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TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
January 31 2013 19:21 GMT
#201
On February 01 2013 04:16 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 02:15 BronzeKnee wrote:
On February 01 2013 02:12 SkaPunk wrote:
Don't really want to watch it if there are no open brackets.


Yeah me too... this replacement of the open bracket is... well nothing really replaced it.


....right

because you all enjoyed watching watching games like HuK vs NadaViking, TubbyTheFat vs Crank, and Daisuki vs Kirschke so much


pretty much this. This is a huge storm of shit about absolutely nothing. I think MLG did a great job to approach this. I like this way more than their weird MvP tournament.
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-31 19:23:55
January 31 2013 19:23 GMT
#202
I guess I can see some appeal in this, but I'm pretty disappointed some players I really like got left out like Naniwa and MajOr.

MLG_Adam
Profile Joined July 2010
United States994 Posts
January 31 2013 19:24 GMT
#203
On February 01 2013 04:23 Swords wrote:
I guess I can see some appeal in this, but I'm pretty disappointed some players I really like got left out like Naniwa.




Naniwa, Lucifron, Vortix and many others declined.
Twitter: MrAdamAp
tribulator
Profile Joined February 2011
774 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-31 19:26:34
January 31 2013 19:25 GMT
#204
I won't mind watching this online, but I'm definitely not going down to the event.

Format does suck for anyone trying to make a name for themselves, though. There's a couple of the guys invited who would be nothing if it wasn't for open brackets.
warmus
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom196 Posts
January 31 2013 19:26 GMT
#205
On February 01 2013 04:16 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 02:15 BronzeKnee wrote:
On February 01 2013 02:12 SkaPunk wrote:
Don't really want to watch it if there are no open brackets.


Yeah me too... this replacement of the open bracket is... well nothing really replaced it.


....right

because you all enjoyed watching watching games like HuK vs NadaViking, TubbyTheFat vs Crank, and Daisuki vs Kirschke so much


Waxangel, yet again i am feeling your vibe, but some guys just dont get it.
.maLice.
Profile Joined December 2011
United States174 Posts
January 31 2013 19:26 GMT
#206
You guys need to stop all the crying. This tournament is going to be great!
Pursuit_
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States1330 Posts
January 31 2013 19:26 GMT
#207
Very excited for this, I actually feel like it makes sense for the first few HotS tournaments to be invite only. This way progamers can focus on WoL without fear of being knocked out of major tournaments by nobodies who learned new gimmicky builds / all-ins in HotS already.

Also, lineups look sick, can't wait to see who makes it :D
In Somnis Veritas
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
January 31 2013 19:27 GMT
#208
All this bickering about the tournament formant and invites is, in the end, much ado about nothing really. There's a reason this is called an exhibition tournament. The qualifiers are being played on a hilariously imbalanced beta and there's no indication so far, that the game will be balanced when it comes out.

I'm sure it'll be entertaining to see what the top players do with the new units for the first time, but that's all it will be, it won't be a serious competition, just showmatches.
raser
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway301 Posts
January 31 2013 19:28 GMT
#209
missing so meny strong players from EU =/ kinda sad that mlg never seem to get all the good EU players
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 31 2013 19:29 GMT
#210
On February 01 2013 04:20 krisss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 03:54 MLG John wrote:
On February 01 2013 03:15 iNcontroL wrote:
This thread is odd to me.

They say the reasons they can't do online quals/open bracket (which they have championed in the past) is because of instability across all the regions.. most people accept that. I don't really see anyone saying the reasoning for that isn't good enough.

Then I read a bunch of vague posts about how the picks are biased and no open bracket is bad. When has an invite tourney EVER made everyone happy? It simply isn't possible.. so if we accept the reasoning for why the invites are there, can't we be happy for the tourney itself? I mean, they are doing a hybrid tourney in the sense that there is at least 1 round of qualification which means a full 2x people get a crack at this as opposed to just a straight invite to an offline tourney?

Demu wasn't invited, our koreans... yet I can still look at this and say "ok." Ever wonder why Ddoro (inactive) and fenix are invited amongst others? Probably some point system behind that right? It isn't like MLG is super tight with Ddoro... come on.

I am obviously very sad about no open bracket.. but after hearing their reasoning and thinking about it.. I have come to a place where I can accept this for Dallas.

I know this thread doesn't speak for all of sc2 but I wish more of us would think on a more rational level as opposed to just jumping to boycott or get pissed


Geoff Robinson 2016


Actually, having another opinion than INcontrol doesnt mean it is irrational.
HOTS is a big thing. I have much expectations, i want new players. I always want newcomers etc. I'm sick of the same old "progamers" that had the "luck" (and ofc skill) to be well-known in the beginning of sc2 and since then they didnt accomplish anything (exept maybe bad manners).

IMHO they had better to wait for anoher month, then do an open (online) qualification. Because a lot of people (including me), think HOTS is the BIG opportunity for SC2 to finally change something.. New players, new chances, new stories, new gameplay!

Instead its all the old stuff, boring format, same players, just hots..

Bad start for HOTS.


It sounds like you were never going to be happy no matter what MLG did, or you just have unreasonable expectations. I am sure there is some amateur tournament that will have what you are looking for.
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Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-31 19:31:27
January 31 2013 19:29 GMT
#211
On February 01 2013 04:16 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 02:15 BronzeKnee wrote:
On February 01 2013 02:12 SkaPunk wrote:
Don't really want to watch it if there are no open brackets.


Yeah me too... this replacement of the open bracket is... well nothing really replaced it.


....right

because you all enjoyed watching watching games like HuK vs NadaViking, TubbyTheFat vs Crank, and Daisuki vs Kirschke so much

Completely agree. I don't know what is the fuzz about not having open brackets. I've never enjoyed them personally, I only care about pro level entertaining matches, and I didn't watch any "pro vs. unknown player" match in these tournaments. Also, I understand that some people that aren't pros wanted to play in the open qualifiers, but I guess it is win-win situation for me, as long as there are many good names.

And btw Adam, keep up the good work. Tournament is going to be great, you can't please everybody. I will certainly watch it, since this will probably be the first HOTS tournament!
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
bsdaemon
Profile Joined July 2012
618 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-31 19:31:51
January 31 2013 19:30 GMT
#212
Wow, a lot of negative criticisms and whining. Sure, some of the players that we like might not have been included but the whole thing still seems to be within reason. If you do not like the format or you are disappointed, go send your messages directly to the people involved with the event.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
January 31 2013 19:34 GMT
#213
On February 01 2013 04:20 krisss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 03:54 MLG John wrote:
On February 01 2013 03:15 iNcontroL wrote:
This thread is odd to me.

They say the reasons they can't do online quals/open bracket (which they have championed in the past) is because of instability across all the regions.. most people accept that. I don't really see anyone saying the reasoning for that isn't good enough.

Then I read a bunch of vague posts about how the picks are biased and no open bracket is bad. When has an invite tourney EVER made everyone happy? It simply isn't possible.. so if we accept the reasoning for why the invites are there, can't we be happy for the tourney itself? I mean, they are doing a hybrid tourney in the sense that there is at least 1 round of qualification which means a full 2x people get a crack at this as opposed to just a straight invite to an offline tourney?

Demu wasn't invited, our koreans... yet I can still look at this and say "ok." Ever wonder why Ddoro (inactive) and fenix are invited amongst others? Probably some point system behind that right? It isn't like MLG is super tight with Ddoro... come on.

I am obviously very sad about no open bracket.. but after hearing their reasoning and thinking about it.. I have come to a place where I can accept this for Dallas.

I know this thread doesn't speak for all of sc2 but I wish more of us would think on a more rational level as opposed to just jumping to boycott or get pissed


Geoff Robinson 2016


Actually, having another opinion than INcontrol doesnt mean it is irrational.
HOTS is a big thing. I have much expectations, i want new players. I always want newcomers etc. I'm sick of the same old "progamers" that had the "luck" (and ofc skill) to be well-known in the beginning of sc2 and since then they didnt accomplish anything (exept maybe bad manners).

IMHO they had better to wait for anoher month, then do an open (online) qualification. Because a lot of people (including me), think HOTS is the BIG opportunity for SC2 to finally change something.. New players, new chances, new stories, new gameplay!

Instead its all the old stuff, boring format, same players, just hots..

Bad start for HOTS.

wait a month, and not be the first big hots tournament? yeah, great marketing advice you're giving here.
LambtrOn
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States671 Posts
January 31 2013 19:36 GMT
#214
On February 01 2013 04:24 MLG_Adam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 04:23 Swords wrote:
I guess I can see some appeal in this, but I'm pretty disappointed some players I really like got left out like Naniwa.




Naniwa, Lucifron, Vortix and many others declined.

Demuslim, too? And this isn't the biggest deal, but maybe say who declined invites in the OP, so you don't get angry kids thinking you purposefully didn't invite their favorite player.
McKTenor13
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1383 Posts
January 31 2013 19:36 GMT
#215
I can't believe people are putting so much hate on this. I actually thank them for it. I wouldn't want their normal huge competition the week after HoTS comes out. I'd rather have more time for people to learn the game a little more. This is a great opportunity to show that, but also it's not too much. Looking forward to it!
If you can chill. chill. - Liquid'Tyler
Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
January 31 2013 19:41 GMT
#216
So the main Championship in Dallas will still use WoL, while that extra tournament will be HotS?
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EliteSK
Profile Joined April 2010
Korea (South)251 Posts
January 31 2013 19:44 GMT
#217
So seeing as how its invitation only, they're flying all of their SC2 players that qualify over? All 32 for a single elimination bracket. so 16/32 who qualify will play one Bo3/5 (Round 1 on the first day probably) and no payout and just hang around the rest of the event or enjoy Dallas.

I can see the appeal for why some would go and why some people would decline.

Will be great games either way.
wigwamfan
Profile Joined June 2011
85 Posts
January 31 2013 19:45 GMT
#218
Interesting way of doing things, surely gonna follow.
-
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
January 31 2013 19:46 GMT
#219
like alot, but not that the online is invite only
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
January 31 2013 19:46 GMT
#220
dont get why some are so harsh towards mlg considering how volatile the timing is around the hots release, also they are very open about everything and clearly stated that its a one time invite only thing
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