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Lings of Liberty: The Rise of the Patchzergs - Page 4

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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
December 03 2012 19:28 GMT
#61
On December 04 2012 04:25 kochanfe wrote:
hmmm... Ver seems kinda mad about something. i can't tell what though.


He's mad about how few people actually get it.
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Steelo_Rivers
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1968 Posts
December 03 2012 19:28 GMT
#62
On December 04 2012 04:06 jexxto wrote:
Show nested quote +
So what is the point of all of this? Yeah, Blizzard purposefully rigged the game to ensure the maximum number of white victories over Koreans. What do they gain from it?


Do you wear a tinfoil hat by any chance?

Have we forgotten the long period of Terran Dominance, particularly in Code S? There was a time Zerg was the most under represented race at ALL tournaments.

The game is in it's teething stages and the balance will unfortauntly swing between the three races most likely until the last expansion is released.

People fail to realize that the Terran dominance in the GSL wasnt a result of imbalance, it was a result of:

"my mechanics are better than your mechanics so im going to out multitask you, out macro you, and out micro you to win"

Korean terrans players are by far the smartest sc2 players (even the b-teamers). None of that matters now though because you can't really do anything unless you do a psuedo all in before infestors and hope you didnt get scouted and swarmed by lings and roaches (and queens). If you move out after infestors are out, you better be using mech because you won't be able to micro anyway.
ok
Kakaru2
Profile Joined March 2011
198 Posts
December 03 2012 19:28 GMT
#63
Interesting theory. Mine is that they're doing this imbalance stuff on purpose to magically fix it in HOTS in order to get more sales. But curent HOTS isn't different so I was wondering whi is that.
Yours explains why.
The truth is that, for me at least, a match where a foreigner can beat a Korean is much more interesting to watch. And I think many people think the same. I stopped watching GSl, except semi or finals, while I enjoy watching the foreign tournaments.
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4558 Posts
December 03 2012 19:28 GMT
#64
Amazing read, thanks ver
Mr. Nefarious
Profile Joined December 2010
United States515 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 19:31:45
December 03 2012 19:29 GMT
#65
I actually read the entire thing and I can't decide if this is a troll or you're actually implying that Blizzard is secretly racist and buffed fungal growth because it is a "white people spell". You are definitely the Westboro Baptist Church of Starcraft balance conspiracy theories and an embarrassment to this community. It is quite an epic troll if so though.
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Monsen
Profile Joined December 2002
Germany2548 Posts
December 03 2012 19:29 GMT
#66
On December 04 2012 04:28 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 04:25 kochanfe wrote:
hmmm... Ver seems kinda mad about something. i can't tell what though.


He's mad about how few people actually get it.


Sundance does.
11 years and counting- TL #680
SwizzY
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1549 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 19:33:04
December 03 2012 19:29 GMT
#67
EDIT* - Ok whatever.
All that glitters is not gold, all that wander are not lost, the old that is strong does not wither, deep roots are not reached by frost.
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
December 03 2012 19:29 GMT
#68
Terran vs Korea sure looks good!
Linwelin
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland7554 Posts
December 03 2012 19:31 GMT
#69
Alot of romanians in the thread
Fuck Razor and Death Prophet
akademikx
Profile Joined November 2012
37 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 19:35:21
December 03 2012 19:31 GMT
#70
On December 04 2012 04:21 Miotonir wrote:
Ohhhh YESSS guyy!!! When Terran was OP everybody was happy, the game was fair... when ghost could kill 3 broodlords with single snipee yeaaah!!! i remember that. Yeaaa let's go back to the old ways... let protoss be the weakest race and let zerg kinda ok... and let Terran reign supreme for another 2 years , with every possible op unit imaginable.
Those pesky foreigners ... ah op Naniwa op Stephano op immortals , zerg op ... Koreans so bad that they cant use the same op mechanics... so bad, foreigners op.


gtfo pls. Look at the statistics and watch the games. There is clear discrepancy between terran and zerg in skill required and overall strength. Not saying that terran didn't use to be good, but right now it's so obvious that zerg has a massive advantage in zvt.
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 19:32:03
December 03 2012 19:31 GMT
#71
It goes both ways. So if we're going to complain that Zerg is too easy to win with when foreigner Zergs win against Koreans who are faster, have better multitasking etc, why was everyone singing praises to Naniwa when he beat Nestea and Mvp? When Thorzain won TSL? When Thorzain went 2-3 against DRG at Valencia?

When people like Sjow and Incontrol were taking games off Korean Zergs?
T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
December 03 2012 19:31 GMT
#72
Best article I ever read.
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 19:33:28
December 03 2012 19:32 GMT
#73
On December 04 2012 04:22 monk. wrote:
I already told Ver that probably only a very small fraction of people reading it will actually get it.

Which is sad, because I thought it was so obvious. The real comedic gold though are the comments in this thread.
liftlift > tsm
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
December 03 2012 19:33 GMT
#74
On December 04 2012 04:32 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 04:22 monk. wrote:
I already told Ver that probably only a very small fraction of people reading it will actually get it.

Which is sad, because I thought it was so obvious. The real comedic gold though are the comments in this thread.

amusing regardless
Twitter: @zhurai | Site: http://zhurai.com
rtem
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland54 Posts
December 03 2012 19:34 GMT
#75
as I zerg Im kinda hoping blizzard would just axe fungal and maybe IT too and give something thats actually interesting in return
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8255 Posts
December 03 2012 19:34 GMT
#76
Best. Article. Ever.
Butterednuts
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States859 Posts
December 03 2012 19:34 GMT
#77
Just read the entire OP. There is so much spite in this post it's difficult to get by it without sounding like a snob. While I don't doubt your understanding of the game (it's probably far better than mine), it's still unsettling when it feels like I'm being belittled. You come off very strong and unsettling.

An excellent write up, but I would work on trying to convey a message without coming off as a revolutionist bigot.
Chameleons Cast No Shadows
iDoMiNaTe2.0
Profile Joined September 2010
288 Posts
December 03 2012 19:34 GMT
#78
Best whine thread ever
ObliviousNA
Profile Joined March 2011
United States535 Posts
December 03 2012 19:34 GMT
#79
Well written and well played.
Theory is when you know everything but nothing works. Practice is when everything works but no one knows why. In our lab, theory and practice are combined: nothing works and no one knows why.
jubil
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2602 Posts
December 03 2012 19:35 GMT
#80
The analysis of winrates and matchup history is serious (though written in a purposefully hyperbolic way)

The conjecture as to the reason for this (blizzard wants foreigners to win) is not (and is written in a comedic style, ie heavy sarcasm, star wars references, and psuedo-racist arguements)

/endspoilers
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