EPTAnyone know of games like this?
Introducing people to e-sports
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Flopjack
United States51 Posts
Anyone know of games like this? | ||
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Ornithorynquez
430 Posts
But it's hard to introduce the concept of "esport" to someone who isn't in videogames in the first place. | ||
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Vertitto
Poland750 Posts
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Daumen
Germany1073 Posts
On December 16 2012 06:23 Ornithorynquez wrote: But it's hard to introduce the concept of "esport" to someone who isn't in videogames in the first place. If not impossible... | ||
Sumahi
Guam5609 Posts
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aka_star
United Kingdom1546 Posts
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BearStorm
United States795 Posts
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G_G
Canada178 Posts
Then point out that eSports has all of that in abundance, and has had it for a long time. If they still hang on the "but it's video games, they're not athletes" side, then remind them it's not sports, it's eSports. The "e" is there for a reason. The two are similar in every way except what is denoted by the "e", that's why it's there. The distinction between physical and electronic is important, so it is made, but if every other aspect is the same, how can we justify calling it anything other than a sport? | ||
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crbox
Canada1180 Posts
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Marathi
298 Posts
On December 16 2012 07:43 crbox wrote: I think the reason why sports like football are so popular (watching wise) is because kids played it when they were little. I didn't get to play hockey, basketball or football when I was young. Watching those things all by myself have no interest whatsoever for me, unless I'm with my dad. To enjoy watching something, I feel like you need to have played it in the past to understand. We need those swag kids to start playing SC instead of posting stupid memes on tmblr. Hey! I play starcraft and post stupid memes on tumblr! :D I have found it very hard to persuade any of my friends into eSports and we all grew up playing videogames. I have one friend who is very much into his videogames but on consoles and has a CoD clan but when it comes to eSports he's not really that interested. I've shown him some funny stuff like the Husky videos and some epic stuff and that awesome 1 year highlight but didn't really excite him at all. Prior to this I had tried to get him into CS 1.6 and WoW but both of those failed too, tough crowd huh! I think the biggest problem with eSports is how small a population realise that you can make a living from playing videogames competitively. Lots of people play games like FIFA and Call of Duty, etc without realising that there is whole other level of gaming. I think a lot of these games could do more to promote to the every day casual gamer that they have the potential to be a world beater. I really like the idea of open online tournaments with a LAN/offline finals, where the tournament is open to anybody and it slowly gets narrowed down. If these were just advertised on the homepage with the big cash prizes of these games I think that would help create a lot more interest, even if they don't have a go at the tournament themselves, they can tell their friends, or might just get curious to see who won that 'big cash prize' and check the finals out on some stream somewhere. | ||
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Master of DalK
Canada1797 Posts
 It's very easy to get entrenched in eSports if you have someone with you, my brother was a great example of this, as he kept dragging me to watch Avartec Intel Classic for a month or so before I got into BW (then DotA and ofc SC2). It just gives you comfort and makes you feel like you fit into eSports. Oh yeah, and let them listen to this song. | ||
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vesicular
United States1310 Posts
On December 16 2012 07:19 BearStorm wrote: I think showing people games is a lot more effective once they have played a little bit and figured out how all the pieces work. That way they can appreciate just how great the control of a Korean professional is. In order to get them to play, I say you peer pressure by playing some team games with your friends and show how much fun you guys are having. Then try to sell them the same excitement. It is also better to try to sell two people at the same time so they don't have to be a lone noob. I have found this approach to be a lot more successful than the sensory overload of trying to explain what is happening during a game. I would agree with this, and it basically goes for getting people into anything. If you make it fun and relaxing it's much easier to transition someone into the other parts of the scene. Team play vs AI is a great starting point, especially if you play just to have fun and not to show off your own skills. The worst thing you can do is be the hotshot that your friends feel they need to live up to and then decide they can't and turn away. But you don't lead with esports. You lead with fun amongst friends in the game then transition them to esports later. | ||
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Spiffeh
United States830 Posts
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Dunmer
United Kingdom568 Posts
As for getting them into sc2 as your post suggests(title was misleading a bit ^^ ), playing the campaign and then do some 4v4 and monobattles and all fun stuff you can do. If they want to take it more serious let them ladder and play 1v1 etc. If they don't like then theirs nothing that can be done and if they still want to play team games well then that's ok too as you have a playing partner to relax with. | ||
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crbox
Canada1180 Posts
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Dontkillme
Korea (South)806 Posts
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
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Gann1
United States1575 Posts
Don't think that's what you're looking for though. | ||
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Louuster
Canada2869 Posts
On December 16 2012 08:33 Dontkillme wrote: Even some of my nerdiest friends find it funny that there is actually competitive video gaming. They are aware of it, but they think it's ridiculous. Most people play video games. However competitive video gaming is something completely different. Basically this, it should be fairly easy if you can get them past the "lolol people playing video games on a stage in front of an audience" part. For some reason, that part is much harder for people to accept than "lolol people playing hockey/football/basketball/whatever sport and making millions". Past that its all about making the game interesting. An easy way is to make them interested in a player/team in particular. A team is harder, but a player is much easier, which is why the early husky casts are so good. He might not have been casting the best games but you hear about this guy TLO so much that he becomes an easy point of entry to competitive sc2. It does help to have played the game but itse not absolutely necessary. Someone above mentionned that his gf likes MKP, if this is enough to get her to maybe follow his progress in tournaments, maybe cheer for him and eventually his team then this is probably good enough. You dont need every fan of the game to be able to have high level understanding of the strategy. Think of how many people would call themselves football fans but don't know much about the game past basic rules, let alone discuss strategies behind the different plays and formations. | ||
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snuppe
Denmark285 Posts
On December 16 2012 08:33 Dontkillme wrote: Even some of my nerdiest friends find it funny that there is actually competitive video gaming. They are aware of it, but they think it's ridiculous. Most people play video games. However competitive video gaming is something completely different. Have exactly the same situation. Many of my IRL friends thinks it stupid even if they play the game their selves thought some of my friends follow the scene a lot and we discuss things, it will always be made a fool of if we are together with the ones who thinks it's stupid. Why don't just you play yourself instead of watching him or them? That, they question a lot. | ||
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MysteryMeat1
United States3292 Posts
On December 16 2012 08:40 fabiano wrote: Show them League of Legends. lol, we have found its purpose. But honestly I could care less about making esports globally excepted. | ||
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
On December 16 2012 08:55 snuppe wrote: Have exactly the same situation. Many of my IRL friends thinks it stupid even if they play the game their selves thought some of my friends follow the scene a lot and we discuss things, it will always be made a fool of if we are together with the ones who thinks it's stupid. Why don't just you play yourself instead of watching him or them? That, they question a lot. Ask that to anybody that watches football, hockey, soccer, etc. There are millions of them that watch and don't play. Starcraft (or any other game) is just another sport (lets not get into the discussion of VIDEO GAMES ISNT A REAL SPORT). | ||
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Kergy
Peru2011 Posts
On December 16 2012 07:43 crbox wrote: I think the reason why sports like football are so popular (watching wise) is because kids played it when they were little. I didn't get to play hockey, basketball or football when I was young. Watching those things all by myself have no interest whatsoever for me, unless I'm with my dad. To enjoy watching something, I feel like you need to have played it in the past to understand. We need those swag kids to start playing SC instead of posting stupid memes on tmblr. eh My #swag is level 1000 and I play Starcraft | ||
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BirdKiller
United States428 Posts
You can bring up real sports where millions of spectators don't regularly play the sport they view, but video games are different: there's something to be proud about to call yourself a hardcore or regular gamer, and to be a gamer, you have to play the game. At best for most gamers, competitive gaming / esports can be looked on as some sort of multiplayer "tips and tricks" / walkthrough where one spectates not for the sake of spectating, but for the sake of learning more about the game and applying it to be a better gamer. That's how I got interested in SC2 esports, and it's the only reason why I would watch gamers playing a video game that I could be playing instead. | ||
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snuppe
Denmark285 Posts
On December 16 2012 09:13 Zenbrez wrote: Ask that to anybody that watches football, hockey, soccer, etc. There are millions of them that watch and don't play. Starcraft (or any other game) is just another sport (lets not get into the discussion of VIDEO GAMES ISNT A REAL SPORT). No lets not though, I believe it's a real sport  | ||
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
On December 16 2012 09:47 snuppe wrote: No lets not though, I believe it's a real sport I think of it as one as well, but just to remove the chance that people will deviate from my point to mention it  -us watching people play a video game is no different than somebody else watching someone else play basketball | ||
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xuanzue
Colombia1747 Posts
If a match is easy to understand (Army A obliterate Army B) without casters, then this is the video that you must show to new people. | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
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snuppe
Denmark285 Posts
On December 16 2012 10:22 Zenbrez wrote: I think of it as one as well, but just to remove the chance that people will deviate from my point to mention it -us watching people play a video game is no different than somebody else watching someone else play basketball You are absolutely right! | ||
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MarkCJ
Canada239 Posts
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Najda
United States3765 Posts
On December 16 2012 08:54 Louuster wrote: Basically this, it should be fairly easy if you can get them past the "lolol people playing video games on a stage in front of an audience" part. For some reason, that part is much harder for people to accept than "lolol people playing hockey/football/basketball/whatever sport and making millions". Past that its all about making the game interesting. An easy way is to make them interested in a player/team in particular. A team is harder, but a player is much easier, which is why the early husky casts are so good. He might not have been casting the best games but you hear about this guy TLO so much that he becomes an easy point of entry to competitive sc2. It does help to have played the game but itse not absolutely necessary. Someone above mentionned that his gf likes MKP, if this is enough to get her to maybe follow his progress in tournaments, maybe cheer for him and eventually his team then this is probably good enough. You dont need every fan of the game to be able to have high level understanding of the strategy. Think of how many people would call themselves football fans but don't know much about the game past basic rules, let alone discuss strategies behind the different plays and formations. Actually showing them one player is a really good idea. I got into watching starcraft through Klazart's love for Boxer, and hearing about him made me want to watch every game of his I could find. After that I branched out into watching more players and enjoying all of esports. I think it is important to remember how you got into it yourself when sharing with others. | ||
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