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On December 05 2012 23:24 Decendos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 23:21 Godwrath wrote:oh hai tvp has a lot to do with tvz !!! almost the same :D learn to read. these are overall winrates. in PvZ P is even favored and even grubby and nony tweeted that they are surprised to see that P is favored.TvZ is pretty heave Z favored while TvP is pretty heavy T favored. just tested it myself. some people might not understand or havent actually played with or against the new nerfed infestor. the changes are HUGE!!!!! like omfg. range 8 to range 6 stalker/marauder/immortals or even higher ranged tanks/colossus/ghosts/feedbacks?! fungal is nerfed very hard with this. it is SO MUCH easier to kill infestors now. the range from a stalker/immo/marauder to snipe an infestor went from range 3 to range 2. that is so close to attacking range, especially with blinking or stimming just 2-4 units ahead to snnipe infestors. there will be a lot more dead infestors, believe me. IT changes is huge also but i am fine with that one since throwing 240 ITs from 30 infestors shouldnt be viable, so its a nice change vs mass IT play. most people wont get how hard of a nerf these changes are until they see it on top level play with their own eyes. this will make the infestor a lot weaker (not too weak obv). now i like to see a +2 rangeupgrade or sth. like that for the hydra. gogo blizzard! 
Overall winrates which include tournaments where not one single Korean Zerg was invited don't mean anything.
Consider the most recent tournaments where the best of the 3 races were invited (ipl5, gsl code S).
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Do people like you not watch tournaments? Or even look at results? Damn.
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On December 05 2012 23:30 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 23:24 Decendos wrote:On December 05 2012 23:21 Godwrath wrote:oh hai tvp has a lot to do with tvz !!! almost the same :D learn to read. these are overall winrates. in PvZ P is even favored and even grubby and nony tweeted that they are surprised to see that P is favored.TvZ is pretty heave Z favored while TvP is pretty heavy T favored. just tested it myself. some people might not understand or havent actually played with or against the new nerfed infestor. the changes are HUGE!!!!! like omfg. range 8 to range 6 stalker/marauder/immortals or even higher ranged tanks/colossus/ghosts/feedbacks?! fungal is nerfed very hard with this. it is SO MUCH easier to kill infestors now. the range from a stalker/immo/marauder to snipe an infestor went from range 3 to range 2. that is so close to attacking range, especially with blinking or stimming just 2-4 units ahead to snnipe infestors. there will be a lot more dead infestors, believe me. IT changes is huge also but i am fine with that one since throwing 240 ITs from 30 infestors shouldnt be viable, so its a nice change vs mass IT play. most people wont get how hard of a nerf these changes are until they see it on top level play with their own eyes. this will make the infestor a lot weaker (not too weak obv). now i like to see a +2 rangeupgrade or sth. like that for the hydra. gogo blizzard! Are you that slow ? I know those are overall winrates. That's why i am laughing my ass off when you are talking about overall winrates like an argument for the current zerg nerf when TvZ winrates are highly zerg favored, hence why i try to recall you about "PvT". You are just whining.
you know that these changes also affect PvZ pretty hard where P was already favored? or do you live in your little terran bubble dreamworld?
and i havent even said anything against the changes. i like them and we´ll have to see if its okay that way. i am just saying most people that thought Z is completely OP should be quiet since a 3% difference is nothing and this patch will even remove that little 3% difference.
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What I've never understood is why fungal growth wasn't designed as area control eg. fungalling areas of ground for 30s or more so it slows and damages units that pass across it. Especially if it combined with creep to increase damage and so on.
Still, I like these changes. They're subtle enough that they aren't going to break zerg on the ladder but large enough that it'll shatter the current proTvZ and PvZ consensus.
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Decendos is using the same methods as blizzard, looks pretty balanced to me
/sarcasm off
ofc u have to look mu specific not overall winrate, tvp=! tvz dude
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On December 05 2012 23:33 SiroKO wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 23:24 Decendos wrote:On December 05 2012 23:21 Godwrath wrote:oh hai tvp has a lot to do with tvz !!! almost the same :D learn to read. these are overall winrates. in PvZ P is even favored and even grubby and nony tweeted that they are surprised to see that P is favored.TvZ is pretty heave Z favored while TvP is pretty heavy T favored. just tested it myself. some people might not understand or havent actually played with or against the new nerfed infestor. the changes are HUGE!!!!! like omfg. range 8 to range 6 stalker/marauder/immortals or even higher ranged tanks/colossus/ghosts/feedbacks?! fungal is nerfed very hard with this. it is SO MUCH easier to kill infestors now. the range from a stalker/immo/marauder to snipe an infestor went from range 3 to range 2. that is so close to attacking range, especially with blinking or stimming just 2-4 units ahead to snnipe infestors. there will be a lot more dead infestors, believe me. IT changes is huge also but i am fine with that one since throwing 240 ITs from 30 infestors shouldnt be viable, so its a nice change vs mass IT play. most people wont get how hard of a nerf these changes are until they see it on top level play with their own eyes. this will make the infestor a lot weaker (not too weak obv). now i like to see a +2 rangeupgrade or sth. like that for the hydra. gogo blizzard! Overall winrates which include tournaments where not one single Korean Zerg was invited don't mean anything. Consider the most recent tournaments where the best of the 3 races were invited (ipl5, gsl code S).
WCS was not invitation, it was qualification. The Korean zergs didn't participate (well, two did) because they had been knocked out in the Korean qualifiers. Mainly by protoss. But never mind that, your gut-feeling tells you otherwise!
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On December 05 2012 23:23 mrvidek wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 23:14 Thezzy wrote:Take a minute and look at the specifics, where you can see in that same thread that TvZ is at 43,5% / 56,5%. The TvP ratio balances that back out but as there are no Zergs in a TvP you cannot count that for your numbers. Also take a look at IPL5 (excluding TvP): TvZ: 29-49 PvZ: 31-41 Code S is equally worse (where the game *should* be most balanced) TvZ: 24-39 PvZ: 10-17 Neh...it's just Z having 2 better tournaments. No imbalance here.
With only two exceptions, none of the tournaments in the list in that topic have TvZ over 50% for T.
As well, my point was that he was using TvP stats as a claim that TvZ/TvX is balanced, which makes no sense.
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rofl yeah i am really biased lol. i knew that all the noobs even with that patch and the newest balanced winrates wouldnt shut up and keep QQing :D
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On December 05 2012 23:53 Decendos wrote:
rofl yeah i am really biased lol. i knew that all the noobs even with that patch and the newest balanced winrates wouldnt shut up and keep QQing :D
Are you really as daft as you seem? Look at the actual stats, in case you're not gonna so you can keep crying here they are.
TvZ 34.8%
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yeah lets all take 1 tournament instead of a lot. TvZ ist 58% Z favored, PvZ is 51% P favored, TvP is 56% T favored. so stop crying or start crying about TvP too. i let you decide which one you want xD
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Its a start, but I was really hoping they would make fungal a projectile. I'd enjoy watching Infestor play much more, if that was the case. Obviously, projectile speed would need some tweeking to get it perfect.
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On December 05 2012 23:56 Decendos wrote:
yeah lets all take 1 tournament instead of a lot. TvZ ist 58% Z favored, PvZ is 51% P favored, TvP is 56% T favored. so stop crying or start crying about TvP too. i let you decide which one you want xD
Woudent it be easier to just write "Yes i am actually this stupid xD"
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oh so 58% is imba, 56% is fine after your argumentation. you are beyond stupid and even more biased. i am out of here. no need to waste my time with stupid or actually no arguments
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Great changes
I look forward to what ripple these small changes will cause and the weeks and months go by.
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considering the blue flame icon change really inspired every terran to look into the hellion, maybe we will get some good strategies about getting out ravens in the lategame too, even though this doesn't change that much. It's mostly about timing when you get the ravens
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Since when does a seeker missle become more useful than a pdd in a 1/1/1? Strange lot you guys are
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