EPTDestiny: Own3d paying streamers late, not fulfilling contr…
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ffswowsucks
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lolmlg
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On January 19 2013 08:15 ACrow wrote: I think this should be added to the OP. To the lawyer discussion: we don't know the specific text of the contract. There might be a clause regarding payout time and/or more detail regarding the sponsored event. We just don't know. And I certainly won't take Destiny's word for it. I never take anyone's word for serious that has pics of his dick on the internet. Realistically I doubt there are more than a couple of people in this thread who don't have pictures of their dicks floating around on the internet. | ||
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Grettin
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Own3d COO Oleg Kogut has agreed to an interview next week. Zvetan Dragulev is still Own3d's CEO, not Oleg, and will also participate. | ||
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arie3000
153 Posts
On January 19 2013 08:08 Sub40APM wrote: If there is an Austrian lawyer who is also an SC2 fan and was rich, he could offer to buy Destiny's and everyone else's claim on Owned.tv from at a reasonably large discount. Give Destiny 20% of what he is owned, in exchange get the claim on OwnedTV and hope they actually have enough money to make that worth it. Anyway -- all the lawyers on here who are SC2 should get together and create a generic contract for both streamers and pros pro bono. And players need to make sure that they sign contracts with entities that have assets and that players can reach those assets. I'm not sure the 'no-cure-no-pay' system is legal in Austria, AFAIK in The Netherlands it is illegal for a lawyer to collect a certain % of the damages in a lawsuit. This seems like a very straightforward contract case though, but I don't know if there's money to be collected from something that seems to be an insolvent company, run by individuals who're (apparently) Russian, which would increase the nr. of country suit needs to be filed... | ||
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Myrtroll
139 Posts
This is what I would do if it was located here in Norway, but I should guess it's something similar in Austria, more so than a comparison to the US system. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
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llIH
Norway2147 Posts
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BluePanther
United States2776 Posts
On January 19 2013 07:40 Plansix wrote: Does Owned even has a US branch to serve? From my understanding, they are in Australia and I don't know if they have a local(as in the US) office. I'm assuming that since Destiny is American and the contract was to be performed in America, that would be enough to get a US court to take it. I can't know for sure without seeing the contract and knowing more. | ||
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BluePanther
United States2776 Posts
On January 19 2013 08:08 Sub40APM wrote: Anyway -- all the lawyers on here who are SC2 should get together and create a generic contract for both streamers and pros pro bono. And players need to make sure that they sign contracts with entities that have assets and that players can reach those assets. I'd be happy to if there were a few pros and a few team managers that were willing to sit down and talk about problematic areas that tend to arise. | ||
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Canucklehead
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Obstikal
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the moment we've all been waiting for | ||
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llIH
Norway2147 Posts
On January 19 2013 09:23 Canucklehead wrote: If own3d is broke, what good will lawsuits do? Even if you win, how are you going to divide $0 b/w everyone? Jailtime! :D:D:D | ||
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BluePanther
United States2776 Posts
On January 19 2013 09:23 Canucklehead wrote: If own3d is broke, what good will lawsuits do? Even if you win, how are you going to divide $0 b/w everyone? depends on the government, local bankruptcy laws, and who technically gets sued (and if a business, what they're registered as). But since we know Own3d has some infrastructure, forcing them into bankruptcy would force them to liquidate those assets and pay out what they can. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
revive debtor's prisons!! | ||
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BluePanther
United States2776 Posts
We could just send them all to Australia. | ||
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ControlMonkey
Australia3109 Posts
On January 19 2013 09:37 BluePanther wrote: We could just send them all to Australia. Screw that man, we dont even like genuine refugees, let alove convicts! Maybe Tasmania would take them... | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On January 19 2013 08:29 ffswowsucks wrote: I hate streaming because you get to see guys who are basically cunts (KingKongor for example) that they dont care about their viewers and only for the moneyz. Not saying there arent any good people out there but seeing this kongor douche having so many viewers after all the hate he brings on them and they keep paying etc... makes me sick. people choose to watch if theyre dumb enough to be entertained by being pissed off and abused why stop them? | ||
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BluePanther
United States2776 Posts
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RuFF_SC2
United States203 Posts
On January 19 2013 04:32 Clbull wrote: Athene (also a streamer on Own3D along with others on AtheneLive) has sparked a big debate here. If Own3D falls, this could give Twitch a monopoly, which Athene doesn't want. After careful consideration, I am gonna stick it out with own3d.tv unless it just completely crashes. Hell, wish they would of let me know what the problems were sooner. I am not heartless though, i feel pity, and I have friends in own3d.tv. May of screwed my RL up a tad, but sometimes I can be a bit soft. Good Luck Own3d.tv Don't watch League but Ethene you make a lot of sense here. Its never good when there are no competetors on the market. :p | ||
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llIH
Norway2147 Posts
On January 19 2013 10:03 IdrA wrote: people choose to watch if theyre dumb enough to be entertained by being pissed off and abused why stop them? You're right. Haha. I don't understand what's the problem. Even if the croud seems to not like the stream. They never leave. I think they just want drama. Honestly. | ||
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