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I just read Jessica's interview to respond to MMA's interview. As she tries to answer each charge her story shifts ever so slightly and she starts to admit to some responsibility.
First thing I want to reveal is that I made a mistake with manager J. It was my mistake in judgment to bring him onto the team. The main reason for discord in managing the team was because I brought manager J into the team. I want to apologize to the fans first and I want to apologize for disbanding the team.
Takes responsibility for Managers J's presence in the team.
Yes it was. The only place where professional player contracts exist is KeSPA. But I could not obtain any information on contract formats or contexts.
I do not know how contracts worked. I just winged it rather than finding out.
sponsorship is something that players should not worry about. This is the management side.... What I later found out was that company N and company S offered sponsorships for MMA but they went to BoxeR instead. Sponsorship matters were dealt with by manager J, so I directly contacted related parties in those companies to confirm... Do other StarCraft 2 teams' players have the same questions and do managers answer them? I really do not understand this issue.
I do not know how sponsorship works. MMA was offered one but I did not know about it. This was Managers J's doing. Which she has agreed was her responsibility.
Q: In your previous interview, you said you did not receive any money from the players. But MMA revealed his bank account history to show that there were deposits [to your account].
A: When I said I did not receive any money, I meant as in result.
Nice backpedalling. What I meant was they were late paying me and meeting a contractual obligation. So you did receive money. Right.
According to MMA's claim, when I asked to deposit the portion of the money, shouldn't he raise an objection?
So his silence in not speaking up means he was happy with the situation. Ok.
Q: Was there any difference in treatment between contracted and non-contracted players?
A: Of course not. There was no need to have contracts with players with no result.
So... that would be players like Crank? Who weren't under contract but should still be crucified for leaving.
A: He wanted to leave for few times. There were some offers of sponsorship and establishment from oversea. I could not inform this to the players until they were finalized. How could I face them if the deals fall apart after telling them about these?
Ah so MMA did say he wanted to leave. Because in the last interview it seemed like you suggested he never told you after your "this is a one-time offer".
I didn't reveal everything and showed only this much because I was afraid that remaining fans will leave the scene when more is revealed. If you have no evidence to back your claims, accept your mistakes and apologize. Then I will forget everything and forgive you.
The more you reveal Jessica the worse you make yourself look. She must be delusional.
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I just don't understand how she thought she could manage a team...
....from the kitchen.
She ruined one of my favorite teams. =[
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I like how she talks about how she never lies and only tells the truth seconds before they discuss how they came up with a neck injury excuse for Crank
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On October 23 2012 22:53 floor exercise wrote:
I like how she talks about how she never lies and only tells the truth seconds before they discuss how they came up with a neck injury excuse for Crank
She's actually just mad. She really believes that she is honest and comes across as truthful. When I read her interviews, even as an atheist, I stare towards the ceiling and start silently thanking God that I am single.
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someone needs make a poll on what they think of the situation.
I am just sad that this happened to mostly good people that have made some wrong decisions.
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On October 23 2012 22:31 KaienFEMC wrote:
People mentioned way earlier that Korean netizens are furious at Crank on this script.
Not just Koreans, any Asians will not let Crank go easily at this thing.
It is a culture difference, and what I don't really get is why are Westerners judging Korean behaviour using Western standard? Another good example of cultural difference again comes up in Jessica's interview in response to Crank.
Warning: gross oversimplification:
So it is right to be silent on female circumcision because it is "african culture"? Or slavery because it is a "confed thingy"?
Culture can only be an explanation but never an excuse for actions.
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MMA gets seemingly slammed by Boxer in that call to Crank! (As an aside should we be calling it the Crank Call? Sounds the opposite of a joke though!) Boxer refers to MMA as 'that Thug MMA and his band of Thugs'!!! That's REALLY strong wording. I am assuming the translation was correct and precise in this sentence. Boxer's relationship with MMA must have completely disintegrated by this point, considering they were reportedly very close last year. Wasn't he referred to as the Son of Boxer or Heir to Boxer or something similar? MMA had gone from Boxer's Champion and Presumptive Heir to being 'that Thug MMA'! Cripes!
I am not familiar with Korean and maybe I am overreacting to the translated phrasing. Is the Korean original phrase used less damning then the translated sentence?
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On October 23 2012 22:08 Subversive wrote:Also, this situation reminds me of so many dodgy managers I've seen. When something goes wrong, they immediately pick one decent person and ask why that person didn't speak up. Like it's so easy for Crank to just go and badmouth all his team-mates like MMA and Ryung, as if that's his duty. This was always the management's responsibility. If they are so blind as to what is happening in their own team and the discontent of players then they are incompetent. Telling Crank he should have stepped up and dobbed a bunch of people in - when he probably wasn't even sure they were in the wrong - is absurd and offensive.
This.
Also, there are a few good quotes in that phone call:
Choi: I am just sad about the way Jessica thinks. I don't even think I can join a good foreign team. She thinks I made the group leave the team.
Boxer: You know her style. If you fight back she is going to have a fight to the death. You don't seem to stay quiet.
This is just golden.
Boxer: I feel sorry for you but what do you want to hear from me? Have a good talk and leave, find your own team. When you leave talk to MMA, Alicia and talk to them to solve this. Everything is related.
Choi: What is related. Let me ask you for the last time, what is related?
Boxer: To be specific you just stood by and watched when MMA had a different mind, you started hanging out with MMA, Ryung, and later say that all of you wanted to leave the team. Owner of the team only had those choices to decide. Had to find the decision quickly to save the team.
I wonder who "owner of the team" is, is he refering to himself or to Jessica or somebody else? Also, this is where Cranck is blamed for "standing by and watching" ie not saying anything, and also "guilty by association".
Choi: Can I ask you something? I talked a lot to Cella about fixing up the team or else it would go downhill, did Cella not tell you anything? If you are saying that everything was fine doesn't that mean he didn't tell you my story? I talked with Cella a lot from travelling to stadiums. Wasn't that my duty?
Boxer: You can ask Cella and I will ask Cella as well. Let's ask him why he didn't tell me.
Here Boxer seems to confirm Cella did not voice the player's discontent on the team situation up to himself.
Also, Jessica baiting Cranck out without him knowing he was being recorded. He does not seem to bite though:
Kim: You wrote it (on Twitter) on there. You didn't say you did what you did because you wanted to rest.
Choi: Jessica, do you want to look at the conversation again. You told me to do as I want. A 24 year old can't be staying home receiving allowances to live. I wouldn't even make much if I went to a foreign team.
Kim: Didn't you have that problem with me?
She was already planning the drama ahead of time:
Kim: I plan on saying what has happened up to now.
Choi: Then I will be seen as a sorry and bad person when it's published.
Kim: I will tell the truth.
Choi: You are only going to say your story.
Kim: I never lie I only say the truth.
And finally, what seems to be a confirmation of Cranck lying to Jessica:
Kim: You told me you didn't even think about joining a foreign team. Let's talk within the conversation.
Choi: I did back then.
Kim: That's why I allowed you to go home. Back then what you said about leaving the team.
where it seems as if Cranck said to her he did not think of leaving for a foreign team, even though apparently the first days after starting streaming from home, he did say he was looking for a foreign team. However this critically depends on the translation ("I did back then" it's not very clear in its meaning) so I would not be 100% confident on if that is what they meant.
/popcorn
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On October 23 2012 23:00 Escape wrote:
someone needs make a poll on what they think of the situation.
I am just sad that this happened to mostly good people that have made some wrong decisions.
I made a poll. Locked in 5 minutes.
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Poll: What do you think is likely at fault for SlayerS's demise?Jessica. She mishandled this very badly (99) 53% It's a combination of miscommunication and deterioration of practising atmosphere (46) 25% Manager J (14) 7% MMA and his band of "thugs" who felt the team is falling apart and are looking for foreign teams (12) 6% Boxer. He should had done more to keep the team together. (8) 4% Crank. (8) 4% 187 total votes Your vote: What do you think is likely at fault for SlayerS's demise? (Vote): Jessica. She mishandled this very badly
(Vote): Boxer. He should had done more to keep the team together.
(Vote): Crank.
(Vote): MMA and his band of "thugs" who felt the team is falling apart and are looking for foreign teams
(Vote): Manager J
(Vote): It's a combination of miscommunication and deterioration of practising atmosphere
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On October 23 2012 23:02 Hryul wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 22:31 KaienFEMC wrote:
People mentioned way earlier that Korean netizens are furious at Crank on this script.
Not just Koreans, any Asians will not let Crank go easily at this thing.
It is a culture difference, and what I don't really get is why are Westerners judging Korean behaviour using Western standard? Another good example of cultural difference again comes up in Jessica's interview in response to Crank. Warning: gross oversimplification: So it is right to be silent on female circumcision because it is "african culture"? Or slavery because it is a "Dixie thingy"? Culture can only be an explanation but never an excuse for actions.
Very catchy last line. However, he was talking about judging social behaviors. About what is acceptable and unacceptable in etiquette which is unique to every culture.
Your examples are extreme. I hardly think slavery and female circumcision are analogous to how different cultures judge what is and isn't polite behavior. And please don't say for the dixies thought it was polite owning slaves. 
I know you use the disclaimer gross oversimplification but it isn't even that at all. Its just a completely irrelevant comparison.
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On October 23 2012 23:08 wasabay wrote:Poll: What do you think is likely at fault for SlayerS's demise?Jessica. She mishandled this very badly (99) 53% It's a combination of miscommunication and deterioration of practising atmosphere (46) 25% Manager J (14) 7% MMA and his band of "thugs" who felt the team is falling apart and are looking for foreign teams (12) 6% Boxer. He should had done more to keep the team together. (8) 4% Crank. (8) 4% 187 total votes Your vote: What do you think is likely at fault for SlayerS's demise? (Vote): Jessica. She mishandled this very badly
(Vote): Boxer. He should had done more to keep the team together.
(Vote): Crank.
(Vote): MMA and his band of "thugs" who felt the team is falling apart and are looking for foreign teams
(Vote): Manager J
(Vote): It's a combination of miscommunication and deterioration of practising atmosphere
I don't think many of us think that Jessica was solely responsible. For me, it's more her behaviour after the ship has gone down. In fact I don't know if it was her responsible at all. Miscommunication and bad feelings aside, let's be honest here: they had no sponsors, that's why they folded.
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On October 23 2012 23:08 wasabay wrote:Poll: What do you think is likely at fault for SlayerS's demise?Jessica. She mishandled this very badly (99) 53% It's a combination of miscommunication and deterioration of practising atmosphere (46) 25% Manager J (14) 7% MMA and his band of "thugs" who felt the team is falling apart and are looking for foreign teams (12) 6% Boxer. He should had done more to keep the team together. (8) 4% Crank. (8) 4% 187 total votes Your vote: What do you think is likely at fault for SlayerS's demise? (Vote): Jessica. She mishandled this very badly
(Vote): Boxer. He should had done more to keep the team together.
(Vote): Crank.
(Vote): MMA and his band of "thugs" who felt the team is falling apart and are looking for foreign teams
(Vote): Manager J
(Vote): It's a combination of miscommunication and deterioration of practising atmosphere
Wheres the last option of a combination of all of the above and more?
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On October 23 2012 23:08 wasabay wrote:Poll: What do you think is likely at fault for SlayerS's demise?Jessica. She mishandled this very badly (99) 53% It's a combination of miscommunication and deterioration of practising atmosphere (46) 25% Manager J (14) 7% MMA and his band of "thugs" who felt the team is falling apart and are looking for foreign teams (12) 6% Boxer. He should had done more to keep the team together. (8) 4% Crank. (8) 4% 187 total votes Your vote: What do you think is likely at fault for SlayerS's demise? (Vote): Jessica. She mishandled this very badly
(Vote): Boxer. He should had done more to keep the team together.
(Vote): Crank.
(Vote): MMA and his band of "thugs" who felt the team is falling apart and are looking for foreign teams
(Vote): Manager J
(Vote): It's a combination of miscommunication and deterioration of practising atmosphere
I don't see how one person is to blame here. Seems like a combination of people being dumb/immature/headstrong.
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Oh Jessica =( Please just stop this. You've done enough. Just let it go.
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On October 23 2012 23:13 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
Oh Jessica =( Please just stop this. You've done enough. Just let it go.
Q: Is there anything else you wish to say?
A: I am really tired now. The essence is that this is who I am. Even if one is a sworn enemy, I do not abandon him or her if one accepts his or her mistake. I would even forgive him or her. But not like this interview.
She's not going anywhere.
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I was thinking of blaming pretty much everyone for SlayerS demise... It just seems like we wont ever know what went on with certainty because everyone has their own version of the story. At this point, I believe everyone to a degree, with regards to certain portions. But overall, I will not view any one person as telling the entire story or being able to recall what had happened perfectly.
Sad to see this drama and the breaking of a team. I hate drama, that is for sure.
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In the phone conversation translation, Boxer says Crank wasn't a contracted player. what the heck is all the fuss is about?????
I understand talking to your elders, but young people's mind changes. Crank seemed like he had no where to go after wanting to leave Slayers. Crank was given an opportunity by TotalBiscut's wife's team, why not take it. I am pretty sure anyone who had nothing was given a opportunity for something they would take it. I can't even barely call Crank's "lie" a lie.
Jessica is not leaving this rest and keeps on bringing back on the drama, it's like she won't stop till she gets what she wants. All the shit is on Crank. The atmosphere dampened when he leaves? What about Dragon, Ganzi, or Taeja??? Also it pisses me off that she blames the team failing on the players, (besides eSF I can understand that, but that's still blaming something else.) She doesn't even take one bit doing zero wrong. She was the TEAM MANAGER. If the team fails, there was something wrong with the team management. If she did a good job doing team management, the team wouldn't have fallen.
And releasing a private conversation is pretty damn low.
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From the phone convo I say that CranK is one heck of a crybaby. He seems so weak mentally and emotionally. In the end. it was fault of both parties. Crank for his dodging and not being direct and Jessica's for her authoritativeness.
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On October 23 2012 22:23 Gorlin wrote:
It's remarkable that the only mistake Jessica has admitted to was trusting people. Fucking unbelievable. She ignored most of MMA's points by just restating how much she did for the team. The biggest thing from this interview is the bit about Coach Ryu, which MMA definitely needs to address.
Yeah, there are two things I am left wondering about:
1. MMA's character, which is cast very poorly - not because we're given the impression that he is a leading factor in unrest and rebellion, but because of the Coach Ryu nonpayment thing.
You can easily imagine a carefree immature guy who's unhappy with the management stirring things up rather than trying to responsibly fix them.
But not stepping up to pay your coach is a real asshole thing to do. However, perhaps things were actually okay or not so bad between him and coach ryu, and we are just being given the impression that they were bad. If coach ryu got a cool job offer and wanted to move on then maybe he didnt mind so much being given a graphics card upon his leaving, for instance.
Either way, I'm not sure if MMA addressed this but if I were considering hiring him for my team then I'd want to know more.
2. Coach J's situation. In all likelihood he did hear some situation where someone was talking about the advantages and disadvantages of sponsoring Boxer directly rather than MMA directly.
Whether the sponsor persons Jessica called admit to or have any contact with Coach J doesn't point to anything sinister. It makes sense from a business standpoint to discuss this matter and it makes sense for people to feel that sponsoring Boxer directly IE the entire team is a better decision than sponsoring MMA directly. The sponsorship in question needn't even exist; if the matter were ever to be discussed hypothetically between two people then the outcome would be the same.
Of course, if MMA were to hear about this then he would feel hurt. From Jessica/Boxer's POV it was a dumb thing to talk about with MMA regardless.
Now Jessica mentions that it may be something sinister - that Coach J told this to MMA on purpose.
However, upon dismissing Coach J, Jessica would have wanted to get to the very bottom of this and have Coach J explain to the players exactly how he heard this, have it all out in the open, and have them move on.
But this did not appear to happen. Jessica is still claiming that it might be a setup from Coach J, which means that they did not get to the bottom of it and have him explain why he thought it was going on. The mistrust between MMA and Management remained rather than being cleaned up.
There are a few reasons this might have happened: 1) Boxer & Jessica were so pissed off with Coach J that they shouted him out and never to return, leaving the mystery unsolved. 2) Coach J refused to or was unable to come clean about what he heard when questioned. 3) Jessica did not want Coach J to go into any more detail in explaining what he heard because she was guilty of it (not a bad thing - its just business).
Both 1) and 3) are likely here. 2) is unlikely because if it was true then Jessica would have been able to bombard Coach J with blame rather than do it in such a speculative, confused way.
Personally I get the impression that MMA & Jessica are a bit too reckless for my taste and Coach J and Crank all sadly drew the short straw
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