrible overlay from 2011, why should we have this many old out dated maps in the tournament pool in 2013? I can understand using one or two (Daybreak comes to mind) but when this tournament is taking place, it'll have very few maps in common with the HotS ladder (and most of those maps will be blizzard maps). Hopefully IEM doesn't hurt returning viewers. Imagine being a casual player returning to the game after taking a break in the middle of 2012 and still seeing the same maps being played. I'd be turned off immensely by it. Thankfully they didn't put in Xel'Naga Snowy Caverns into the pool, so props to them for that.
Maybe they just didn't want to fuck over some players twice by announcing some unknown maps after announcing the HotS switch two and a half weeks before the event starts.
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I am fine with everything but the Ohana, really getting tired of that awful map..
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On February 25 2013 02:50 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 02:05 nomyx wrote:No idea why Antiga, Cloud Kingdom, Daybreak, Metropolis, Ohana, and Entombed Valley are in the map pool. This isn't a WoL tournament but rather a HotS tournament. Going forward we cannot as a community be using old outdated maps from as far back as 2011 in the year 2013 and with a new expansion pack. Compare their map pool to GSTL, which is at the moment the best HotS league. They only have 1 map in common, Akilon Flats. Going forward we're going to need tournament organizers to realize that the game is vastly different from the days of 2011 and we have to have new maps into the pool. Hell, IEM is actually doing a worse job than Blizzard. I'm impressed that blizzard actually has decided to step it up and improve their ladder map pool going into HotS. Overall, disappointed in IEM and with the lack of koreans I'll probably only be watching the VODs of the semi-finals / finals of the tournament. Hopefully we as a community can step it up to the standards of GSL and get more maps into the pool such as Silver Sands (used in the GSTL) and Phantasm (used in IPL6 HotS). You don't see players using strategies from 2011, you don't see GSL using their old horrible overlay from 2011, why should we have this many old out dated maps in the tournament pool in 2013? I can understand using one or two (Daybreak comes to mind) but when this tournament is taking place, it'll have very few maps in common with the HotS ladder (and most of those maps will be blizzard maps). Hopefully IEM doesn't hurt returning viewers. Imagine being a casual player returning to the game after taking a break in the middle of 2012 and still seeing the same maps being played. I'd be turned off immensely by it. Thankfully they didn't put in Xel'Naga Snowy Caverns into the pool, so props to them for that. Maybe they just didn't want to fuck over some players twice by announcing some unknown maps after announcing the HotS switch two and a half weeks before the event starts.
Sounds mostly like poor planning / business decision, hopefully it won't hurt them that bad.
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I've given up on map pools in foreign tournaments at this point.
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9 maps is a bit excessive.
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On February 25 2013 02:54 Ramiz1989 wrote:
I am fine with everything but the Ohana, really getting tired of that awful map..
What makes you say it's an awful map? I quite like it and wouldn't mind seeing some more HotS games on it.
In general though, I have to agree with Dodgin... I've given up on foreign tournaments going for anything but really conservative map pools.
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China6327 Posts
On February 25 2013 03:00 nomyx wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 02:50 StarVe wrote:On February 25 2013 02:05 nomyx wrote:No idea why Antiga, Cloud Kingdom, Daybreak, Metropolis, Ohana, and Entombed Valley are in the map pool. This isn't a WoL tournament but rather a HotS tournament. Going forward we cannot as a community be using old outdated maps from as far back as 2011 in the year 2013 and with a new expansion pack. Compare their map pool to GSTL, which is at the moment the best HotS league. They only have 1 map in common, Akilon Flats. Going forward we're going to need tournament organizers to realize that the game is vastly different from the days of 2011 and we have to have new maps into the pool. Hell, IEM is actually doing a worse job than Blizzard. I'm impressed that blizzard actually has decided to step it up and improve their ladder map pool going into HotS. Overall, disappointed in IEM and with the lack of koreans I'll probably only be watching the VODs of the semi-finals / finals of the tournament. Hopefully we as a community can step it up to the standards of GSL and get more maps into the pool such as Silver Sands (used in the GSTL) and Phantasm (used in IPL6 HotS). You don't see players using strategies from 2011, you don't see GSL using their old horrible overlay from 2011, why should we have this many old out dated maps in the tournament pool in 2013? I can understand using one or two (Daybreak comes to mind) but when this tournament is taking place, it'll have very few maps in common with the HotS ladder (and most of those maps will be blizzard maps). Hopefully IEM doesn't hurt returning viewers. Imagine being a casual player returning to the game after taking a break in the middle of 2012 and still seeing the same maps being played. I'd be turned off immensely by it. Thankfully they didn't put in Xel'Naga Snowy Caverns into the pool, so props to them for that. Maybe they just didn't want to fuck over some players twice by announcing some unknown maps after announcing the HotS switch two and a half weeks before the event starts. Sounds mostly like poor planning / business decision, hopefully it won't hurt them that bad.
I have to say IEM isn't known for wise business decisions for a long time
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Wow what a shitty map pool lol xD
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These maps so old, how do people still find them interesting.
Use current gsl or proleague
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On February 25 2013 01:06 Hadley88 wrote:
Ohana and Metropolis are back, yes! :D By far the two best WoL Maps, I hope they stay until LotV.
Nononono.
I can't wait until Daybreak, Cloud Kingdom, Ohana, Metropolis, Antiga Shipyard and Entombed Valley are removed from ladder pools, I don't know how many games I've seen and played on these maps...
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ITS NOT ABOUT THE FUCKING PLAYERS; ITS ABOUT THE VIEWERS:
they dont earn money from players and they will come anyways no matter what mappool
holy shit those stupid arguments....and if you want new maps just go on sc2melee.net and use those, its not that hard to do
and 9 maps in a pool is way too many, who the fuck is in charge at esl for this bullshit
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time to bring back steppes of wars
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Wasn't this the tournament that people thought was going to be Wings instead of Swarm? If that's the case then of course they used a map pool like this, you can't expect players who not only haven't played as much HotS, but actively practiced as if it were a Wings tournament to now use maps they have zero idea how to play
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On February 25 2013 11:32 RParks42 wrote:
Wasn't this the tournament that people thought was going to be Wings instead of Swarm? If that's the case then of course they used a map pool like this, you can't expect players who not only haven't played as much HotS, but actively practiced as if it were a Wings tournament to now use maps they have zero idea how to play
because new new maps are something totally alien or what?
i dont get it, every map plays the same, you build bases and build an armee, only small details change, there is nothing BIG to learn
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