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Deleted User 135096
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Last Edited: 2013-02-21 19:04:28
February 20 2013 20:04 GMT
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If you haven't been reading my blog it may not be immediately apparent what I am about to talk about, but that's ok, you can go read the pertinent material here if you like, or just stick around for a bit. I wanted to talk about the design of battle.net and why I feel, and have felt for a long time now in the PC space, that games (post 2000's) have woefully ignored the robust nature of the platform, and how the current SC2 client could be improved upon to create a better experience worthy of the PC.

You can certainly place a lot of blame on the console market for this slowly developing trend as when a company designs a cross-platform game they need to take into account the various levels of interaction that a user can or will have with their title. In designing these levels of interaction, the more succinct the operation the less development time is needed, and less bug testing. So at least monetarily speaking I can understand this decision to a degree. That being said, having recently played System Shock 2 (or simply reminiscing on older PC games I've played, Deus Ex being another good example) and the more direct usage of the keyboard as an interactive source in the world (typing on keypads for instance) I am continually reminded of past days where these accoutrements were fantastic editions to the impact of the system and the more directly affected nature of interacting with a UI on this level.

Thus we come to Blizzard, a company who hasn't designed a game for the console since they were known as Silicon and Synapse (games include Lost Vikings, Rock and Roll Racing, a N64 port of SC1, and SC:Ghost....uh...well ok, Chris Metzen just announced D3 to the PS3 and 4 so...), and it is for this reason that I am left disheartened and confused as to why contextual navigation has all but disappeared as a tool, or only used sparingly (the last time we saw this type of system was for WC3). There are so many fantastic reasons in the positive column that make, of all their IP's, StarCraft so in line with the use of a robust and fully developed keyboard navigation system, and because of this apparent synergy I would like to present an idea as to how to approach this. I also have a number of bugs, graphical inconsistencies, or conceptual issues that I also wanted to point out post 2.0.4 that I found along the way (that haven't been already in previous threads, such as this). Let's get started shall we?

Before I get into the specifics I would like to note that I only spent a couple of hours in total in looking over all the new patch, and coming up with the structure (along with the bugs or other oddities found).



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I briefly covered this in my blog on The Economy of Design, but now that I had access to the updated UI in full I wanted to talk about how the hierarchy currently functions in real life, and allows for this kind of contextual navigation to happen with relative ease. Essentially as we look at it, there is a top level, main level, float level, and secondary and ternary sublevels of navigation menus within those three overall categories (the UI redesign team should get some kudos here for restructuring the complete mess of post 1.5 into something more concise and clean). The top level could be described as any navigation or pane that is not contextually oriented. That is to say, it functions at every level of the client, or is only at the very front end (such as the login screen). The items that accompany this are:
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Two notes on this should be made:
  • The bracketing shows what level these systems lie in, and how the login is an autonomous and separate function. Also I should note that hotkeys are now found in menu/options/ but is an entirely separated screen, so it falls under the float category.
  • Coinciding with this separation, the use of the [number keys 1-6] will cycle between the menu bar items while the use of the [Alt + Tab] key will cycle between open group windows only (see below for more global options).
The next section is the main level where currently, and previously, we still have the use of our F-keys to get through quick navigation (along with the top level welcome screen, though that isn't really important, just should be noted), though they no longer can be assigned, but are instead always linked to the main level (F1-5).
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Finally, and perhaps the most confusing, the float level is made up of contextual screens that function on their own as secondary level navigations, but are by their nature already either at the secondary level or further down. Note that these screens are indicated in the overall navigation scheme below. As a special note, the Create Game options have two functionalities, in arcade/custom functions and for shared replay viewing. You will see a separation in the menu below and was done to indicate this separation.
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Following this hierarchy I very easily once I had looked at the entirety of the UI found an easy way to set up the keyboard navigation. When broken down, the three levels of navigation look like the following:


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    + Show Spoiler [login] +
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    + Show Spoiler [profile] +
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    + Show Spoiler [party] +
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    + Show Spoiler [friends] +
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    + Show Spoiler [groups] +
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    + Show Spoiler [menu] +
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    + Show Spoiler [news and community] +
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    + Show Spoiler [campaign] +
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    + Show Spoiler [matchmaking] +
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    + Show Spoiler [custom games] +
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    + Show Spoiler [arcade] +
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    + Show Spoiler [replays] +
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    + Show Spoiler [hotkeys] +
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    + Show Spoiler [map info/game info] +
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    + Show Spoiler [create game] +
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    + Show Spoiler [score screen] +
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what it immediately apparent through these images, hotkeys aside, is that we see this kind of sublevel navigation all the time, in the structuring of websites. What also is visually apparent is that, and somewhat nicely, as a result of this hierarchy we rarely get past the ternary level of navigation, though I will touch upon a few problems I found with the sublevel navigation later.

A few notes on the above system should also be noted, in that certain global options retain their functionality. They are:
  • [~] Will toggle text fields as active or inactive. Default is inactive for search fields, and active for chat and login fields.
  • [Tab] Will cycle through tabs in groups window, or menu items with left_side orientation (example: custom games_navbar, or the top_navbar in the score screen).
  • [Alt + Tab] Will cycle between open chat windows. Shift works the same way (back function when added).
  • Orange colored buttons such as the find match always are activated by the enter key.
  • Similarly ok, cancel, and close are always activated by the [esc] or [ent] key. This level (regarding esc) would normally override the hotkey for the menu/, however it always seemed bizzare that the activation key was escape, so I just rebound it to F10 (a longstanding choice in Blizzard titles). There is an additional problem that I'll discuss below as well.
  • The [Back] key toggles between a minimized open pane, or closes it depending on the context (would minimize in for instance a joined game where the x close is replaced with a - minimize button)
That's essentially the crux of adding in a contextual navigation system, and after looking briefly at the current setup, would be very easy to include. Now the big questions to Blizzard might be "Isn't this too complex to be used effectively? What about engaging new players and developing our customer base, and not scaring them away?" At first perhaps this might look like an issue and especially if you are looking in the global sense, though you're not losing the functionality that is already there. What this does accomplish however is that for the advanced user, allows for quick and mouse-less navigation of a system you use regularly (read: pro players would greatly benefit). Additionally and perhaps more importantly as we are all different types of people, having this kind of navigation system doesn't mean that people will learn every single option. In fact I would be surprised if people used the achievements options at all, however, for those who exclusively use the competitive matchmaking function, quickly and easily parsing out [F2] + [R] + [Ent] to jump in to a game is such a nuanced, but rewarding thing (and here they use maybe 2-3 of these menus only, so there ends up being less to parse overall). It's a win win from my perspective, and something that I hope they seriously consider adding.

One final thing I just want to put out there. In keeping with all the training ideas and apm exercises, I also felt that by instantiating this system would give rise to a potential tool or training game option. This would be to have a number of navigation strings (e.g. get from point A to B via these hotkeys) that are set and that you have to execute precisely and quickly, with a number of difficulty tiers. This game does two things, it teaches or at least is one way to help with apm efficiency and speed, but also serves to teach the user the system navigation as well. Sound like an interesting tool for newer players?



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So I did mention that I noticed some errors or inconsistencies, bugs, or other problems with the new system that I find perplexing that someone didn't catch in quality assurance. I'll get to those now. These are in no particular order and kind of as I wrote them down:
  • In the profile 'settings cog', the "copy link" option is not clear as to what it intends to impart to the end user. This is seen in a few other places, but this option copies your profile link, though I am unsure as to what it's is used for (seems client oriented in that the output of starcraft://profile/#/############## doesn't follow standard url link structuring).
  • I mentioned this in my blog, but I still find it problematic that in the arcade section of 'Open Games' only has a max of 30 games total. This seems far too low considering the current options, and eventual expansion of the array, especially when placed next to Valve's longstanding system that can populate over 200 open servers in less time that it takes to parse these 30 instances.
  • In the Replays/Multiplayer/ section, the scrollbar is bugged. When dragged the visual bar lags behind the cursor and ends up feeling like negative acceleration as you have to move your mouse further to reach the bottom of the scroll area. This needs to be reprogrammed and is likely a very easy fix from my experience.
  • A small thing, but you'll notice in the hierarchy that I occasionally have the racial order as PTZ and not the standard expansion order of TZP. This is because the actual menu system has this in the wrong order, where every other instantiation is the latter (yes this is nitpicky, but it is an inconsistency).
  • In the Profile/Achievements/ section the ternary level and beyond is visually undefined in that if you were to just look at that screen without context, you would have no idea where you were in the navigation of your client. An easy solution is to add in a breadcrumb (again, commonly used in web design) in the Identification pane (top left area that identifies the sublevel):

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  • Victory Screen: After finishing a match, you see the new fancy victory screen. I tend to listen to my own music so I have disabled the music, so when the race victory music played at that instance I immediately looked for a way to turn that off as it seemed odd that I had disallowed music, yet, here music is. Unfortunately there is no option to disable this effect that I could find, it's just always there until it's fixed by Blizzard. Please flag this as an music source.
  • The new hotkeys created a problem. I rebound my camera location keys to F1-5 a long time ago, so when I first played a game with the new UI and got an army, the new army selection overrides my camera hotkey entirely (worked before army, not after). In trying to fix this I unbound it, and somehow I entirely broke my left-click drag box functionality, and could not recover it without leaving the game and starting a new one. For competitive players this seems problematic should this happen with any regularity.
  • As mentioned before, the [esc] key activates the menu, and I find this very problematic for one reason. If you wanted to get to the menu via keyboard but want to stay on your current pane, that is not possible in the current iteration. The above suggestion of retaining F10 solves this issue. Essentially escape has a dual function in the client (one as the 'menu activation', and one as 'back one level'), and this is very poor design.
  • We all are used to the standard race icons for SC2, however I should point out that the new Profile/Ladder/Grandmaster/ section (easiest example, but is for all ladder lists) uses an entirely new set of icons which look terrible. I'm not exactly sure what the intent is here, but the graphics were poor changes as they do not reflect the color scheme of each race, nor are they in line with the traditional set (left of the new icons). This is nitpicky I know, but there is no good reason to fundamentally change the icons in this instance.

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  • Additionally, the new random icon has two items regarding its look. The addition of the question mark into one of the sides is a redundancy that seems somewhat out of place, in that a die is really the only thing necessary to impart the 'random' aesthetic (you could use the ? or dots only, but using both ? and dots seems an unnecessary redundancy). Also, the proportional design of the die itself does not mimic how it would look in a real world scenario, being overly stretched in the middle bottom area at the point of intersection between the 5 and ? sides meet (from a real world perspective it is imparts an overly stretched look).

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    (edit: sushiman points out in the thread that the proportions are based on a 2-point perspective approach)

  • the very first time I started the battle.net client, it recognized that I owned Swarm (preordered, no beta), and showed me options that I do not have in Wings (see below). On subsequent logins, these options disappeared as if the game was saying "oops, my bad!"

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  • Hotkey panes still have the previous graphic styles of 2.1.0.0 (Wings release client) in both the left and right panes (bind hotkey, profile, etc...). While not necessarily bad this is the only place they are ever used. See differences between this and the Options/Help/Protoss Units/ section's visual identity. This entirely new UI is not 'entirely new' I guess.
  • In the right pane in the main screen, when you add in channels you will see a scroll bar for navigation, up to 5 as we've seen previously. Unfortunately when removing past 1 instance the window are resizes and the hr graphic element at the bottom does not move, creating a visual inconsistency. This is easily solved by adding in a temporary blank placeholder for the removed channel until the scroll function has been activated and then the item can be removed and the window properly resized.

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  • in-pane highlighting is not consistent. The replay highlighting is distinctly less bright/saturated than other instances and this makes no sense.
  • There are two different button glows, as seen in the Matchmaking/ section (mode and race rows). This different 90° gradient and brigthness difference isn't necessary as there is no functional or directional necessity to separate the visual identity from other buttons of this kind.
  • In the login screen the buttons on the left are semi-transparent. This is the only time in the client where they are.
  • Select all larvae in the Menu/Options/Gameplay/ section makes you select all larvae automatically and is the default option. I do not understand why this function was created (e.g. redundant feature with no purpose) and as someone who does individually select larvae so I needed to change this.
  • Similarly, in Menu/Options/Gameplay/ in order to be able to select enemy units you must check the box for 'Enable Enemy Unit Selection' else you cannot select them at all. I find it rather hard to believe there is even a need for an option such as this, let alone this being the default (competitive players will be very annoyed with this). Maaaybe all-stars, but that still doesn't strike me as a pertinent selectable global option.
  • In create game, there is no option to create a private game when in Custom Games/Browse/. You can also create an offline game, but it is only accessible by right clicking the map inline pane. This does work normally however from Custom Games/Bookmarks/ and from Custom Games/Recently Played/.
  • Play as guest has disappeared. I guess you need an account now. How does this affect the starter edition functionality?
  • Add player and invite player to games or replays means the same things, but its nomenclature is different for some reason. There should only be one naming system here.
  • Stage Two and Three percussion at the start is not flagged as a musical source?
  • Larvae birthing sounds are not at the same dB level as the rest of the game and thusly stick out a little more than they should.
  • Group/chat windows do not remember my resizing choices. It always opens as the default size.
Other Curiosities
  • when watching a replay or observing a game, clicking on the image placeholder in the production tab will automatically center the camera on that area specifically.
  • Stage one training has a build order feature that is directly lifted form YABOT.

So that's pretty much what I wanted to cover. I hope that some of the things I've found here are helpful, or things that Blizzard are seriously considering in their various design/planning phases that they go through. As PC only title I really wish that companies did more of this kind of functionality as it only serves to enhance the directness and impact of the system onto the end user (that and bugs are not cool).
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Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12237 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-20 20:15:10
February 20 2013 20:12 GMT
#2
wo1fwood smacking Blizz down again :D

Nice post as always man
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csikos27
Profile Joined May 2011
United States135 Posts
February 20 2013 20:20 GMT
#3
hire you :D
muNsu
Profile Joined January 2011
Italy37 Posts
February 20 2013 20:23 GMT
#4
ah this is a long read, sc2's
ui has always felt way
too clunky for me lol.
i think that wc3 one was
simply the best, functional, quick to learn.
maybe one day they will learn that change doesn't imply improvement.
Ahli
Profile Joined May 2012
Germany354 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-20 20:28:10
February 20 2013 20:24 GMT
#5
The HotS option you are wondering about is the Starter Edition. It will most likely be activated on battle.net after HotS release.

Also, I guess the background patch is in fact the starter edition. I guess you can test HotS directly after release. This would also allow laddering directly after release without huge downloads. But this is just what I assume it to be... What other reason exists that they encrypt archives files labeled with HotS?

Also, you might want to look into the window where you can select players to invite, too. In the new HotS advertising video which was released today, that window didn't seem great. Sadly I don't know about its functionality in the live version.

Also, lobby still shows options that you can't edit. This is more important arcade, but it's something that needs improvement, too. =/
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Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
February 20 2013 20:24 GMT
#6
I really do like the new interface much better than the previous one.
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llIH
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2117 Posts
February 20 2013 20:29 GMT
#7
I love this analysis! Thank you for providing this to us! I play random. And I have noticed that for a long time!
Achaia
Profile Joined July 2010
United States643 Posts
February 20 2013 20:30 GMT
#8
Blizzard actually started with console gaming. They did The Lost Vikings and Rock N' Roll Racing, 2 awesome titles that a lot of people forget about. Their roots were initially in consoles.
http://www.youtube.com/SCBattleGrounds
number01
Profile Joined December 2012
203 Posts
February 20 2013 20:32 GMT
#9
I do not have a custom gaming pc. I play my games on a normal end pc. I did not have any issues playing WOL in low to medium settings. For some reason, HOTS beta makes my computer hotter and laggier on low settings, forget about going to medium settings or activating physics. I can play 5 to 10 games on HOTS before the program begins to have problems, however, I can play WOL for days.
I agree with you OP. this was a funny post as well.
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ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13356 Posts
February 20 2013 20:32 GMT
#10
Well done Wo1fwood, giving free QA to blizz since (insert year here)

Some of these I would never have noticed, but the hotkey bug and the music after a game ends bothered me too. I really hope they fix the music post win.
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sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3119 Posts
February 20 2013 20:36 GMT
#11
On February 21 2013 05:30 Achaia wrote:
Blizzard actually started with console gaming. They did The Lost Vikings and Rock N' Roll Racing, 2 awesome titles that a lot of people forget about. Their roots were initially in consoles.

0_o really?

but yea, bnet now is kinda........
The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.
Deleted User 135096
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
February 20 2013 20:38 GMT
#12
On February 21 2013 05:24 Ahli wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

The HotS option you are wondering about is the Starter Edition. It will most likely be activated on battle.net after HotS release.

Also, I guess the background patch is in fact the starter edition. I guess you can test HotS directly after release. This would also allow laddering directly after release without huge downloads. But this is just what I assume it to be... What other reason exists that they encrypt archives files labeled with HotS?

Also, you might want to look into the window where you can select players to invite, too. In the new HotS advertising video which was released today, that window didn't seem great. Sadly I don't know about its functionality in the live version.

Also, lobby still shows options that you can't edit. This is more important arcade, but it's something that needs improvement, too. =/
The add to lobby looks exactly like the invite to party option. I don't have enough friends online at the same time to know how multiple people past 8-10 would instantiate a scroll function or not, or how that works.

Thanks on the redundant options. I probably should have been more thorough in my look at game modes, or other options of that kind. It sounds like I would find a few things.

On February 21 2013 05:30 Achaia wrote:
Blizzard actually started with console gaming. They did The Lost Vikings and Rock N' Roll Racing, 2 awesome titles that a lot of people forget about. Their roots were initially in consoles.
ah, I knew I had a funny feeling when I wrote that. Thanks for the correction, I'll edit that in.
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NexCa
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany954 Posts
February 20 2013 20:39 GMT
#13
Just give this guy his quality post star OO !
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Grapefruit
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany439 Posts
February 20 2013 20:40 GMT
#14
Good job.
Starcraft 2 is funny, everybody picks the race, which he considers to be the weakest. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
February 20 2013 20:47 GMT
#15
This was a fantastic read!
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
t e a C h e r
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada151 Posts
February 20 2013 20:53 GMT
#16
NICe read!!! You have a keen eye
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RoyGBiv_13
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1275 Posts
February 20 2013 20:54 GMT
#17
Unsurprisingly, a feature,
when organized in flat bullet
lists, commands a finer feel
than the alternate production.

+ Show Spoiler +
I still hold out for a command-line interface to navigate sc2. Think of the custom front-ends!

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic
Achaia
Profile Joined July 2010
United States643 Posts
February 20 2013 20:54 GMT
#18
Pretty in depth analysis here. I have to say though that I see very few actual bugs. Obviously the f-key issues are a problem and there are a few interface items that he mentioned which are pretty legitimate. Most of the other items though just appear to be personal preference. I personally love the new UI and think it's much easier to navigate than 1.5 (granted he did give credit to the team for not screwing up worse than that). Either way, it's an impressive post, wish more OPs on TL were this well structured and presented.
http://www.youtube.com/SCBattleGrounds
derpface
Profile Joined October 2012
Sweden925 Posts
February 20 2013 21:02 GMT
#19
I bet your rl job is a auditor...
gg no re #_< no1 Hydra and Leta fan >_#
StarBrift
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden1761 Posts
February 20 2013 21:04 GMT
#20
I find it suprisingly hillarious that the random icon is a die that if used in real life would not actually give the user a random result because it's not symmetrical.
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