KeSPA response to EN broadcast + PL on Twitch.TV - Page 20

erik lonnquist ‏@ggDoA
Will be casting proleague tomorrow and Sunday. After that it's all IEG. We'll have more SC2 at OGN before to long though...
8:04 AM - 7 Dez 12 · Details

On December 08 2012 02:21 Taipoka wrote:


Now you have a point.
People behind the anonymity of a forum nick, just don´t realize Doa is not a nick.
He is an employee, as anyone in their own job.
You, as a employee dont talk about your boss or his partners in these terms:

"...but I'm frankly tired of KeSPA's lame ploys to try to keep control over something they never should have been in control if in the first place. "
or
"That's your choice and I don't have any business telling you not to watch a game and players that you love because of idiotic corporate politics that you aren't a part of and frankly don't deserve to be hurt by."
or
"Is there a possibility things might change? Possibly. If KeSPA feels enough pressure they might bend. "
or
"KeSPA has also been approaching english casters about the job, but so far none have accepted that I'm aware of. Not surprising"

You just don´t talk about the partners of your boss in these terms. Plain and simple.

On December 08 2012 02:40 Bareleon wrote:
So... it starts in about 9 hours and 20 min?

On December 08 2012 03:05 Bareleon wrote:


Anyone? I really want to. Well its gonna be less now.

On December 08 2012 02:59 felisconcolori wrote:


Re-read the KeSPA statement. They are not negotiating broadcasting details - the broadcasting details have been affected by larger negotiation.

On December 07 2012 17:18 Wedge wrote:
"OnGameNet caster DoA, who wrote a distorted, easily misunderstood post based on one-sided misinformation, has apologized for has made a correction. The association plans to immediately respond to the spread of baseless rumors rooted in distorted information."

Lol, went in on him pretty harshly.

On December 08 2012 02:23 felisconcolori wrote:


It's just a misunderstanding because of some confusion because someone was misinformed. Not really - the information DoA had was relatively accurate - OGN was going to do English casting, and then OGN wasn't going to do English casting.



Y'know, if you all were less secretive in your decision making process, this would be less likely to happen. Also, the entire phrase "prevent cannibalization of the market between the two, and create synergy to stabilize international broadcast services" is utter and complete business buzzspeak. If you wanted to "create synergy to stabilize international broadcast services" you would be best served creating a consortium with GomTV - as they have the experience and trust in the International broadcast services arena. KeSPA, IEG, and OnGameNet are not as well known outside of Korea, and what it really sounds like is that "the old guard" are banding together to prevent competition between them so they can more effectively compete with others.


So, your friend OGN is the one to blame, since they are making the decision not to create an English broadcast without an agreement. Who put forward the idea to extend the negotiations? Again, if things were slightly more transparent, might be less prone to misinformation. (Also can lend power to negotiations - I would think as a government agency, you would know this. Then again, government agency.)


When wanting to work with another organization, and stating that you are still in negotiations, using this specific verbiage to address the reactions of one person could be a problem. The rumors themselves were not baseless - they were grounded in specific information that OGN was not doing English production. That is a fact, which you've now stated is only until a final agreement has been reached. The only reason it's one-sided is that you've been remarkably quiet about the Proleague towards the international audience. All of the "hype" has come from the name, from the history... remarkably little specific information is available. I can see a schedule that's been updated. Most of the rest of the official site (in English) hasn't been updated since 2010. It's not promising, and really, it reinforces the view that the International audience is an afterthought to KeSPA. These were not baseless rumors (see above). They may have been a result of incorrect information, but saying "distorted" information suggests (in the connotative sense) a deliberate twisting of information to support a specific view. In effect, your English translation is vaguely implying that DoA deliberately set out to hurt KeSPA. That's not the case.

Also, as you plan to respond to spreading baseless rumors and distorted information, where is the application process for me to become one of your redditor responders? Because you'll need an army of them, and with native English proficiency, to begin to even get noticed over there. (Or here, for that matter.) On second thought, a simpler question is "What social media consultants have you retained for this cause?"


YAY! Except... what kind of negotiations do you need to do to upload the VODs to youtube? Are the rights issues that thorny? Blizzard would seem to be okay with it (not sure if they are monetizing such an agreement at this time - they might be, but negotiations would seem to be one sided in Blizzard's favor) judging by the amount of StarCraft content already on YouTube, and that neither Husky, TB, StarCrafts, etc have been hit with take down notices. So maybe the negotiations are between the association and consortium members for the consortium that you said early isn't quite there yet? You said you were in talks to create a consortium... apparently there is stress there, and that consortium is the source of the entire problem. Stress in the consortium negotiations means prolonged negotiations means OGN's internal messaging causes concern to their internal English speaking members, who express that concern, which causes great consternation from the wider global audience, which leads to what might be understood to be a typical governmental response with a KeSPA flavor.

Questions I'm pondering - when exactly did KeSPA approach MLG concerning English broadcast of the proleague? Who else are you approaching? Why isn't it a "bid" process, or maybe an auction?
How are the negotiations going to form the consortium of KeSPA, IEG, and OGN? Have you considered, even for a moment, including GomTV in such negotiations? If they are truly to prevent market cannibalization and create synergy to stabilize the delivery of content, I would imagine you should involve all content generators in that market segment in negotiations to create such a consortium. (Or, more aptly, monopoly cartel.) It would allow you to distribute the market in a fair way, and cooperate to ensure that all production content delivered is at a specific standard.

...pondering deleting entire post - yes, I know KeSPA is unlikely to respond to this, and many other people may reply with negative reaction or a great deal of picking apart and such.

But hell, all I'm posting is my personal reaction and thoughts on it. If anyone actually replies to it with intelligent, reasoned information maybe I'll learn something. Or maybe not. I could be wrong in any of these points. I could be right. I think there are good questions though.

On December 08 2012 03:10 sc14s wrote:

typical kespa tbh, blame everyone but themselves

On December 08 2012 03:10 sc14s wrote:

typical kespa tbh, blame everyone but themselves

On December 08 2012 03:20 iamthedave wrote:


Typical TL, never giving KesPA an inch.

It's pretty tedious seeing how hypocritical the SC2 community is. Half the time we blather on about professionalism, and then as soon as someone we like acts in a completely unprofessional manner we take their side. Doa should not have spoken about this, period. His opinion isn't needed and in this case was damaging and fueled pointless drama.

On December 08 2012 02:48 kc2siq wrote:
Serious question, did DoA sign an NDA?

B/c whether or not he can be held responsible seems to be dependent on any confidentiality terms and agreements. If he didn't sign one then that's bad business sense by an organization like KESPA and OGN.

On December 08 2012 03:26 ZerglingTwins wrote:


.....
Do you know anything about working for other people?

There are plenty of reasons to fire people, or no reason at all. NDA is a serious issue, that's the reason to sue people, fire and sue are completely different. If you get sued by employer, you are surely already fired. Let alone, this is just a criticize from KeSPA, and OGN certainly is not happy with DoA's post also.

On December 08 2012 03:20 iamthedave wrote:


Typical TL, never giving KesPA an inch.

It's pretty tedious seeing how hypocritical the SC2 community is. Half the time we blather on about professionalism, and then as soon as someone we like acts in a completely unprofessional manner we take their side. Doa should not have spoken about this, period. His opinion isn't needed and in this case was damaging and fueled pointless drama.

On December 08 2012 03:20 iamthedave wrote:


Typical TL, never giving KesPA an inch.

It's pretty tedious seeing how hypocritical the SC2 community is. Half the time we blather on about professionalism, and then as soon as someone we like acts in a completely unprofessional manner we take their side. Doa should not have spoken about this, period. His opinion isn't needed and in this case was damaging and fueled pointless drama.

On December 08 2012 03:40 TeeTS wrote:


I assume noone should speak about anything then. Free media, pfffft only the big companies are allowed to spread information. Who needs journalism if the ones with the cash can dictate what the mass needs to know?