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sixfour
England11061 Posts
On December 28 2012 21:25 DarkLordOlli wrote: Well... GSL is different. They'll have time to analyze him and pick him apart. please explain why stephano can't do the same. also please explain why koreans going to foreign tournaments are at a natural disadvantage as they have no time to gameplan against all likely opponents, yet stephano magically can | ||
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Philozovic
France1677 Posts
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On December 28 2012 21:27 DarkLordOlli wrote: Indeed, why? Because he was never playing in Code S and the Koreans pretty much adapt to strategies when they have to face them. Preparing for a weekend tournament is entirely different. People said Rain was the best player in the world. He went on crazy runs through weekend tournaments and OSL and then? Mvp had enough info to beat him when he had to. That's what happens in GSL. So the korean protosses he continually stomped couldn't be bothered figuring out an answer because he wasn't in code s? That seems absurd but I could be wrong. | ||
Ace1123
Philippines1187 Posts
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TurboMaN
Germany925 Posts
He can show is real skills there, because there he'll only meet the best players. How can he directly go into Code S and doesn't qualify via Code A or something? Invite? | ||
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On December 28 2012 21:31 sixfour wrote: please explain why stephano can't do the same. also please explain why koreans going to foreign tournaments are at a natural disadvantage as they have no time to gameplan against all likely opponents, yet stephano magically can Stephano doesn't prepare much for opponents, he's said so himself. He just relies on good, solid gameplay. But that's the thing, every player in Code S could do that. OR they prepare different builds especially designed to beat certain players. I'd agree that if GSL wasn't preparation based, Stephano would do well. But it is. On December 28 2012 21:34 bo1b wrote: So the korean protosses he continually stomped couldn't be bothered figuring out an answer because he wasn't in code s? That seems absurd but I could be wrong. You gotta keep in mind that his strategies took some time to be implanted in the korean metagame. Which means korean protosses in their practice weren't instantly facing Stephano's strategies when he came up with them. So basically they'd only face them when they faced Stephano, hence his "stomping". When stuff like the roach max went over to korea, people like HerO and MC had them figured out pretty fast. | ||
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
On December 28 2012 21:38 DarkLordOlli wrote: Stephano doesn't prepare much for opponents, he's said so himself. He just relies on good, solid gameplay. But that's the thing, every player in Code S could do that. OR they prepare different builds especially designed to beat certain players. I'd agree that if GSL wasn't preparation based, Stephano would do well. But it is. How do you prepare against someone who can do almost anything? Stephano's strong point is (in ZvP and ZvT) his ability to have a lot of different builds be can use, which makes it harder to prepare, especially since he's recently decided to mix in roach/hydra zvt. You can scout, but you need to be bang on with your scouting to make sure you know what's coming, so you don't prepare for the wrong thing. Being able to prepare is one thing, but Stephano is pretty versatile in his builds, so you can't be entirely sure what might be coming. That's a lot to prepare for. His weakness is ZvZ, which is likely to hold him back in Korea unless he can "fix" it over the course of his time in GSL. | ||
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
On December 28 2012 21:38 DarkLordOlli wrote: Stephano doesn't prepare much for opponents, he's said so himself. He just relies on good, solid gameplay. But that's the thing, every player in Code S could do that. OR they prepare different builds especially designed to beat certain players. I'd agree that if GSL wasn't preparation based, Stephano would do well. But it is. oh wow this is terrible | ||
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KoBlades
Austria248 Posts
On December 28 2012 21:34 Philozovic wrote: Best CHRISTMAS GIFT EVER !!!!!!! well this is sad^^ jk but seriously i hope stephano can take this chance, although I think it would have been better if he had played in the GSL a few months ago. but we'll see. | ||
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ZerglingTwins
United States850 Posts
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On December 28 2012 21:41 Lonyo wrote: How do you prepare against someone who can do almost anything? Stephano's strong point is (in ZvP and ZvT) his ability to have a lot of different builds be can use, which makes it harder to prepare, especially since he's recently decided to mix in roach/hydra zvt. You can scout, but you need to be bang on with your scouting to make sure you know what's coming, so you don't prepare for the wrong thing. Being able to prepare is one thing, but Stephano is pretty versatile in his builds, so you can't be entirely sure what might be coming. That's a lot to prepare for. His weakness is ZvZ, which is likely to hold him back in Korea unless he can "fix" it over the course of his time in GSL. You really think these Code S koreans can't do "almost everything" either? Stephano is known for ling/infestor, strong lategame often with ultras first and recently his roach/hydra ZvT, just to name a few. People like Mvp will figure out patterns, get into his head, see weaknesses and capitalize. HerO even figured out ways to abuse Stephano's way of playing from just playing against him in WCS and IPL. | ||
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Incomplet
United Kingdom1419 Posts
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
On December 28 2012 21:31 sixfour wrote: please explain why stephano can't do the same. also please explain why koreans going to foreign tournaments are at a natural disadvantage as they have no time to gameplan against all likely opponents, yet stephano magically can Stephano just thrill in light preparation matches. And he often said he doesn't like to prepare for matches, feels like there's no point and it does making him play worse for some reason | ||
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
We should be thankful for Gom that they still offer seeds to foreigners. They do this to attract more viewers, but still those seeds spice up the whole league. Stephano is a hard-working pro gamer nonetheless. The haters in the forums are just immature nerds who need a hug. | ||
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Gimmeurladderpoints
Germany372 Posts
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Prog455
Denmark970 Posts
On December 28 2012 19:57 X3GoldDot wrote: yeah honestly with his form recently thinking he will go out in ro32 unless he gets a really easy group or he just gets out of his slump again I think it is a bit exaggerated to say that Stephano is in a slump. Obviously he has not been winning anything the last month or so, but that doesn't mean that he is slumping. Remember IPL 5? He finished at 25th-32nd place, which is by no means anywhere near his usual standards. But at the GSL World Championship that was held at the same avenue he almost managed to all-kill team Korea, beating players such as Life (reigning GSL Champion), DRG, MC and Seed (all former GSL Champions), only losing to Squirtle. He is not doing as well as he used to, but he has been performing fairly good at almost every tournament he has entered while on his so called slump. | ||
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Xpace
United States2209 Posts
I agree with this reaction to the previous comment; but at the same time I think several people in this thread are underestimating both Code S and Stephano. | ||
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mileu
Germany1 Post
My prediction: Stephano will get hard stompted and he'll end streaming HotS like Lz, Machine and Idra... | ||
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