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On December 02 2012 02:41 Ollie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 02:33 GTPGlitch wrote:On December 02 2012 02:22 jj33 wrote:On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm. i agree, the hypocrisy is just ridiculous. Yeah, because, as we all know, Sniper has worked really hard just as long as Ryung has and was a good, well-known player before zerg got buffed... First off, Sniper has been working hard for a very long time. Second, most of the Zergs that are winning nowadays started to get popular AFTER the buff. Life, Symbol, Hyun, Sniper, and Violet pretty much all came after the buff. While Leenock is still relevant and is still very good, you hardly see DongRaeGu, NesTea, July, LosirA, Zenio, or most of the other pre-buff Zergs winning much anymore. This doesn't have anything to do with the buff, though. This has to do with the way the game works. Starcraft in a competitive sense is extremely volatile. Not only could you do the same with Terrans and protoss, but Brood War was the exact same way.
Good post, I never thought of how the older big time zergs were doing in light of the patch. Puts things in perspective regarding the skill of the new up and comers.
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On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.
I guess people feel like Ryung was right.
At least I do.
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On December 02 2012 01:36 Emzeeshady wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 01:34 Shellshock1122 wrote:On December 02 2012 00:08 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On December 02 2012 00:04 Severian wrote:
I guess I'm just a bit confused as to why everyone suddenly decided that the Ryung vs Sniper series was the defining moment of imbalance. Even before the "IMBA IMBA IMBA" the LR thread was full of people whining about what an injustice Sniper's victory was. Ryung is very good but let's not kid ourselves, not many people predicted him to reach the finals, he has only reached the Ro8 once (over a year ago. And once in the super tournament) and he was knocked out of IPL5 by Scarlett and HuK. Plus both him and Sniper just flew to the US and played for two days in IPL5, so neither of them are at their peak. AND HE LOST 2-3! There's plenty of stuff to latch on to if you want to complain about balance, but I don't at all blame Sniper for being upset when both Ryung and the community single him out and claim that he is undeserving. You REALLY think sniper is a better player than Ryung? Really? Yes, I do me too
Yup, I agree. And I think he will beat Hyun in the finals.
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Are people in this thread seriously claiming that Zerg isn't overpowered..wow
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On December 02 2012 02:56 aviator116 wrote:
Are people in this thread seriously claiming that Zerg isn't overpowered..wow
I'm not. I KNOW Zerg is overpowered. But Sniper didn't win because the game is imbalanced, he won because he played better.
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On December 02 2012 02:56 aviator116 wrote:
Are people in this thread seriously claiming that Zerg isn't overpowered..wow
You might want to actually read what people say before making silly comments.
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"Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins so I just don't understand why they behave that way. I don't even understand why sometimes the winning players start whining."
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I agree with Hyun that ZvZ is all about mutas now. Early map control is so much superior to the straight to infestor style I feel like.
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On December 02 2012 02:54 Koesader wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm. I guess people feel like Ryung was right. At least I do.
Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay?
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On December 02 2012 02:59 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 02:56 aviator116 wrote:
Are people in this thread seriously claiming that Zerg isn't overpowered..wow You might want to actually read what people say before making silly comments.
He's actually pretty correct. There have been a lot of people in this thread saying that zerg is fine. LOL.
On December 02 2012 03:02 mango_destroyer wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 02:54 Koesader wrote:On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm. I guess people feel like Ryung was right. At least I do. Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay?
Well...I have told somebody "You aren't exactly the type of person I would try to pick up at a bar..."
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On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.
Really?
The difference is Ryung never insulted Zerg players personally.
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On December 02 2012 03:02 mango_destroyer wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 02:54 Koesader wrote:On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm. I guess people feel like Ryung was right. At least I do. Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay?
If you can't differentiate the race from the player, there is a problem. Ryung was at least venting his frustration on the state of the game and Zerg in general. Sniper on the other hand insults Terran PLAYERS by calling them no-skill whiners, there is a big difference between the two statements.
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On December 02 2012 03:02 Orracle wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm. Really? The difference is Ryung never insulted Zerg players personally.
No, but he indirectly insulted Sniper and downplayed his win right as he grabbed the victory in a hard fought series.
Ryung should be ashamed of himself.
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On December 02 2012 03:06 Arco wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 03:02 Orracle wrote:On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm. Really? The difference is Ryung never insulted Zerg players personally. No, but he indirectly insulted Sniper and downplayed his win right as he grabbed the victory in a hard fought series. Ryung should be ashamed of himself.
Indirect insult =/= direct insult to a section of the player base
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On December 02 2012 03:05 [17]Purple wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 03:02 mango_destroyer wrote:On December 02 2012 02:54 Koesader wrote:On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm. I guess people feel like Ryung was right. At least I do. Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay? If you can't differentiate the race from the player, there is a problem. Ryung was at least venting his frustration on the state of the game and Zerg in general. Sniper on the other hand insults Terran PLAYERS by calling them no-skill whiners, there is a big difference between the two statements.
Sniper was insulting Terran players that discredit his victories. You know, the players that call him a no-skill patchzerg?
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On December 02 2012 03:02 mango_destroyer wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 02:54 Koesader wrote:On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm. I guess people feel like Ryung was right. At least I do. Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay?
People have complained in interviews for six months. Guess what happened? Jack shit. Ryung is losing money because of Blizzard not being willing to do anything. I'm glad he spoke his mind and hope it leads to Blizzard waking up and trying to fix the game instead of saying "its fine."
The fat and ugly analogy makes no sense. It wouldn't hurt me, so I wouldn't say shit. Ryung is being cost MONEY because of the game being broken. This is obvisouly hurting him.
There's a reason everyone is ok with it. He's right, we want change, and maybe this will actually get Blizzard to work out a change. Nothing else has yet.
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On December 02 2012 03:08 [17]Purple wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 03:06 Arco wrote:On December 02 2012 03:02 Orracle wrote:On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm. Really? The difference is Ryung never insulted Zerg players personally. No, but he indirectly insulted Sniper and downplayed his win right as he grabbed the victory in a hard fought series. Ryung should be ashamed of himself. Indirect insult =/= direct insult to a section of the player base
He discredits every single zerg win that is done now with that statement.
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On December 02 2012 03:12 Nick_54 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 03:02 mango_destroyer wrote:On December 02 2012 02:54 Koesader wrote:On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm. I guess people feel like Ryung was right. At least I do. Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay? People have complained in interviews for six months. Guess what happened? Jack shit. Ryung is losing money because of Blizzard not being willing to do anything. I'm glad he spoke his mind and hope it leads to Blizzard waking up and trying to fix the game instead of saying "its fine." The fat and ugly analogy makes no sense. It wouldn't hurt me, so I wouldn't say shit. Ryung is being cost MONEY because of the game being broken. This is obvisouly hurting him. There's a reason everyone is ok with it. He's right, we want change, and maybe this will actually get Blizzard to work out a change. Nothing else has yet.
Did you even watch those games? Ryung cost himself money. He made SEVERAL mistakes. I would have understood it if it was a classic, textbook Infestor/Broodlord vs. Terran game where the Terran played amazingly but the Zerg made Infestors so he won, but that's not what happened. Ryung played badly in those games, and then whined about it.
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On December 02 2012 03:17 Ollie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 03:12 Nick_54 wrote:On December 02 2012 03:02 mango_destroyer wrote:On December 02 2012 02:54 Koesader wrote:On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm. I guess people feel like Ryung was right. At least I do. Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay? People have complained in interviews for six months. Guess what happened? Jack shit. Ryung is losing money because of Blizzard not being willing to do anything. I'm glad he spoke his mind and hope it leads to Blizzard waking up and trying to fix the game instead of saying "its fine." The fat and ugly analogy makes no sense. It wouldn't hurt me, so I wouldn't say shit. Ryung is being cost MONEY because of the game being broken. This is obvisouly hurting him. There's a reason everyone is ok with it. He's right, we want change, and maybe this will actually get Blizzard to work out a change. Nothing else has yet. Did you even watch those games? Ryung cost himself money. He made SEVERAL mistakes. I would have understood it if it was a classic, textbook Infestor/Broodlord vs. Terran game where the Terran played amazingly but the Zerg made Infestors so he won, but that's not what happened. Ryung played badly in those games, and then whined about it.
Yeah, I did watch the games. You want to explain all the mistakes he made to me?
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HyuN, it's open season mate.
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On December 02 2012 03:13 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 03:08 [17]Purple wrote:On December 02 2012 03:06 Arco wrote:On December 02 2012 03:02 Orracle wrote:On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm. Really? The difference is Ryung never insulted Zerg players personally. No, but he indirectly insulted Sniper and downplayed his win right as he grabbed the victory in a hard fought series. Ryung should be ashamed of himself. Indirect insult =/= direct insult to a section of the player base He discredits every single zerg win that is done now with that statement.
No he doesn't. Everyone said Terran was imba and but it did not discredit every single Terran win
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