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algorithm0r
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada486 Posts
February 09 2013 03:30 GMT
#281
Honestly I have no problem with this. He is using other accounts to hack on if the allegations are true, not on his own account or accounts he is boosting. Where is the harm? He hasn't used it in a tournament (he gets 2nd in them online no hacks) so what is the witch hunt for?

I hope Blizz only resets the hacking accounts for which there is proof and does not pursue Daisuke in a more aggressive personal way (banning all his accounts without proof etc). Furthermore I would hope that no tournament takes this as evidence that he is a cheater as it certainly is not.
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
February 09 2013 03:30 GMT
#282
On February 09 2013 11:54 Cloaken wrote:
Thanks again to the OP for this information. We were able to take some solid action based off of these details.

Please always remember you can report hacks directly to hacks@blizzard.com.

Good luck out there, and always remember to "Play Nice, Play Fair."

Very good to hear!
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sevia
Profile Joined May 2010
United States954 Posts
February 09 2013 03:42 GMT
#283
On February 09 2013 11:54 Cloaken wrote:
Thanks again to the OP for this information. We were able to take some solid action based off of these details.

Please always remember you can report hacks directly to hacks@blizzard.com.

Good luck out there, and always remember to "Play Nice, Play Fair."


Good stuff
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Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
February 09 2013 03:55 GMT
#284
On February 09 2013 12:30 algorithm0r wrote:
Honestly I have no problem with this. He is using other accounts to hack on if the allegations are true, not on his own account or accounts he is boosting. Where is the harm? He hasn't used it in a tournament (he gets 2nd in them online no hacks) so what is the witch hunt for?

I hope Blizz only resets the hacking accounts for which there is proof and does not pursue Daisuke in a more aggressive personal way (banning all his accounts without proof etc). Furthermore I would hope that no tournament takes this as evidence that he is a cheater as it certainly is not.

The ladder is not just a few practice games with friends. The ladder is used for up-and-coming players to prove themselves, competent players to practice, and even somewhat for Blizzard rankings and tournaments. It's a serious matter; it's a complete breach of trust and etiquette for this game we all share and love. You can't simply say that cheating against a legitimate opponent in hundreds of games is not a serious matter - cheating is still cheating.
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IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
February 09 2013 03:58 GMT
#285
On February 09 2013 12:30 algorithm0r wrote:
Honestly I have no problem with this. He is using other accounts to hack on if the allegations are true, not on his own account or accounts he is boosting. Where is the harm? He hasn't used it in a tournament (he gets 2nd in them online no hacks) so what is the witch hunt for?

I hope Blizz only resets the hacking accounts for which there is proof and does not pursue Daisuke in a more aggressive personal way (banning all his accounts without proof etc). Furthermore I would hope that no tournament takes this as evidence that he is a cheater as it certainly is not.


Where is the harm? Is that a serious question?
Time held me green and dying though I sang in my chains like the sea.
Vesky
Profile Joined January 2013
United States857 Posts
February 09 2013 04:02 GMT
#286
Seems like a weird thing to do since he's a decent player.

I can't imagine he thought people wouldn't find out about this, I mean the FoW posturing + a-moves are hilarious.
Cababel
Profile Joined November 2012
United States31 Posts
February 09 2013 04:11 GMT
#287
This is very condemning evidence. The map hacking is completely obvious and so are the inject hacks. The only disputable portion is wether it was him playing or not. However the OP seems to suggest that his hotkey layout and usage match his main account which pretty much proves that it was him. Overall there really doesn't seem to be a lot of room for error in the accusation.
He's not just a step ahead he's dubstep ahead, just look at all his bases
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13408 Posts
February 09 2013 04:19 GMT
#288
Good detective work from RemarK. Really glad this was dealt with by Blizzard as well.

And I really don't completely understand why Daisuki would ruin his chances to play this game in any competitive environment ever again.
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ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
February 09 2013 04:24 GMT
#289
awesome

draaaaamaaaaaaaaa
mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
February 09 2013 04:24 GMT
#290
Even if he cheated, he still got second place WITHOUT cheating, you cant take that away from him.
Long live the Boss Toss!
iMrising
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States1099 Posts
February 09 2013 04:25 GMT
#291
There is no doubt daisuki is guilty, unless for some reason he ends up not owning the account, which is extremely unlikely.
But because of this i guess daisuki's career is over...I wonder what he's going to do next...
$O$ | soO
-Kyo-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan1926 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-09 04:26:10
February 09 2013 04:25 GMT
#292
On February 09 2013 13:24 mrRoflpwn wrote:
Even if he cheated, he still got second place WITHOUT cheating, you cant take that away from him.


No one is trying to. He's a good player. That's why some of us are sort of confused ;(
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I agree with you I think(?) cant tell the tone >.>
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Agh
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1068 Posts
February 09 2013 04:25 GMT
#293
Not really all that surprising, since he waited so long to 'reveal' himself on that account for no apparent reason, especially when he left it idle for a week.
I may appear to be an emotionless sarcastic pos, but just like an onion when you pull off more and more layers you find the exact same thing everytime and you start crying
dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-09 04:28:50
February 09 2013 04:26 GMT
#294
I don't understand people trying to defend him or saying that it doesn't matter if pro players hack on the ladder.

Of course it matters; every hacker is a nuisance to the game. They contribute nothing and ruin games while wasting other people's time. Players gain nothing from a loss versus a hacker and they gain only ladder points from a win. If they were hacking, there are no useful hints or lessons that the legitimate player can take away from the replay; somebody hiding cannons in your base because they know you already did a scouting round or blindly countering everything you throw at them is not real practice and not useful practice.

Every step towards eliminating it should be taken, even going so far as to ban main accounts for hacking on alt accounts. If he buys a new unbanned account, let him start again, fine, but ban everything he owns now. There is reason to be cautious in outing somebody, but with proof like this, let the pitchforks fly.

Also, Cloaken, thank you for posting here. It means a lot.
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5224 Posts
February 09 2013 04:31 GMT
#295
I don't understand why he would cheat. Obviously he was a strong player with his WCS finish, if he is cheating ladder it isn't real practice for him anyway, why bother?

Very odd.
tribulator
Profile Joined February 2011
774 Posts
February 09 2013 04:35 GMT
#296
This reminds me, I forgot to pick up popcorn when I went grocery shopping.
Shebuha
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1335 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-09 04:37:57
February 09 2013 04:37 GMT
#297
You know what would be a good idea? To send this to TL mods/staff who can inturn message pros to review the evidence rather than posting a thread where 1000 people will not review the evidence and still say, "what a scumbag." Regardless of whether or not he hacks, his reputation is fucked, which is pretty cool. You could have saved his reputation for until after he's proven guilty, but instead now people who probably didn't watch the replays hate him.

For fucks sakes the replays have like 7-40 views on them and we're at 15 pages.

Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
February 09 2013 04:43 GMT
#298
On February 09 2013 13:37 Shebuha wrote:
You know what would be a good idea? To send this to TL mods/staff who can inturn message pros to review the evidence rather than posting a thread where 1000 people will not review the evidence and still say, "what a scumbag." Regardless of whether or not he hacks, his reputation is fucked, which is pretty cool. You could have saved his reputation for until after he's proven guilty, but instead now people who probably didn't watch the replays hate him.

For fucks sakes the replays have like 7-40 views on them and we're at 15 pages.


..did you even read the OP?
Refer to my post.
Razorspine
Profile Joined September 2012
New Zealand29 Posts
February 09 2013 04:44 GMT
#299
I hate that this is a thing. I would if possible love to have Blizzard hire (X) number of people whose entire job description was to uncover and eliminate hackers, because as a professional E Sport game, and the ladder being an extension of this should be a place of skill rather than a place for hackers who apparently need to hack at a game to have more fun, and if you ask me if you are hacking at Starcraft 2 you are trying too hard.
In this world we are all alone, only through the ultimate belief of friendship and trust can we even for a moment create the illusion that we are not alone.
TAMinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2706 Posts
February 09 2013 04:48 GMT
#300
I guess this guy doesn't care about improving since HOTS is coming out soon
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