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Correction: Daily ESPORTS mistakenly reported earlier that Jaedong would return to Team Eight immediately should they find a sponsor. This was a misunderstanding; Jaedong's 1 year period with EG is binding.
Art.FeeL
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1163 Posts
December 08 2012 19:47 GMT
#2181
Why don't they simply remove those rocks in front of the natural. That should make easier for zergs to engage on Ohana.
I am a great believer in luck. The harder I work the luckier I am.
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
December 08 2012 19:59 GMT
#2182
On December 09 2012 04:36 kcdc wrote:
JD played terribly in that first PL game. NA Masters could have done better. It was a little painful to watch. Hopefully that was just a bad game for him because there's a huge gap between that level of play and being able to compete with the best palyers in the world.

People are really over sensationalizing how bad he played. JD stopped droning almost completely by the 8 min mark and was relying on engaging the protoss army early, he just missed his window after Stats scouted his army at the watch tower and made 2 extra warpins before moving out past midmap. There wasn't much he could do from that point. He should have been more aggressive with the early units he invested in, but NA masters level? that's ridiculous.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
kcdc
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2311 Posts
December 08 2012 20:13 GMT
#2183
On December 09 2012 04:59 Tachion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2012 04:36 kcdc wrote:
JD played terribly in that first PL game. NA Masters could have done better. It was a little painful to watch. Hopefully that was just a bad game for him because there's a huge gap between that level of play and being able to compete with the best palyers in the world.

People are really over sensationalizing how bad he played. JD stopped droning almost completely by the 8 min mark and was relying on engaging the protoss army early, he just missed his window after Stats scouted his army at the watch tower and made 2 extra warpins before moving out past midmap. There wasn't much he could do from that point. He should have been more aggressive with the early units he invested in, but NA masters level? that's ridiculous.

JD waited until Protoss was approaching the Zerg natural before engaging. There's no reason to make that mistake. He got full scouting information early on, saw it was THE most common build Protoss does, and he simply didn't know how to respond.

It's a strong rush, I get that. Even with good play, JD might have lost to the rush because it can be really hard to defend even if you know what you're doing. But it seemed pretty clear that JD didn't know what he was doing. And he wasn't anywhere close to defending it.
Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2779 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-08 20:24:19
December 08 2012 20:21 GMT
#2184
Dude, calm the FUCK (ok sorry, when I wrote this I had just woke up) down. The immortal all-in is THE rush, where when you win, you win by the barest of margins, and if you LOSE, it's by a landslide. What does that say about it where even with good play, Zerg often loses?

This rush MAGNIFIES the Zerg player's mistakes. I understand you're pissed off that Jaedong lost (FUCK), but if there is one thing he would lose to it is this.
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
Willba
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom209 Posts
December 08 2012 20:29 GMT
#2185
On December 09 2012 05:13 kcdc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2012 04:59 Tachion wrote:
On December 09 2012 04:36 kcdc wrote:
JD played terribly in that first PL game. NA Masters could have done better. It was a little painful to watch. Hopefully that was just a bad game for him because there's a huge gap between that level of play and being able to compete with the best palyers in the world.

People are really over sensationalizing how bad he played. JD stopped droning almost completely by the 8 min mark and was relying on engaging the protoss army early, he just missed his window after Stats scouted his army at the watch tower and made 2 extra warpins before moving out past midmap. There wasn't much he could do from that point. He should have been more aggressive with the early units he invested in, but NA masters level? that's ridiculous.

JD waited until Protoss was approaching the Zerg natural before engaging. There's no reason to make that mistake. He got full scouting information early on, saw it was THE most common build Protoss does, and he simply didn't know how to respond.

It's a strong rush, I get that. Even with good play, JD might have lost to the rush because it can be really hard to defend even if you know what you're doing. But it seemed pretty clear that JD didn't know what he was doing. And he wasn't anywhere close to defending it.


Just admit you were overreacting saying he was masters level. Tachion agreed that JD made mistakes yet you just abandon the statement he was arguing against and start trying to address mistakes that have already been noted.
kcdc
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2311 Posts
December 08 2012 20:45 GMT
#2186
Chill guys. JD played really badly that game. If you put a random NA or EU Masters Zerg player in that game, there's a good chance that they would perform better than JD did. JD's supply was low, his decisions were bad, his control was lacking. I'm not saying JD is as bad as he played in that game. Maybe he just had a bad showing. But if that game was representative of his current SC2 skill level, he has a LONG ways to go before he's competitive at the pro level.
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
December 08 2012 20:53 GMT
#2187
On December 09 2012 05:13 kcdc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2012 04:59 Tachion wrote:
On December 09 2012 04:36 kcdc wrote:
JD played terribly in that first PL game. NA Masters could have done better. It was a little painful to watch. Hopefully that was just a bad game for him because there's a huge gap between that level of play and being able to compete with the best palyers in the world.

People are really over sensationalizing how bad he played. JD stopped droning almost completely by the 8 min mark and was relying on engaging the protoss army early, he just missed his window after Stats scouted his army at the watch tower and made 2 extra warpins before moving out past midmap. There wasn't much he could do from that point. He should have been more aggressive with the early units he invested in, but NA masters level? that's ridiculous.

JD waited until Protoss was approaching the Zerg natural before engaging. There's no reason to make that mistake. He got full scouting information early on, saw it was THE most common build Protoss does, and he simply didn't know how to respond.

It's a strong rush, I get that. Even with good play, JD might have lost to the rush because it can be really hard to defend even if you know what you're doing. But it seemed pretty clear that JD didn't know what he was doing. And he wasn't anywhere close to defending it.


If only he had you to coach him. Reach out to him on twitter, maybe you can teach him how to play.
PyreSC
Profile Joined September 2010
United States258 Posts
December 09 2012 02:41 GMT
#2188
Jaedong on EG is more a long term investment, I feel. We have already seen Flash go from some masters player, at first, to a top 3 MLG + Code A participant and who dominated the first Pro League match. I think Jaedong will reach his potential sooner or later and dominate (:
ucsd~
CreatorofRagnarok
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada13 Posts
December 09 2012 02:47 GMT
#2189
Crazy as fuck, too bad the EG curse doesnt apply to someone who sucked before they were took in right? Or will he drop even lower
Former GM, current Leaguer
sekritzzz
Profile Joined December 2010
1515 Posts
December 09 2012 02:56 GMT
#2190
On December 09 2012 11:41 PyreSC wrote:
Jaedong on EG is more a long term investment, I feel. We have already seen Flash go from some masters player, at first, to a top 3 MLG + Code A participant and who dominated the first Pro League match. I think Jaedong will reach his potential sooner or later and dominate (:

are you serious? Investing in Jaedong is a long term investment???? then again considering EG's other investment's I guess it can be seen in this light.
ljd1131
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Australia83 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-09 03:08:45
December 09 2012 03:04 GMT
#2191
On December 09 2012 05:45 kcdc wrote:
Chill guys. JD played really badly that game. If you put a random NA or EU Masters Zerg player in that game, there's a good chance that they would perform better than JD did. JD's supply was low, his decisions were bad, his control was lacking. I'm not saying JD is as bad as he played in that game. Maybe he just had a bad showing. But if that game was representative of his current SC2 skill level, he has a LONG ways to go before he's competitive at the pro level.

Wow you should really never talk if you just say things you have no idea about
JD lost because he cut early to try and do a run by with lings so he delayed his queen and drone production for 4 quick lings which didn't work out
So he was just behind the entire game and really couldn't do anything but make that big army off a low drone count and hope for a catch mid map,but stats made a obs earlier and saw the big army at the watch tower so he just delayed for a another warp in cycle then crushed him
Jaedong actually made the best decision he could make considering the scenario after that early game
Eifer
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States138 Posts
December 09 2012 03:20 GMT
#2192
On December 09 2012 11:56 sekritzzz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2012 11:41 PyreSC wrote:
Jaedong on EG is more a long term investment, I feel. We have already seen Flash go from some masters player, at first, to a top 3 MLG + Code A participant and who dominated the first Pro League match. I think Jaedong will reach his potential sooner or later and dominate (:

are you serious? Investing in Jaedong is a long term investment???? then again considering EG's other investment's I guess it can be seen in this light.


Just like when you play at different blind sizes in poker, you make differently sized bets, so too do you weigh periods of time according to the context they're provided in. The qualifications for lengths of time in SC2 are much smaller than, say, financial investments in stocks or bonds. Long term for SC2 is year(s) not decade(s). At least respect Pyre.
MetalPanda
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1152 Posts
December 09 2012 04:14 GMT
#2193
Jaedong had showed good games in GSL, while he lost his games he played really solid. It's just a matter of time, and with his new teammates I expect good results from him within the next 2 months.
Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2779 Posts
December 09 2012 04:19 GMT
#2194
When's the Dong going to stream (I'm so fucking excited lol).

Can't fucking wait <3.
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
Grimmyman123
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada939 Posts
December 09 2012 04:34 GMT
#2195
Pity the EG/TL team had such a poor turnout for its proleague debut. Maybe they can take a single game next round... Going to be a long grind me thinks.
Win. That's all that matters. Win. Nobody likes to lose.
CreatorofRagnarok
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada13 Posts
December 09 2012 04:45 GMT
#2196
Eg-Tl probably wont do very well, simply because they only have 3 players who can compete with the opposing skill, they will probably just go middling
Former GM, current Leaguer
sva
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States748 Posts
December 09 2012 04:59 GMT
#2197
On December 09 2012 13:45 CreatorofRagnarok wrote:
Eg-Tl probably wont do very well, simply because they only have 3 players who can compete with the opposing skill, they will probably just go middling

What are you talking about?

Taeja, Hero, Stephano, Jyp, Puma, Thorzain, demus, Idra, huk.
All of these players can take games off of the best players in the world.
Shit even Suppy is amazing, I mean sure some of these players aren't playing their best recently.
But seriously atleast 6-7 of them can easily take games of off the best. Quit trolling.
KentHenry
Profile Joined August 2010
United States260 Posts
December 09 2012 05:06 GMT
#2198
On December 09 2012 13:59 sva wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2012 13:45 CreatorofRagnarok wrote:
Eg-Tl probably wont do very well, simply because they only have 3 players who can compete with the opposing skill, they will probably just go middling

What are you talking about?

Taeja, Hero, Stephano, Jyp, Puma, Thorzain, demus, Idra, huk.
All of these players can take games off of the best players in the world.
Shit even Suppy is amazing, I mean sure some of these players aren't playing their best recently.
But seriously atleast 6-7 of them can easily take games of off the best. Quit trolling.

But do any of those players have what it takes to win it all?
stille_nacht
Profile Joined March 2011
United States34 Posts
December 09 2012 16:30 GMT
#2199
On December 09 2012 14:06 KentHenry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2012 13:59 sva wrote:
On December 09 2012 13:45 CreatorofRagnarok wrote:
Eg-Tl probably wont do very well, simply because they only have 3 players who can compete with the opposing skill, they will probably just go middling

What are you talking about?

Taeja, Hero, Stephano, Jyp, Puma, Thorzain, demus, Idra, huk.
All of these players can take games off of the best players in the world.
Shit even Suppy is amazing, I mean sure some of these players aren't playing their best recently.
But seriously atleast 6-7 of them can easily take games of off the best. Quit trolling.

But do any of those players have what it takes to win it all?


cough taeja hero stephano cough

Adversity is something we deal with every day, Power is the true test
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
December 09 2012 16:34 GMT
#2200
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