Today Evil Geniuses (EG), North America’s premier professional gaming team and a world leader in e-Sports, is elated to announce that we will be adding Dong Hyun “Revival” Kim to our StarCraft 2 roster. Kim was formerly teammates with both Jin Young “JYP” Park and Ho Joon “PuMa” Lee.
EVIL GENIUSES ADD DONG HYUN “REVIVAL” KIM TO STARCRAFT 2 TEAM
SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA. – December 10th, 2012. – Today Evil Geniuses (EG), North America’s premier professional gaming team and a world leader in e-Sports, is elated to announce that we will be adding Dong Hyun “Revival” Kim to our StarCraft 2 roster. Kim was formerly teammates with both Jin Young “JYP” Park and Ho Joon “PuMa” Lee.
Cody Conners, the General Manager of Evil Geniuses, remarked “My coaching staff and my players were insistent that we add Revival to our lineup when the news broke that he would be a free agent. With so many voices chiming in with positive things to say, adding this young man to our roster was an easy choice to make.”
Dong Hyun “Revival” Kim said, “I’m very happy to join Team EG. Our team members and coaching staff are excellent, and I will remain unwavering so that I can show everyone my success.”
Revival will make his debut as an Evil Genius in IPTL and will be joining the Evil Geniuses-Team Liquid for KeSPA’s Proleague in January.
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About Evil Geniuses Founded in 1999, Evil Geniuses (Team EG) is the world’s best video game team and a leading new media agency with a client portfolio which includes Intel, Monster Energy, Anheuser-Busch, Kingston Technology, and numerous other major technology and consumer brands. Featuring gaming celebrities like Greg “IdrA” Fields, Justin “JWong” Wong, Chris “HuK” Loranger, and Geoff “iNcontroL” Robinson, Evil Geniuses consists of only the most popular, storied, and influential gamers from around the globe.
Another great TSL pickup for EG! i was curious whether or not EG were picking up someone other than Jaedong because of the ByuL thing. nice to see they were :D
Damn, seems like Evil Geniuses is getting scarier and scarier every passing month. Great pickup! Let's hope for some sick games from Revival. I'm looking forward to his play in Proleague.
On December 11 2012 00:44 EnumaAvalon wrote: Where does EG get the money?! Grats though )
I heard they steal candy from babies and pawn it off. Don't quote me on that, though.
Really weird pickup, theres a lot of zergs out there that could have been a "better" pickup. EG are maybe signing him for added support with coaching for PL?
Edit: Then again EG is completely loaded and just wanted to give JYP and Puma a early christmas present.
On December 11 2012 00:46 Tobblish wrote: Really weird pickup, theres a lot of zergs out there that could have been a "better" pickup. EG are maybe signing him for added support with coaching for PL?
Sleep and Golden are the only other Korean Zerg F/A on the market, and both of those players have expressed interest in competing internationally rather than remain in Korea.
On December 11 2012 00:44 Sbrubbles wrote: So, now EG is a full-on korean team?
Not at all, they have almost all the big name foreigners + some Koreans and Jaedong. Their KR roster isn't exactly the main part of the team. It's 4 Koreans to 9 foreigners on EG.
EG has soooo many players now. Jaedong and Revival will be good for teaching EG how to team house like the KR's though, not to mention winning tourneys for them.
On December 11 2012 00:46 Tobblish wrote: Really weird pickup, theres a lot of zergs out there that could have been a "better" pickup. EG are maybe signing him for added support with coaching for PL?
Sleep and Golden are the only other Korean Zerg F/A on the market, and both of those players have expressed interest in competing internationally rather than remain in Korea.
On December 11 2012 00:46 Tobblish wrote: Really weird pickup, theres a lot of zergs out there that could have been a "better" pickup. EG are maybe signing him for added support with coaching for PL?
Sleep and Golden are the only other Korean Zerg F/A on the market, and both of those players have expressed interest in competing internationally rather than remain in Korea.
Yugioh too, I think he is still looking around atleast.
They have the best foreign Zerg, they have the best Broodwar Zerg, they have the best WoL Beta Zerg, they have the best US American Zerg (Suppster) and the most buff Zerg (Machine). What title does Revival have?
I think EG does not know who else is teamless now I will help: 1) Genius 2) TOP 3) San 4) Sage 5) YugiOh 6) Alicia 7) TheStC 8) GanZi 9) InCa 10) VINES 11) Arthur 12) Sleep
On December 11 2012 00:56 EnumaAvalon wrote: Sleep, YuGiOh and Revival were, in my opinion, the best zerg free agents out there. Now YuGi and Sleep. Where will they go from here!
Is Sleep still playing? Haven't heard from him in a while.
On December 11 2012 00:56 EnumaAvalon wrote: Sleep, YuGiOh and Revival were, in my opinion, the best zerg free agents out there. Now YuGi and Sleep. Where will they go from here!
Is Sleep still playing? Haven't heard from him in a while.
On December 11 2012 00:56 EnumaAvalon wrote: Sleep, YuGiOh and Revival were, in my opinion, the best zerg free agents out there. Now YuGi and Sleep. Where will they go from here!
Is Sleep still playing? Haven't heard from him in a while.
On December 11 2012 00:56 EnumaAvalon wrote: Sleep, YuGiOh and Revival were, in my opinion, the best zerg free agents out there. Now YuGi and Sleep. Where will they go from here!
Is Sleep still playing? Haven't heard from him in a while.
On December 11 2012 00:56 EnumaAvalon wrote: Sleep, YuGiOh and Revival were, in my opinion, the best zerg free agents out there. Now YuGi and Sleep. Where will they go from here!
Is Sleep still playing? Haven't heard from him in a while.
On December 11 2012 00:58 DiMano wrote: I think EG does not know who else is teamless now I will help: 1) Genius 2) TOP 3) San 4) Sage 5) YugiOh 6) Alicia 7) TheStC 8) GanZi 9) InCa 10) VINES 11) Arthur 12) Sleep
Just from this list alone.. It would make a sick PL or GSTL Team...
On December 11 2012 00:46 Tobblish wrote: Really weird pickup, theres a lot of zergs out there that could have been a "better" pickup. EG are maybe signing him for added support with coaching for PL?
Edit: Then again EG is completely loaded and just wanted to give JYP and Puma a early christmas present.
I really don't think so. Revival has been a solid zerg for TSL for quite a while which suggests that he will not disappear soon. In fact for a very long time Revival was better or at the same level of Hyun, and was hyped about as much. Hyun started getting hyped more because of his fightclub results, and recently he has been having a better run than Revival, but Revival is still a very solid zerg player. Jaedong and Stephano may be larger personalities, but when it comes to solid play I think Revival can compete with both of them.
There are very few free agents, especially at his level. There is Yugioh, and maybe some ex-ogs or ex-slayers have not totally given up yet, but I doubt they are as promising as Revival. Him being a free agent makes everything so much simpler, and probably also cheaper.
Even if players like Life and DRG were free agents you would expect them to get a much larger salary than Revival so I wouldn't necessarily consider them a better pickup (rather a different type of pickup which is neither better nor worse).
In addition Revival likes to stream a lot and compete on foreign ladders and in foreign cups (which brings attention and viewers).
On December 11 2012 00:56 EnumaAvalon wrote: Sleep, YuGiOh and Revival were, in my opinion, the best zerg free agents out there. Now YuGi and Sleep. Where will they go from here!
Is Sleep still playing? Haven't heard from him in a while.
perhaps you should follow the scene.
Don't worry, I follow it a lot but with my fault memory not everything sticks on right away.
On December 11 2012 00:56 EnumaAvalon wrote: Sleep, YuGiOh and Revival were, in my opinion, the best zerg free agents out there. Now YuGi and Sleep. Where will they go from here!
Is Sleep still playing? Haven't heard from him in a while.
perhaps you should follow the scene.
Easy forum-warrior, there's so many tournaments to follow that missing ONE player's performance in ONE tournament is pretty much commonplace.
On December 11 2012 00:46 Tobblish wrote: Really weird pickup, theres a lot of zergs out there that could have been a "better" pickup. EG are maybe signing him for added support with coaching for PL?
Sleep and Golden are the only other Korean Zerg F/A on the market, and both of those players have expressed interest in competing internationally rather than remain in Korea.
YuGiOh
I actually would have sooner seen Yugioh than Revival because lots of the EG guys have spent time with him before. I always remember idra giving him high praise as well.
On December 11 2012 00:58 DiMano wrote: I think EG does not know who else is teamless now I will help: 1) Genius 2) TOP 3) San 4) Sage 5) YugiOh 6) Alicia 7) TheStC 8) GanZi 9) InCa 10) VINES 11) Arthur 12) Sleep
Just from this list alone.. It would make a sick PL or GSTL Team...
Perfect for proleague, so many Kespa players suck against Protoss.
On December 11 2012 00:58 DiMano wrote: I think EG does not know who else is teamless now I will help: 1) Genius 2) TOP 3) San 4) Sage 5) YugiOh 6) Alicia 7) TheStC 8) GanZi 9) InCa 10) VINES 11) Arthur 12) Sleep
Just from this list alone.. It would make a sick PL or GSTL Team...
Don't forget the new team coming soon that @Ethan_ahn (TIG editor) hinted at a few days ago. I hope this list will shorten significantly with that announcement.
On December 11 2012 00:47 Opera wrote: It seems that EG won't need the partnership with Liquid anymore for the next Proleague season.
Another great pickup by EG.
I wouldn't be surprised if they're trying to become self-sustaining in Korea with their own team of top players for future Proleague/ GSTL seasons, although players like Hero and Taeja and even Sea wouldn't be bad additions (although I don't know if either team's management assumed that EG-TL would be a one-season run or a long-lasting idea).
Anyways, I'm not completely surprised that the next new addition is another Zerg (EG loves them), and another TSL player (...EG loves them!). He's as good a choice as any, I think. Hopefully he helps EG to great success, and EG helps Revival
Interesting pickup, considering that EG already has some really good Zerg players, but you can't let an opportunity like Revival pass you by! GK ti Revuvak!
On December 11 2012 00:55 kafkaesque wrote: Oh EG...
They have the best foreign Zerg, they have the best Broodwar Zerg, they have the best WoL Beta Zerg, they have the best US American Zerg (Suppster) and the most buff Zerg (Machine). What title does Revival have?
some Proleague-centric zerg will be pretty helpful, a relatively cheap one no less. I can imagine EG building their Korean roster so that they wont be dependent on the alliance anymore. Either EG has a serious longterm plan in Korea and/or KeSPA strikes a, say, two-year proleague deal with them
On December 11 2012 00:47 Opera wrote: It seems that EG won't need the partnership with Liquid anymore for the next Proleague season.
Another great pickup by EG.
I wouldn't be surprised if they're trying to become self-sustaining in Korea with their own team of top players for future Proleague/ GSTL seasons, although players like Hero and Taeja and even Sea wouldn't be bad additions (although I don't know if either team's management assumed that EG-TL would be a one-season run or a long-lasting idea).
Anyways, I'm not completely surprised that the next new addition is another Zerg (EG loves them), and another TSL player (...EG loves them!). He's as good a choice as any, I think. Hopefully he helps EG to great success, and EG helps Revival
Yeah with their new training house in Korea it's looking to be a very very big powerhouse team. Hopefully they can sustain all this for quite some time.
Good for Revival, but that roster is so inflated at the moment. So many major players, I would love to see EG do something like the complexity academy or foster some type of development program. Revival is at the necessary level to be EG proper, but I don't particularly like their only collecting names that are already at the top.
From a business perspective obviously EG has it on lock, their strategy is amazing and my appraisal is unreasonable, I'll just put that idea on my wishlist for now.
On December 11 2012 00:45 Archas wrote: Damn, seems like Evil Geniuses is getting scarier and scarier every passing month. Great pickup! Let's hope for some sick games from Revival. I'm looking forward to his play in Proleague.
Revival isen't as well known, but i believe he has been in code a atleast? (maybe code s) played against him in a playhem, he is a beast! gl to both :3
On December 11 2012 00:45 Archas wrote: Damn, seems like Evil Geniuses is getting scarier and scarier every passing month. Great pickup! Let's hope for some sick games from Revival. I'm looking forward to his play in Proleague.
On December 11 2012 00:44 EnumaAvalon wrote: Where does EG get the money?! Grats though )
I heard they steal candy from babies and pawn it off. Don't quote me on that, though.
might be true, cause they cant make money by showing results...
EG has too much money ... I mean great pickup, and great oppurtunity for Revival, but what the heck? How do they want to afford players like Stephano, Jaedong and now Revival? (3 Players in 3 Months now)
I mean, I'm not against them in any way, but they must either have a lot of money, or some genius marketing plans O_o. (And yes I know they are not only about SC2, but still ..)
On December 11 2012 00:45 Archas wrote: Damn, seems like Evil Geniuses is getting scarier and scarier every passing month. Great pickup! Let's hope for some sick games from Revival. I'm looking forward to his play in Proleague.
On December 11 2012 00:44 EnumaAvalon wrote: Where does EG get the money?! Grats though )
I heard they steal candy from babies and pawn it off. Don't quote me on that, though.
might be true, cause they cant make money by showing results...
Yea, because teams fund themselves based off tournament winnings.... (LOL) So many people have 0 clue as to how sports organizations operate.
I hope EG are not going to get bankrupt lol. Not so sure how necessary this pickup is but still it will only strengthen EG. Pretty sure InControl will step back from playing next year anyway as it seems he wants to be more of a personality than anything else. Good luck Revival and EG.
Wow, another pickup by EG eh? Never saw that one coming, I figured they spent all of their spare cash on JD, another good pickup for sure though. So anyone wanna take bets on how long it will take before the entire esports scene is run by EG? lol
I didn't know that EG's pockets were this deep. I mean, I always knew they were a very stable esports organization (a huge rarity) and could afford to pay outrageous salaries, but this is just getting insane. I also didn't know that Revival was good enough for pretty much the entire EG SC2 section to vouch for him extensively and request his signing. Did I miss something, or do the players know he's a practice bonjwa?
Another player already ? I thought they will be slowing down after getting stephano and Jaedong. Both of them probably earn quite a lot of salary... Revival is less expensive but he's still a pretty big pick up
EG bolstering their lineup yet with another zerg. Happy for Revival to find a new team quickly but jesus terrans are doing bad. I have a feeling that EG could shave off old members in the near future though.
On December 11 2012 00:45 Archas wrote: Damn, seems like Evil Geniuses is getting scarier and scarier every passing month. Great pickup! Let's hope for some sick games from Revival. I'm looking forward to his play in Proleague.
On December 11 2012 00:44 EnumaAvalon wrote: Where does EG get the money?! Grats though )
I heard they steal candy from babies and pawn it off. Don't quote me on that, though.
might be true, cause they cant make money by showing results...
Yea, because teams fund themselves based off tournament winnings.... (LOL) So many people have 0 clue as to how sports organizations operate.
People talking about EG throwing money around because of this sign up... Really, do you guys think revival will make as much as Stephano or something? He doesn't have many accomplishments or anything
Anyway, Revival is a good player for a teamleague. Gratz to him and EG.
On December 11 2012 02:11 Arnstein wrote: EG have realized that they never win because of the EG-curse, so they just add a lot of players so it's statistically impossible for them not to win.
Grats Revival / EG!
Cant lose if a tournement if all the players are on EG!
Congrats to revival tho, hopefully he can gets to go to some foreign tournements
On December 11 2012 02:10 Ace Frehley wrote: People talking about EG throwing money around because of this sign up... Really, do you guys think revival will make as much as Stephano or something? He doesn't have many accomplishments or anything
Anyway, Revival is a good player for a teamleague. Gratz to him and EG.
Doesn't mean he's playing for free. Revival isn't a big name for a lot of people, but he was a really core component of TSL succes in teamleagues.
On December 11 2012 02:10 Ace Frehley wrote: People talking about EG throwing money around because of this sign up... Really, do you guys think revival will make as much as Stephano or something? He doesn't have many accomplishments or anything
Anyway, Revival is a good player for a teamleague. Gratz to him and EG.
Doesn't mean he's playing for free. Revival isn't a big name for a lot of people, but he was a really core component of TSL succes in teamleagues.
He was making zero at TSL (or close to it), I'm quite sure How much do you think EG needs to offer to get him to say yes?
Good pick up player wise, but it is still sad that like every Foreign team is getting only Koreans.. Can't say them to be a foreign team anymore soon. In team leagues 90% of the playtime goes for the Koreans
On December 11 2012 02:08 ref4 wrote: another faceless Korean? what is EG's marketing team thinking? 4 Koreans on a foreign team is more than enough, too much in fact.
They think about doing well in SPL, you need koreans for that.
I wonder why Machine is still in this team. I like the guy but it's hard to justify.
Lots of signing announcements coming up, heard about MillGoswser and also some Azubu pickups.
On December 11 2012 00:42 Dodgin wrote: EG just doesn't stop recruiting players, jeez. Their rosters is huge now, 13 players.
Congrats to Revival for finding a stable home.
The roster is huge but it consists of different "layers". You can't really put iNcontroL, LZ and Machine in the same category as the rest of the members of the roster. They are more like community figures than anything atm.
On December 11 2012 02:31 ArvickHero wrote: spending money in the wrong places
buy a B-Team and compensate players to not travel to tournaments instead if you want to win PL. Probably expand the coaching staff while you're at it
I think Revival is just as good as Jaedong or better right now, and definitely better than Zenio. I wouldn't say It's spending the money in the wrong places. They need someone like Revival in Korea all the time if they want to compete in PL if Hero & Taeja are going to be missing a lot.
On December 11 2012 02:25 Tonttu wrote: Good pick up player wise, but it is still sad that like every Foreign team is getting only Koreans.. Can't say them to be a foreign team anymore soon. In team leagues 90% of the playtime goes for the Koreans
Well it also has more to do with PL here. It's much easier to sign a Korean to play in PL than it is to sign a top tier Foreigner (which there really aren't any free ones atm anyway) and relocate them to Korea for an extended period of time.
The Manchester City of esports. And of course they're going for koreans, if you take a look at big tournaments, the top8 is always made of koreans. Foreigners are nothing but mascots, keeping the fans happy.
On December 11 2012 02:08 ref4 wrote: another faceless Korean? what is EG's marketing team thinking? 4 Koreans on a foreign team is more than enough, too much in fact.
They think about doing well in SPL, you need koreans for that.
I wonder why Machine is still in this team. I like the guy but it's hard to justify.
Lots of signing announcements coming up, heard about MillGoswser and also some Azubu pickups.
um, the thing is, EGTL can continuously get 0-4 sweep'ed throughout the rest of the PL season but their sponsor money will just keep on flowing as long as EG keeps doing their cute commercials and TL maintains this site. No need to win anything really, they should just fire JYP, Puma, JD and Revival and get some up and coming foreigners that can speak English instead.
On December 11 2012 02:34 illsick wrote: I'm kinda surprised by the pickup, revival is an average player. There are other zergs that are better like yugioh and golden.
Difference is Yugioh and Golden aren't friends with JYP/Puma.
I'm pretty sure this pickup was because Revival was teamless and his old teammates vouched for him as a practice partner. Probably not an expensive player for EG either.
On December 11 2012 02:25 Tonttu wrote: Good pick up player wise, but it is still sad that like every Foreign team is getting only Koreans.. Can't say them to be a foreign team anymore soon. In team leagues 90% of the playtime goes for the Koreans
The reality is that Koreans are the best players and if you want your team to win you recruit the best players, who are Korean.
On December 11 2012 02:48 Talin wrote: One more anti team candidate. xD
On December 11 2012 02:31 ArvickHero wrote: spending money in the wrong places
buy a B-Team and compensate players to not travel to tournaments instead if you want to win PL. Probably expand the coaching staff while you're at it
I think Revival is just as good as Jaedong or better right now, and definitely better than Zenio. I wouldn't say It's spending the money in the wrong places. They need someone like Revival in Korea all the time if they want to compete in PL if Hero & Taeja are going to be missing a lot.
lol it's like saying if T8 bought Bisu, they would've been so much better. It doesn't really change the fundamental problem of not having enough players to maintain an optimal practice situation (where players can just focus on one map instead of having to swap maps for practice).
EGTL, get a B-team, get a better coaching staff (just buy some eSF players lol), and get your players to focus.
On December 11 2012 02:31 ArvickHero wrote: spending money in the wrong places
buy a B-Team and compensate players to not travel to tournaments instead if you want to win PL. Probably expand the coaching staff while you're at it
I think Revival is just as good as Jaedong or better right now, and definitely better than Zenio. I wouldn't say It's spending the money in the wrong places. They need someone like Revival in Korea all the time if they want to compete in PL if Hero & Taeja are going to be missing a lot.
lol it's like saying if T8 bought Bisu, they would've been so much better. It doesn't really change the fundamental problem of not having enough players to maintain an optimal practice situation (where players can just focus on one map instead of having to swap maps for practice).
EGTL, get a B-team, get a better coaching staff (just buy some eSF players lol), and get your players to focus.
One step at a time, man. You want them to sign 10 practice partners at once?
EG assembling quite a Zerg swarm now, they have Stephano, Idra, Machine, LZGamer, Suppy, Jaedong and now Revival. InControl should switch to Zerg too, he would learn so much from all those players and might be more successful! Let's face it the EG Lair is infested! The EG team now coalescing into a Hive Mind.
On December 11 2012 02:40 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: The Manchester City of esports. And of course they're going for koreans, if you take a look at big tournaments, the top8 is always made of koreans. Foreigners are nothing but mascots, keeping the fans happy.
That analogy makes no sense. Not only because Football is a team sport but also because the policy of Manchester City to buy all the best players in the world to make the ultimate team is absolutely not what EG is doing.
If you look at their picks they chose fan favorites like IdrA, Huk, Thorzain, Stephano and JD and some pretty high level players from their respective scene like Suppy, Revival and JYP. The only player not fitting these criteria is Puma who was just considered one of the best players in the world without being a big personality.
If they were like Man City, they would be going after the Korean superstars who dominate in the moment. And they would probably sink a lot of money into players whom people only really give a shit when they are winning (Puma, Jjakji, Alive, Seed, Loisira, Symbol...). Instead they get players people love no matter what their results are and players who cost them little and can get them great results.
Interesting move. Revival is not really a big figure in the scene. He has been around for a really long time, but never managed to post any results or signs of him being a strong player. Maybe it's just to fill holes in their Pro League campaign (a low tier korean Zerg player is better than nothing), maybe they see something in him, that noone else saw up to that point.
Congrats Revival. Make that money. Don't care about teams, I just love seeing players get paid. Any player getting paid by any team should be a happy occasion.
This guy deserves it. He was paying his way to tournaments with his own winnings from Playhem and other online tournaments, amazing dedication has paid off! :-)
On December 11 2012 03:01 amazingxkcd wrote: Grats for revival, but how soon can he jump into PL?
man, I'd totally trade Thorzain for Revival if I could on my FPL team. But Thorzain's point value is pretty low and I doubt I will be able to. sadface.
Nice to see, Revival has been one of my favorite streamers to watch for many months now, due in part to his hilarious taste in US pop music. Always good to see EG get stronger
and will be joining the Evil Geniuses-Team Liquid for KeSPA’s Proleague in January
Very nice. The bigger the player base, the better for those players that will be traveling to foreign events. Of course, everyone on EG-TL needs to get a lot of practice down and pull their own weight.
Denno why you guys are even getting on EG for picking up revival. Most of you are up in arms when they pick up the best of the batch and now are wondering why eg would pick up revival out of all free agents? Sometimes a team is more than just picking up the best and in this case they are possibly going for cohesion for practice and working together. !
EGs Korean roster is really lacklustre compared to their foreigner one. On the foreign side they have some of the most popular foreigners (Huk, Stephano, Idra and Thorzain) while Jaedong is the only Korean star on their team and he is still unproven in SC2.
On December 11 2012 04:26 Ettick wrote: This is so awesome, maybe I won't trade EG-TL away in FPL now lol
If you want to finish in the upper echelon it might already be too late.
The reason you cannot win with an EG-TL lineup is because these guys show up to more tournaments than any other team. Therefore, the amount of points you can earn is severely limited and unless those players start doing certain things that actually help you get passed jet lag so they don't look lethargic like T-Zain did a few days ago.
Yeah. They're a wild card, but Revival is more depth more than anything else. I think everyone saw that they were going to recruit a few more Koreans. HerO and TaeJa aren't always going to be there so they needed more.
On December 11 2012 04:27 Bowzar wrote: EGs Korean roster is really lacklustre compared to their foreigner one. On the foreign side they have some of the most popular foreigners (Huk, Stephano, Idra and Thorzain) while Jaedong is the only Korean star on their team and he is still unproven in SC2.
JD is not a star in SC2 yet. I have to keep repeating this for you guys. JYP has been doing the best out of their Korean's lately. PuMa hasn't done much of anything of late but I'd still put him over JD.
You keep hearing stories from players like MC who say JD has good ZvP. Well, he's got to show it when it counts.
Seems like they have quite a lot of players lately, I wonder who they are going to try and bump off the books to make space for all these new signings?
Somewhat expected this for Revival. I'm happy he found a great team like EG, and has PuMa and JYP to accompany him. Best of luck to Revival, EG is a great home.
The one thing I'm worried about is that EG's player purchasing might hint at cuts to their North American roster. I'm hoping that players like Machine are still relatively cheap to support & useful for sponsor promotion. It'd be sad to see players dropped, as I like most of EG's lineup.
Except Demuslim (& maybe JYP). I dunno, that handle has always bugged me. Sorry Demuslim! But his job seems safe anyway.
In any case, good pickup for the best darn e-Sports thing out there.
With the team house in korea adding on a few koreans only makes sense I guess. Any one know whats happening with JD is he staying in his kespa team house?
Why do they have to get rid of players, how do we know people like machine and LZgamer make much money with them? Incontrol is obviously worth his keep in other ways :D
On December 11 2012 05:12 Necro)Phagist( wrote: LOL EG just keep throwing money at players -.- Like the new york yankee's except they don't win....
Sounds like The Yankees are just like EG.
I wonder, can EG just take anyone or what, then why not take Polt over Revival they need a great Terran.
The sickest element to this is EG can actually use statistics now to find a certain player in their roster that is good against another rather than send any old guy they can now tailor teams just to beat a certain team. Its too early to count out EG.
Yeah EG team character is pretty bad, they pick up these good players but the chemistry seems off, they know they are more mercenary picking up a sweet paycheck than real family unit.
My failed joke was more leading to "the Yankees lose all the time too just like EG although they have a large salary"
On December 11 2012 05:08 diplomatten wrote: Polt's next. Calling it.
Polt didn't leave TSL when they were shit, everyone had left, and it was pretty much him and 10 nobodies. Now that they have himself, Hyun, Symbol, Shine, and Center, I see no reason for him to leave, especially as captain. Coach Lee pretty much sends him to every foreign tournament he wants to go to. He could probably get a good contract from a foreign team heading into 2013 because of his foreign popularity, top notch English for Koreans, personality and being a top three or so Terran, but I don't think he would leave TSL.
Those pockets 2deep4me. In all seriousness, EG solving the issue of Korean players of being "faceless" to the community, by having both foreigners AND koreans.
Ok, so just get rid of lzgamer and machine already, its weird zergs like that are still on EG when they got rid of strifecro and axslav forever ago. Either that or put them in some kind of complexity academy lol. At this point they should be paying to be on EG.
On December 11 2012 05:58 skatblast wrote: Ok, so just get rid of lzgamer and machine already, its weird zergs like that are still on EG when they got rid of strifecro and axslav forever ago. Either that or put them in some kind of complexity academy lol. At this point they should be paying to be on EG.
This pickup seems quite random to me. No big fan base, not a big marketability. Then they already have alot of high caliber zergs... I just don't understand it. Perhaps he is like a hobbit is more resistant to the one ring, more resistant to the EG.curse.
On December 11 2012 05:58 skatblast wrote: Ok, so just get rid of lzgamer and machine already, its weird zergs like that are still on EG when they got rid of strifecro and axslav forever ago. Either that or put them in some kind of complexity academy lol. At this point they should be paying to be on EG.
What you don't know is what those two contribute to the team behind the scenes. Machine for example was the first Starcraft player EG approached when they wanted to open a SC2 division, iirc. Clearly he has a deep relationship with them.
On the other hand, I'm sure you're ver knowledgeable about running businesses and you know a lot about running esports teams in particular, so please don't let me get in the way of your stellar logic .
I wonder if they'll be dropping players like Machine and LzGamer here soon. They don't do as much as InControl on the PR side and they aren't the strongest players.
Honestly, I wish EG signed another Toss or Terran. They have enough zergs as is even before Jaedong being on lease to the Team. Not to diss Revival, but I don't think he'd put up much results - he can obviously prove me wrong. But his results and history in TSL shows he's not a prospect, just another midling Korean zerg.
On December 11 2012 05:58 skatblast wrote: Ok, so just get rid of lzgamer and machine already, its weird zergs like that are still on EG when they got rid of strifecro and axslav forever ago. Either that or put them in some kind of complexity academy lol. At this point they should be paying to be on EG.
I bet Revival doesn't cost a lot and also he is a friend of JYP and Puma, so why should he be a bad pickup? If he trains hard, he can be the next Hyun! I BELIEVE <3
On December 11 2012 06:26 Zygno wrote: I bet Revival does'nt cost a lot and also he is a friend of JYP and Puma, so why should he be a bad pickup? If he trains hard, he can be the next Hyun! I BELIEVE <3
Yeah, this just occurred to me. Not every person signed to EG is gonna be swimming in cash. Let's be honest, his relative worth as a player probably not too high considering his results and how long he's been around in SC2. That being said, even if say EG did get him on the cheap, I honestly expected them to use however amount of dirty money they got to sign a better talent irregardless of them being zerg or not. Personally I wish they'd sign Illusion since Quantic got disbanded. Young guy, fairly good Foreigner Terran (sigh, so few of them), and is a player with the right training environment to be a future star imo.
But that's just me thinking out loud and expressing disappointment in Revival being signed.
On December 11 2012 05:58 skatblast wrote: Ok, so just get rid of lzgamer and machine already, its weird zergs like that are still on EG when they got rid of strifecro and axslav forever ago. Either that or put them in some kind of complexity academy lol. At this point they should be paying to be on EG.
On December 11 2012 06:42 Cush wrote: Holy shit EG, do they have endless money?
I can imagine somewhere long ago in a dark, dark cave...
"Hey Alex Garfield. We found this endless source of wealth. What should we do with it? Fund the cure for cancer? Eliminate global hunger and poverty? Discover faster than light travel?"
"No. Let's buy ALL the Starcraft players! muahahahaha."
On December 11 2012 05:58 skatblast wrote: Ok, so just get rid of lzgamer and machine already, its weird zergs like that are still on EG when they got rid of strifecro and axslav forever ago. Either that or put them in some kind of complexity academy lol. At this point they should be paying to be on EG.
Why should they get rid of their mascot?
Where did i say something about Incontrol
You silly, Incontrol is not their mascot, he is a marketing/advertisment employee.
Don't know why so many people are wondering about more pickups. With pro league participation, EG decided to go full Korean (with Korean team house and coach). GSL teams have ton of (inexpensive) players as well. Difference is, EG buys names, GSL teams recruit nonames.
On December 11 2012 06:45 Facimo wrote: i really cant agree with eg´s management, they should really focus on making their players better, instead of buying one zerg after another
what better way to make your team better than adding talented players for yours to practice with?
On December 11 2012 06:45 Facimo wrote: i really cant agree with eg´s management, they should really focus on making their players better, instead of buying one zerg after another
what better way to make your team better than adding talented players for yours to practice with?
I kinda agree with you, but at the same time having so many zergs in the long term isn't a great idea IMO. Instead of all those zergs, I would at least try to get 1 more terran and toss for the Proleague. As much of a zerg and EG fan that I am, I would've love to see some new terran and toss. Great pickup nonetheless.
On December 11 2012 06:45 Facimo wrote: i really cant agree with eg´s management, they should really focus on making their players better, instead of buying one zerg after another
what better way to make your team better than adding talented players for yours to practice with?
I kinda agree with you, but at the same time having so many zergs in the long term isn't a great idea IMO. Instead of all those zergs, I would at least try to get 1 more terran and toss for the Proleague. As much of a zerg and EG fan that I am, I would've love to see some new terran and toss. Great pickup nonetheless.
they have a house in korea and they want to fill it with players and practise. It wouldn't surprise me if EG will sign some more guys the next week or so.
I'd say the only issue is that it's slightly short-sighted.
Heart of the Swarm is coming up, and - oddly - the Zerg might well not come out of the transition on top. Having a lopsided team could really bite them in the ass if the Toss or Terran have an early advantage.
On December 11 2012 07:32 iamthedave wrote: I'd say the only issue is that it's slightly short-sighted.
Heart of the Swarm is coming up, and - oddly - the Zerg might well not come out of the transition on top. Having a lopsided team could really bite them in the ass if the Toss or Terran have an early advantage.
i dont think its like "hey zerg always win lets only sign zerg" but rather "wow look at all the great players who are zerg that we can sign"
I thought EG would lay low after Jae Dong, but they prove me wrong once again. I think their ultimate goal is to have so many players in Korea that they don't have to field any Liquid players in Proleague
On December 11 2012 05:58 skatblast wrote: Ok, so just get rid of lzgamer and machine already, its weird zergs like that are still on EG when they got rid of strifecro and axslav forever ago. Either that or put them in some kind of complexity academy lol. At this point they should be paying to be on EG.
Well, StrifeCro retired and Axslav got a better offer. It's not like they just got booted from the team, ya know?
As for LzGaMeR, he does ok for himself. And Machine might be their best marketing tool after iNcontroL. I refer you to Neglected Computers and Machine Versus Food.
Well it makes sense to pick up a player like Revival, they are participating in proleague.
If you look at EG-TL they are pretty even across the board, they might even be short of zerg when the american & european tournament circuits start up again next year. So Revival... good pick up
I thought my friend was kidding when he said he joined EG. He said Revival joined MVP but it sounded like EG so I said "EG?" and he said yeah and I said no way and so he said "MVP". But it really is EG, whoa ho ho!
Kind of weird pick-up for EG. I don't really think RevivaL brings or offers much to them. I guess it gives them depth in Korea, and he is already close with JYP and PuMa.
Edit: I've been told that EG did add a coach, although not too long ago. The foreigners are doing things right!
It's unfortunate that Revival isn't very good at Starcraft 2. I assume that he'll at least be able to get to the studio, and is unlikely to use Twitter to shit on his own team.
I feel like EG is going to become an unstoppable juggernaut. What happens when they own all the players and win all the tournaments because they've bought all the korean players? Is that even possible? I wonder how much money EG has at their disposal compared to the korean teams.
On December 11 2012 07:32 iamthedave wrote: I'd say the only issue is that it's slightly short-sighted.
Heart of the Swarm is coming up, and - oddly - the Zerg might well not come out of the transition on top. Having a lopsided team could really bite them in the ass if the Toss or Terran have an early advantage.
i dont think its like "hey zerg always win lets only sign zerg" but rather "wow look at all the great players who are zerg that we can sign"
That's what I mean about it being short-sighted. It's never nice to bring up the 'patchzerg' thing, but a lot of these zergs are not going to do as well once Heart of the Swarm comes out.
Stephano, for example, is a no-brainer to sign. I'm not so sure about Revival, though. He's good, but hardly feels top-tier in these modern days. It seems like now would be a good time to try and recruit more top league terrans and protoss, just to make sure you're well-padded against balance shifts in Heart of the Swarm.
TSL, for example, could easily plummet into garbage league if Heart isn't kind to Zergs, or even if it just badly messes with a couple of the current strategies. You can never tell how well pros react to metagame shifts. Look at MMA
EG isn't really a NA team if 5 out of 12 players are from NA. Sad that those 5 out of 12 NA players have next to zero results this year compared to other top NA teams. But I guess having foreign personalities and top level Koreans is considered NA now. I guess I'm just salty that NA teams don't have strict schedules in order to try to catch up.
On December 11 2012 07:32 iamthedave wrote: I'd say the only issue is that it's slightly short-sighted.
Heart of the Swarm is coming up, and - oddly - the Zerg might well not come out of the transition on top. Having a lopsided team could really bite them in the ass if the Toss or Terran have an early advantage.
i dont think its like "hey zerg always win lets only sign zerg" but rather "wow look at all the great players who are zerg that we can sign"
That's what I mean about it being short-sighted. It's never nice to bring up the 'patchzerg' thing, but a lot of these zergs are not going to do as well once Heart of the Swarm comes out.
Stephano, for example, is a no-brainer to sign. I'm not so sure about Revival, though. He's good, but hardly feels top-tier in these modern days. It seems like now would be a good time to try and recruit more top league terrans and protoss, just to make sure you're well-padded against balance shifts in Heart of the Swarm.
TSL, for example, could easily plummet into garbage league if Heart isn't kind to Zergs, or even if it just badly messes with a couple of the current strategies. You can never tell how well pros react to metagame shifts. Look at MMA
That's exactly why he's a good sign. He likely didn't cost much, is already in Korea so costs even less to play in ProLeague, is already content to stay in Korea most of the time, and is a solid player that will add depth to the roster.
If you look at the current free agents list, there are literally zero non-zerg players that are as good as Revival that are likely as cheap. Most that can be compared in terms of skill have already been on foreign teams and have an inflated value, or have an inflated opinion of their own value.
So I'm wondering now when we're going to see release announcements from other players, considering how massive their salary pool must be at this point. Regardless, hoping for the best for him and the team!
On December 11 2012 09:37 injecti0n wrote: So I'm wondering now when we're going to see release announcements from other players, considering how massive their salary pool must be at this point. Regardless, hoping for the best for him and the team!
I dont think it will happen. They have an alleged 1 million dollar contract with monster. Since raidcall is their title sponsor, they probably have a bigger contract. The only 2 players i can see on EG that has a 6 digit contract is stephano and jaedong. Huk obviously is not worth as much as he was last year, idra the same, puma the same, they probably didnt sign jyp for much either. If my numbers are correct, i think they could sign much more players.
On December 11 2012 09:37 injecti0n wrote: So I'm wondering now when we're going to see release announcements from other players, considering how massive their salary pool must be at this point. Regardless, hoping for the best for him and the team!
I dont think it will happen. They have an alleged 1 million dollar contract with monster. Since raidcall is their title sponsor, they probably have a bigger contract. The only 2 players i can see on EG that has a 6 digit contract is stephano and jaedong. Huk obviously is not worth as much as he was last year, idra the same, puma the same, they probably didnt sign jyp for much either. If my numbers are correct, i think they could sign much more players.
I guess we will find out when EG tries to steal Hero and Taeja.
Lol, it will be funny when the leagues switch to hots in 2 months and all the EG zergs get owned because they can't use infestor/broods anymore. Maxing out on zergs should have been done 8 months ago, it's a bit too late now. (unless they trade him in 2-3 months)
On December 11 2012 09:53 Fluid wrote: Lol, it will be funny when the leagues switch to hots in 2 months and all the EG zergs get owned because they can't use infestor/broods anymore. Maxing out on zergs should have been done 8 months ago, it's a bit too late now. (unless they trade him in 2-3 months)
On December 11 2012 09:53 Fluid wrote: Lol, it will be funny when the leagues switch to hots in 2 months and all the EG zergs get owned because they can't use infestor/broods anymore. Maxing out on zergs should have been done 8 months ago, it's a bit too late now. (unless they trade him in 2-3 months)
I dont know about that. Idra looks good in Beta just using blinding cloud.
On December 11 2012 00:58 DiMano wrote: I think EG does not know who else is teamless now I will help: 1) Genius 2) TOP 3) San 4) Sage 5) YugiOh 6) Alicia 7) TheStC 8) GanZi 9) InCa 10) VINES 11) Arthur 12) Sleep
lol, good work. It'd be great if EG picked up a few of the Toss/Terrans on this list. It seems like they're trying to take Acer's Zerg title.
On December 11 2012 09:53 Fluid wrote: Lol, it will be funny when the leagues switch to hots in 2 months and all the EG zergs get owned because they can't use infestor/broods anymore. Maxing out on zergs should have been done 8 months ago, it's a bit too late now. (unless they trade him in 2-3 months)
Theyre just following the metagame, and idra has been playing hots without having to rely on those two units to win too but okay. You could also say the same thing to every other zerg no?
On December 11 2012 00:58 DiMano wrote: I think EG does not know who else is teamless now I will help: 1) Genius 2) TOP 3) San 4) Sage 5) YugiOh 6) Alicia 7) TheStC 8) GanZi 9) InCa 10) VINES 11) Arthur 12) Sleep
lol, good work. It'd be great if EG picked up a few of the Toss/Terrans on this list. It seems like they're trying to take Acer's Zerg title.
On December 11 2012 09:37 injecti0n wrote: So I'm wondering now when we're going to see release announcements from other players, considering how massive their salary pool must be at this point. Regardless, hoping for the best for him and the team!
I dont think it will happen. They have an alleged 1 million dollar contract with monster. Since raidcall is their title sponsor, they probably have a bigger contract. The only 2 players i can see on EG that has a 6 digit contract is stephano and jaedong. Huk obviously is not worth as much as he was last year, idra the same, puma the same, they probably didnt sign jyp for much either. If my numbers are correct, i think they could sign much more players.
I wonder if their plan is to have so many koreans, that the international players can all do 1-on-1 practice time with a korean and learn a TON that they wouldn't have learned otherwise. They have enough players now that a korean could train a foreigner all day instead of the koreans being shared among many.
On December 11 2012 11:32 emc wrote: I wonder if their plan is to have so many koreans, that the international players can all do 1-on-1 practice time with a korean and learn a TON that they wouldn't have learned otherwise. They have enough players now that a korean could train a foreigner all day instead of the koreans being shared among many.
koreans training with foreigners 1 on 1...
now the question is, does that help the foreigner get to the korean's level, or does it cause the korean to decline to a foreigner level? my guess is a mix of both..
I hope they will pick up theStC, he is an awesome player and is still teamless. Since he was in a kespateam already, he has also some experience for Proleague.
On December 11 2012 11:32 emc wrote: I wonder if their plan is to have so many koreans, that the international players can all do 1-on-1 practice time with a korean and learn a TON that they wouldn't have learned otherwise. They have enough players now that a korean could train a foreigner all day instead of the koreans being shared among many.
koreans training with foreigners 1 on 1...
now the question is, does that help the foreigner get to the korean's level, or does it cause the korean to decline to a foreigner level? my guess is a mix of both..
If the Korean can't speak english well, there's no way they can give decent tips or explain why they do what they do Well, better than nothing I guess...
On December 11 2012 06:45 Facimo wrote: i really cant agree with eg´s management, they should really focus on making their players better, instead of buying one zerg after another
what better way to make your team better than adding talented players for yours to practice with?
Well it certainly hasn't worked so far for EG. Not sure how Revival could tip the scales.
Grats to Revival but... i always thought he was one of the weaker Korean Zergs out there of any notoriety. Seems like an odd signing, and the TLPD data isn't convincing me otherwise. Whatever, GL HF!
Keep in mind EG doesn't need to just sign all the best players and pay them all huge amounts of money. It's smarter to sign some lesser players and pay them less, but round out your team. They may well not have enough money to stack a full Proleague team of six figure players.
On December 11 2012 09:37 injecti0n wrote: So I'm wondering now when we're going to see release announcements from other players, considering how massive their salary pool must be at this point. Regardless, hoping for the best for him and the team!
I dont think it will happen. They have an alleged 1 million dollar contract with monster. Since raidcall is their title sponsor, they probably have a bigger contract. The only 2 players i can see on EG that has a 6 digit contract is stephano and jaedong. Huk obviously is not worth as much as he was last year, idra the same, puma the same, they probably didnt sign jyp for much either. If my numbers are correct, i think they could sign much more players.
Where is your source for all of this?
I think the 1 million dollar contract was said by slasher (not positive, could be someone else). Stephano was speculated to be making 96k a year. Jaedong was being paid 6 digits in Oz, who knows if he was making that on T8 or if EG offered him that much. The other things are just speculation. Then again I am really biased towards EG so I could be attempting to create a delusion in which EG won't run out of money.
On December 11 2012 09:37 injecti0n wrote: So I'm wondering now when we're going to see release announcements from other players, considering how massive their salary pool must be at this point. Regardless, hoping for the best for him and the team!
I dont think it will happen. They have an alleged 1 million dollar contract with monster. Since raidcall is their title sponsor, they probably have a bigger contract. The only 2 players i can see on EG that has a 6 digit contract is stephano and jaedong. Huk obviously is not worth as much as he was last year, idra the same, puma the same, they probably didnt sign jyp for much either. If my numbers are correct, i think they could sign much more players.
Where is your source for all of this?
I think the 1 million dollar contract was said by slasher (not positive, could be someone else). Stephano was speculated to be making 96k a year. Jaedong was being paid 6 digits in Oz, who knows if he was making that on T8 or if EG offered him that much. The other things are just speculation. Then again I am really biased towards EG so I could be attempting to create a delusion in which EG won't run out of money.
On December 11 2012 09:37 injecti0n wrote: So I'm wondering now when we're going to see release announcements from other players, considering how massive their salary pool must be at this point. Regardless, hoping for the best for him and the team!
I dont think it will happen. They have an alleged 1 million dollar contract with monster. Since raidcall is their title sponsor, they probably have a bigger contract. The only 2 players i can see on EG that has a 6 digit contract is stephano and jaedong. Huk obviously is not worth as much as he was last year, idra the same, puma the same, they probably didnt sign jyp for much either. If my numbers are correct, i think they could sign much more players.
Where is your source for all of this?
I think the 1 million dollar contract was said by slasher (not positive, could be someone else). Stephano was speculated to be making 96k a year. Jaedong was being paid 6 digits in Oz, who knows if he was making that on T8 or if EG offered him that much. The other things are just speculation. Then again I am really biased towards EG so I could be attempting to create a delusion in which EG won't run out of money.
So in short you don't have one.
If I wanted to I could find the one about the million dollar contract, the stephano contract, and the jaedong contract.
If EG were smart, they'd look into letting their T players' contracts expire in the spring and replacing them with zergs. Very good pickup here, though.
It is very popular nowadays to get Zerg players. But some day they will no longer be that strong... same as Terrans are no longer strong. EG will have quite a lot, well... Zergs.
On December 11 2012 09:37 injecti0n wrote: So I'm wondering now when we're going to see release announcements from other players, considering how massive their salary pool must be at this point. Regardless, hoping for the best for him and the team!
I dont think it will happen. They have an alleged 1 million dollar contract with monster. Since raidcall is their title sponsor, they probably have a bigger contract. The only 2 players i can see on EG that has a 6 digit contract is stephano and jaedong. Huk obviously is not worth as much as he was last year, idra the same, puma the same, they probably didnt sign jyp for much either. If my numbers are correct, i think they could sign much more players.
Where is your source for all of this?
I think the 1 million dollar contract was said by slasher (not positive, could be someone else). Stephano was speculated to be making 96k a year. Jaedong was being paid 6 digits in Oz, who knows if he was making that on T8 or if EG offered him that much. The other things are just speculation. Then again I am really biased towards EG so I could be attempting to create a delusion in which EG won't run out of money.
So in short you don't have one.
If I wanted to I could find the one about the million dollar contract, the stephano contract, and the jaedong contract.
Man with all these continuing pickups, I'm gonna not be able to name the full EG roster after a while! Great news for Revival, though. Even more opportunities to compete in tournaments.
hate on eg all you want, but if they keep up that pace in terms of getting a quality roster not primarily skillwise (though Jaedong, Stephano, Puma, Revival and JYP in topcondition are outright scary) but marketingwise, they will be one of the biggest helpers for e-sports on its way up to an seriously taken business.
currently the roster of EG is: a) The north american sc-legend, the Evil Genius in person, IdrA b) The best foreigner of 2011 and one of the most likable players in the scene, Huk c) The probably best or second best european terran, Thorzain d) A rising american player with much promise, Suppy e) The best foreigner at the moment, Stephano f) One of the most accomplished korean terrans in 2011, Puma g) A korean protoss who has the potential to be one of the very best if not for his awful PvT, JYP h) One of the most consistent korean zergs from a team with many consistent and good zergs, Revival i) Motherfiretrucking Jaedong
also there are Incontrol, Machine, LzGamer and Demuslim, who maybe don't get the great results or have accomplished as much as the others on the roster, but nonetheless they are contributing to EG through excessive streaming and commentary in tournaments. for me, EG is probably one of the biggest factors for the success of e-sports in the western world.
Nice signing, Revival is a pretty underrated Zerg I would say. He hasn't had a major tournament win, but he has been more or less consistent at every event he's been to. These type of players seem to flourish in team leagues.
They've been missing a Korean Zerg and they like to pick up who they believe to be underrated and underperforming Koreans in hope that they'd reach their potential so I'd say it's a typical EG pickup, not too surprised seeing he's former teammates with JYP and Puma on TSL but I can't say I saw this coming.
Maybe EG's plan is to have soo many players that they can create sub teams and those sub teams will battle against each other. But then eventually those smaller teams will star aquiring more players and they themselves will form another sub group of teams. infinite regression
On December 11 2012 00:44 EnumaAvalon wrote: Where does EG get the money?! Grats though )
They are the hardest working e-sports team, by a long way. Look at the EG Masters, stormville showmatch series, the amount of stream time its sponsors get, they amount of face time idra, incontrol get at a tournament. Sponsors pay premium for that kinda of exposure, and so they should!
But also, this might probably (dont want to lean myself so far out of the window) mean that players like DeMusliM, maybe even IdrA and ThorZain may be put way behind the korean roster of EG.
In a few months, half of the sc2 players in the world, would have signed with EG if this continues...
On December 11 2012 19:18 boxerfred wrote: So... Stephano, JaeDong, Revival, EG-TL.... That might have been the Year of Liquid, but I think it's now EG rising...
Signing new players all the time but doesn't really win more/any big tournaments. Liquid only needs 1 player for that. I'am not impressed. They are just stacking huge names on top of each other, but apparently not gaining anything.
On December 11 2012 19:31 boxerfred wrote: But also, this might probably (dont want to lean myself so far out of the window) mean that players like DeMusliM, maybe even IdrA and ThorZain may be put way behind the korean roster of EG.
IdrA is like a money making machine for EG and it sponsors loved or hated by everyone so people like to watch him win or fail.
so many players now its kind of insane, overkill i'd say from an outsider point of view but what's my opinion worth. Revival is a good sign, even better now that the unholy alliance is basically just a top teir korean team signed by foreign money.
nice pickup, mabye in 30 years if canada/US are still around we might actully have the infrrastructure to play like koreans with fiber. and mabye have a better chance and getting on teams. US teams are more Korean that american, no problem. Sucks for us westerners. Id much rathre watch egincontrol loose a series over seeing another boring korean win one. Laungue barrier is a huge problem
If EG keeps this up they'll have more Koreans than Liquid. Shame to see them not really doing anything to support up-and-coming NA talent: the only way the foreign scene can compete (other than buying out Korean players) is to give those guys the support they need and a good environment to train in.
Are people really complaining EG has too many players? They have two team houses!! They should have more players.. Otherwise, having two houses would be kind of pointless and a waste.
On December 12 2012 03:45 oGsTrueSmug wrote: If EG keeps this up they'll have more Koreans than Liquid. Shame to see them not really doing anything to support up-and-coming NA talent: the only way the foreign scene can compete (other than buying out Korean players) is to give those guys the support they need and a good environment to train in.
They need to be prove they have value first. EG has no problems signing foreigners or NA players. They added Thorzain, Suppy and Stephano this year.
On December 11 2012 22:36 iiGreetings wrote: so many players now its kind of insane, overkill i'd say from an outsider point of view but what's my opinion worth. Revival is a good sign, even better now that the unholy alliance is basically just a top teir korean team signed by foreign money.
Your opinion isn't worth much because you're complaining about a team who has too many players when your favorite team happens to be Startale who have 22 players. I mean really?
On December 11 2012 22:36 iiGreetings wrote: so many players now its kind of insane, overkill i'd say from an outsider point of view but what's my opinion worth. Revival is a good sign, even better now that the unholy alliance is basically just a top teir korean team signed by foreign money.
Your opinion isn't worth much because you're complaining about a team who has too many players when your favorite team happens to be Startale who have 22 players. I mean really?
People don't understand why Korean/Kespa teams are good. Essentially you need two rosters of players, an A team that will be your actual roster, and the other 10-15 people that will help make your A team as good as they can be, and perhaps one day take their place.
On December 12 2012 07:01 Ksquared wrote: EGTL is looking even scarier now
Why do all say EGTL looks scary, i would be surprised, if they wouldn't be the last place in proleague. The kespateams practice 10 times harde,r it is their own league, they know exactly how to prepare for it and a new team won't show good results that fast. And after the stomp they got vs KT the hype should be gone already.
On December 12 2012 07:01 Ksquared wrote: EGTL is looking even scarier now
Why do all say EGTL looks scary, i would be surprised, if they wouldn't be the last place in proleague. The kespateams practice 10 times harde,r it is their own league, they know exactly how to prepare for it and a new team won't show good results that fast. And after the stomp they got vs KT the hype should be gone already.
The stomp was with 100% of their heavy hitters sitting out. Granted, they would have probably lost anyway with JYP losing his PvP and JD getting smashed by the same timing over and over again, but it wouldn't have been so one sided either.
On December 11 2012 20:25 JustPassingBy wrote: Revival will definitely boost their proleague roster. I hope they will be able to deploy him, even though he joined the team after the league began.
I'm sorry, but could you remind me the last time Revival won anything? When was the last time he even beat a code S level player?
I don't understand all this hype for a player who was basically just an understudy of Hyun. And his career win rate never even peaked over 50%.
On December 11 2012 20:25 JustPassingBy wrote: Revival will definitely boost their proleague roster. I hope they will be able to deploy him, even though he joined the team after the league began.
I'm sorry, but could you remind me the last time Revival won anything? When was the last time he even beat a code S level player?
I don't understand all this hype for a player who was basically just an understudy of Hyun. And his career win rate never even peaked over 50%.
Revival is more of the borderline Code A/B player who only really had success in European online cups. He might not be the most accomplished, but he can be used to snipe players of his skill level, and is a really good practice partner probably.
On December 11 2012 20:25 JustPassingBy wrote: Revival will definitely boost their proleague roster. I hope they will be able to deploy him, even though he joined the team after the league began.
I'm sorry, but could you remind me the last time Revival won anything? When was the last time he even beat a code S level player?
I don't understand all this hype for a player who was basically just an understudy of Hyun. And his career win rate never even peaked over 50%.
I'm sorry, but could you remind me again how many ProLeague players are actually consistent Code S caliber?
Not every player needs to be an ace. A solid player in a good practice environment with the right preparation is all that is needed.
On December 11 2012 20:25 JustPassingBy wrote: Revival will definitely boost their proleague roster. I hope they will be able to deploy him, even though he joined the team after the league began.
I'm sorry, but could you remind me the last time Revival won anything? When was the last time he even beat a code S level player?
I don't understand all this hype for a player who was basically just an understudy of Hyun. And his career win rate never even peaked over 50%.
Revival is more of the borderline Code A/B player who only really had success in European online cups. He might not be the most accomplished, but he can be used to snipe players of his skill level, and is a really good practice partner probably.
EG Manager: So I see Zerg has been winning a lot lately. Let's buy them. EG Underling: Buy them? But. . .Zerg isn't a player, it's a race. EG Manager: Yes. Buy them. Buy ALL of them.
And thus was Zerg cursed with a patch and never again will they win a GSL.
On December 12 2012 10:28 wildstyle1337 wrote: now machine, incontrol, lzgamer can retire
I don't understand the put-downs towards Lz that I've seen lately. He did really well in the open bracket at the last MLG and is a pretty solid player.
I'm happy for Revival. I've been following his stream for a long time and hope he does well.
On December 12 2012 21:18 keeperton wrote: I don't understand the put-downs towards Lz that I've seen lately. He did really well in the open bracket at the last MLG and is a pretty solid player.
They're not put-downs towards Lz. It's the acknowledgment that EG is a top team, and players in top teams are compared with other top players. I don't want to bash on Lz at all, but according to sc2earnings the man has made a total of 20 dollars in prize money in 2011 and 2012 combined. One or two acceptable runs in MLG aren't going to change that statistic.
So calling him a pretty solid player, considering he is in the nr.1 American based team, just doesn't make much sense. You're not supposed to compare him to Master level NA players.
On December 11 2012 20:25 JustPassingBy wrote: Revival will definitely boost their proleague roster. I hope they will be able to deploy him, even though he joined the team after the league began.
I'm sorry, but could you remind me the last time Revival won anything? When was the last time he even beat a code S level player?
I don't understand all this hype for a player who was basically just an understudy of Hyun. And his career win rate never even peaked over 50%.
Sorry but where's the hype? I don't see many people saying he's going to win a bunch of tournaments or be eg's ace. Some signings are for team cohesion and to add depth. The press release clearly reveals that he's on good terms with eg players and they see value in him. People complain when eg sign top tier players and they complain when they sign lower tier players....People just like to complain about eg. Every Korean team has players who aren't code s, doesn't mean they don't play an important role.
On December 11 2012 20:25 JustPassingBy wrote: Revival will definitely boost their proleague roster. I hope they will be able to deploy him, even though he joined the team after the league began.
I'm sorry, but could you remind me the last time Revival won anything? When was the last time he even beat a code S level player?
I don't understand all this hype for a player who was basically just an understudy of Hyun. And his career win rate never even peaked over 50%.
Maybe he's there to be incontrols understudy. Same w/l same success! Why does this feel like a situation where a company more money than they know what to do with? More power to a E-Sports team that is financially successful. But at some point the announcers are going to say "Now for our finals we have EG<fill in the blank> versus EG<fill in the blank." I wonder who will win! More teams need to follow EG's business model or we will need to invoke anti-trust laws
On December 12 2012 03:27 creamyturtle wrote: EG is like the Yankees of eSports..... except they never win
If there were a total of 100 sc2 players, EG would recruit 99 of them. And the one player they didn't recruit would probably win...most likely GoOdy - The Panzer General!
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