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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
October 21 2012 23:35 GMT
#3841
On October 22 2012 08:35 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 08:34 Canucklehead wrote:
On October 22 2012 08:28 Medrea wrote:
On October 22 2012 08:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On October 22 2012 07:42 Fearest wrote:
All this time we're waiting for Crank's statement, and yet he provided ZERO proof. I would love to see Jessica's recording so we can see how much of a liar he is. I think Crank just want things done his way on the team house and when it doesn't, he try to take people to leave with him. I see this exact motion in many teams.


The burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused.


There is like a one hour thing Jessica is gonna post or something.

For being one hour long it better be a raunchy sex tape.


I want her to release the tape, then for someone to translate the full hour.


Someone should stream it and live translate.


supernovamaniac is going to be flooded with PMs now.
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Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
October 21 2012 23:38 GMT
#3842
On October 22 2012 08:35 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 08:35 Medrea wrote:
On October 22 2012 08:34 Canucklehead wrote:
On October 22 2012 08:28 Medrea wrote:
On October 22 2012 08:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On October 22 2012 07:42 Fearest wrote:
All this time we're waiting for Crank's statement, and yet he provided ZERO proof. I would love to see Jessica's recording so we can see how much of a liar he is. I think Crank just want things done his way on the team house and when it doesn't, he try to take people to leave with him. I see this exact motion in many teams.


The burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused.


There is like a one hour thing Jessica is gonna post or something.

For being one hour long it better be a raunchy sex tape.


I want her to release the tape, then for someone to translate the full hour.


Someone should stream it and live translate.


supernovamaniac is going to be flooded with PMs now.


OK so its settled. Supernovamaniac if its drama.

Smix if its sex tape.
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boxturtle
Profile Joined December 2011
United States224 Posts
October 21 2012 23:39 GMT
#3843
Wow, this is getting out of hand. What exactly is crank being accused of? Lying to Jessica about not wanting to be on the team anymore? If he did not even have a contract, there's no point in even accusing crank of anything. People that hardly had anything to do with Slayers disbanding are being accused of stuff at this point.

I'm pretty sure he was considering quitting up until the moment TB and the reddit brigade shipped him off to MLG. He dropped out of MvP because his neck injury, the one that was making him consider quitting. It's just fucking saddening that a player gets is motivation back and the next thing that hits him is a full out scandal.

If crank was indeed toxic to the team, it's all the better that he left the house. Why are is he a target of this witch hunt?
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
October 21 2012 23:44 GMT
#3844
On October 22 2012 08:38 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 08:35 Xiphos wrote:
On October 22 2012 08:35 Medrea wrote:
On October 22 2012 08:34 Canucklehead wrote:
On October 22 2012 08:28 Medrea wrote:
On October 22 2012 08:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On October 22 2012 07:42 Fearest wrote:
All this time we're waiting for Crank's statement, and yet he provided ZERO proof. I would love to see Jessica's recording so we can see how much of a liar he is. I think Crank just want things done his way on the team house and when it doesn't, he try to take people to leave with him. I see this exact motion in many teams.


The burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused.


There is like a one hour thing Jessica is gonna post or something.

For being one hour long it better be a raunchy sex tape.


I want her to release the tape, then for someone to translate the full hour.


Someone should stream it and live translate.


supernovamaniac is going to be flooded with PMs now.


OK so its settled. Supernovamaniac if its drama.

Smix if its sex tape.


[image loading]

aww yeah.
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Oiseaux
Profile Joined May 2011
United States676 Posts
October 21 2012 23:45 GMT
#3845
On October 22 2012 08:39 boxturtle wrote:
Wow, this is getting out of hand. What exactly is crank being accused of? Lying to Jessica about not wanting to be on the team anymore? If he did not even have a contract, there's no point in even accusing crank of anything. People that hardly had anything to do with Slayers disbanding are being accused of stuff at this point.

I'm pretty sure he was considering quitting up until the moment TB and the reddit brigade shipped him off to MLG. He dropped out of MvP because his neck injury, the one that was making him consider quitting. It's just fucking saddening that a player gets is motivation back and the next thing that hits him is a full out scandal.

If crank was indeed toxic to the team, it's all the better that he left the house. Why are is he a target of this witch hunt?


I guess Jessica feels that if she's going down, she's taking everyone with her. It's pretty childish and awful, but that's really the only reason I can see why this keeps on going.
"[S]o be ready to kiss a few donkeys with glued-on paper horns during your unicorn hunt." -Some stupid 4x4 magazine
sekritzzz
Profile Joined December 2010
1515 Posts
October 21 2012 23:45 GMT
#3846
On October 22 2012 08:39 boxturtle wrote:
Wow, this is getting out of hand. What exactly is crank being accused of? Lying to Jessica about not wanting to be on the team anymore? If he did not even have a contract, there's no point in even accusing crank of anything. People that hardly had anything to do with Slayers disbanding are being accused of stuff at this point.

I'm pretty sure he was considering quitting up until the moment TB and the reddit brigade shipped him off to MLG. He dropped out of MvP because his neck injury, the one that was making him consider quitting. It's just fucking saddening that a player gets is motivation back and the next thing that hits him is a full out scandal.

If crank was indeed toxic to the team, it's all the better that he left the house. Why are is he a target of this witch hunt?

Maybe because the thread is called "slayers disbanding" and crank's childish acts were one of the causes of them disbanding?
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
October 21 2012 23:47 GMT
#3847
On October 22 2012 08:39 boxturtle wrote:
Wow, this is getting out of hand. What exactly is crank being accused of? Lying to Jessica about not wanting to be on the team anymore? If he did not even have a contract, there's no point in even accusing crank of anything. People that hardly had anything to do with Slayers disbanding are being accused of stuff at this point.

I'm pretty sure he was considering quitting up until the moment TB and the reddit brigade shipped him off to MLG. He dropped out of MvP because his neck injury, the one that was making him consider quitting. It's just fucking saddening that a player gets is motivation back and the next thing that hits him is a full out scandal.

If crank was indeed toxic to the team, it's all the better that he left the house. Why are is he a target of this witch hunt?

He was streaming the day he said he was gonne quit and was searching for a team since then.
Pretty sure that is quite before TB and the reddit brigade.
Zocat
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2229 Posts
October 21 2012 23:50 GMT
#3848
On October 22 2012 08:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 07:42 Fearest wrote:
All this time we're waiting for Crank's statement, and yet he provided ZERO proof. I would love to see Jessica's recording so we can see how much of a liar he is. I think Crank just want things done his way on the team house and when it doesn't, he try to take people to leave with him. I see this exact motion in many teams.


The burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused.


Where's the proof for:
"Instead of providing the support that the team needed, Boxer often sat around and did other things that were not in relation to us.", because that's quite an accusation against Boxer, considering his current standing in the (Korean) scene?
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-21 23:52:25
October 21 2012 23:51 GMT
#3849
On October 22 2012 08:45 sekritzzz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 08:39 boxturtle wrote:
Wow, this is getting out of hand. What exactly is crank being accused of? Lying to Jessica about not wanting to be on the team anymore? If he did not even have a contract, there's no point in even accusing crank of anything. People that hardly had anything to do with Slayers disbanding are being accused of stuff at this point.

I'm pretty sure he was considering quitting up until the moment TB and the reddit brigade shipped him off to MLG. He dropped out of MvP because his neck injury, the one that was making him consider quitting. It's just fucking saddening that a player gets is motivation back and the next thing that hits him is a full out scandal.

If crank was indeed toxic to the team, it's all the better that he left the house. Why are is he a target of this witch hunt?

Maybe because the thread is called "slayers disbanding" and crank's childish acts were one of the causes of them disbanding?



How so if what he said was the truth about slayers having a crappy training environment/boxer gave 0 fucks about it? I mean at the very least 3 players thought it went bad. Crank didn't do anything childish it was just un-professional the way he handled leaving the team..

@Zoact
How exactly would he prove Boxer did nothing?
Moderatorlickypiddy
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
October 21 2012 23:52 GMT
#3850
I'm not sure I believe SlayerS bad team atmosphere can truly all be traced back to the evil source of Crank ...
Shival
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands643 Posts
October 21 2012 23:55 GMT
#3851
On October 22 2012 08:52 babylon wrote:
I'm not sure I believe SlayerS bad team atmosphere can truly all be traced back to the evil source of Crank ...


None are saying that.
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-22 00:01:41
October 21 2012 23:58 GMT
#3852
On October 22 2012 08:51 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 08:45 sekritzzz wrote:
On October 22 2012 08:39 boxturtle wrote:
Wow, this is getting out of hand. What exactly is crank being accused of? Lying to Jessica about not wanting to be on the team anymore? If he did not even have a contract, there's no point in even accusing crank of anything. People that hardly had anything to do with Slayers disbanding are being accused of stuff at this point.

I'm pretty sure he was considering quitting up until the moment TB and the reddit brigade shipped him off to MLG. He dropped out of MvP because his neck injury, the one that was making him consider quitting. It's just fucking saddening that a player gets is motivation back and the next thing that hits him is a full out scandal.

If crank was indeed toxic to the team, it's all the better that he left the house. Why are is he a target of this witch hunt?

Maybe because the thread is called "slayers disbanding" and crank's childish acts were one of the causes of them disbanding?



How so if what he said was the truth about slayers having a crappy training environment/boxer gave 0 fucks about it? I mean at the very least 3 players thought it went bad. Crank didn't do anything childish it was just un-professional the way he handled leaving the team..

@Zoact
How exactly would he prove Boxer did nothing?


Oh I don't know, evidence? Things like "Boxer did action x which influenced the team in effect y, Boxer made schedule change / team practice routine change x, Boxer neglected event x or did not do x which is expected of him." Just saying "crappy team environment" with out quantifying it doesn't really mean anything. Especially when you can match up the testimony of other slayers members or better yet have concrete evidence like practice schedules and resource / finance spending to compare to.

If I the employee accuses of my boss of not doing his job right, I better have quantifiable evidence with a schedule and time line to back it up. Same on Jessica's end, and what she's given is the facts that Crank left the team on x day and claims to for y reason, the conversations between them and Cella, then Crank streaming from home and looking for a team. These aren't opinion they are factual.
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
bucckevin
Profile Joined April 2011
858 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-22 00:06:22
October 22 2012 00:06 GMT
#3853
What about Crank's claim of not even being able to stay at the team house, having to stay at his friend's apartment, sleeping on the floor?... I find that hard to believe. Diva diva diva. Alicia and Crank, they make a good couple.
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
October 22 2012 00:22 GMT
#3854
On October 22 2012 09:06 bucckevin wrote:
What about Crank's claim of not even being able to stay at the team house, having to stay at his friend's apartment, sleeping on the floor?... I find that hard to believe. Diva diva diva. Alicia and Crank, they make a good couple.


When/where did he say that? (I may have missed it, dunno) Also if that happened it was after he left(?)
Moderatorlickypiddy
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
October 22 2012 00:28 GMT
#3855
On October 22 2012 08:55 Shival wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 08:52 babylon wrote:
I'm not sure I believe SlayerS bad team atmosphere can truly all be traced back to the evil source of Crank ...


None are saying that.

Crank said that Boxer thought so in his statement, and Jessica certainly didn't refute it in her response.

Then Boxer got on the phone. He explained that, according to him, from the perspective of the team and himself, I was the cause of all the internal issues, including the MMA, Ryung and Alicia ones.
Shival
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands643 Posts
October 22 2012 00:37 GMT
#3856
On October 22 2012 09:28 babylon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 08:55 Shival wrote:
On October 22 2012 08:52 babylon wrote:
I'm not sure I believe SlayerS bad team atmosphere can truly all be traced back to the evil source of Crank ...


None are saying that.

Crank said that Boxer thought so in his statement, and Jessica certainly didn't refute it in her response.

Show nested quote +
Then Boxer got on the phone. He explained that, according to him, from the perspective of the team and himself, I was the cause of all the internal issues, including the MMA, Ryung and Alicia ones.


Maybe you should read the whole thing eh?

You're saying that all the bad team atmosphere can be traced back to the evil source of Crank. None in this thread alludes to it, Jessica doesn't in her statement, nor does Crank in his and nor should you.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-22 00:52:40
October 22 2012 00:49 GMT
#3857
On October 22 2012 09:37 Shival wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 09:28 babylon wrote:
On October 22 2012 08:55 Shival wrote:
On October 22 2012 08:52 babylon wrote:
I'm not sure I believe SlayerS bad team atmosphere can truly all be traced back to the evil source of Crank ...


None are saying that.

Crank said that Boxer thought so in his statement, and Jessica certainly didn't refute it in her response.

Then Boxer got on the phone. He explained that, according to him, from the perspective of the team and himself, I was the cause of all the internal issues, including the MMA, Ryung and Alicia ones.


Maybe you should read the whole thing eh?

You're saying that all the bad team atmosphere can be traced back to the evil source of Crank. None in this thread alludes to it, Jessica doesn't in her statement, nor does Crank in his and nor should you.

I don't know about you, but the part I quoted very clearly says that Boxer "explained that, according to him, from the perspective of the team and himself, [Crank] was the cause of all the internal issues, including the MMA, Ryung and Alicia ones." This was in Crank's statement. Go reread it, Jesus Christ. Therefore, according to Crank, Boxer said it, so it can hardly be said that "none are saying that" (your own words). Jessica did not refute this in her statement. Either she overlooked it (and it's true/false) or she didn't (and it's true). Given her propensity to pounce on people for their words (see: the entire MC situation), I am surprised she did not comment on this.
Shival
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands643 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-22 01:15:21
October 22 2012 01:14 GMT
#3858
On October 22 2012 09:49 babylon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 09:37 Shival wrote:
On October 22 2012 09:28 babylon wrote:
On October 22 2012 08:55 Shival wrote:
On October 22 2012 08:52 babylon wrote:
I'm not sure I believe SlayerS bad team atmosphere can truly all be traced back to the evil source of Crank ...


None are saying that.

Crank said that Boxer thought so in his statement, and Jessica certainly didn't refute it in her response.

Then Boxer got on the phone. He explained that, according to him, from the perspective of the team and himself, I was the cause of all the internal issues, including the MMA, Ryung and Alicia ones.


Maybe you should read the whole thing eh?

You're saying that all the bad team atmosphere can be traced back to the evil source of Crank. None in this thread alludes to it, Jessica doesn't in her statement, nor does Crank in his and nor should you.

I don't know about you, but the part I quoted very clearly says that Boxer "explained that, according to him, from the perspective of the team and himself, [Crank] was the cause of all the internal issues, including the MMA, Ryung and Alicia ones." This was in Crank's statement. Go reread it, Jesus Christ. Therefore, according to Crank, Boxer said it, so it can hardly be said that "none are saying that" (your own words). Jessica did not refute this in her statement. Either she overlooked it (and it's true/false) or she didn't (and it's true). Given her propensity to pounce on people for their words (see: the entire MC situation), I am surprised she did not comment on this.


Ah, must've jumped over "all" in the statement for some reason. My bad and I apologise for my previous post, it was too harsh, while I shouldn't have been.

This leaves us however at an interesting position. It's obviously different than what Jessica writes about the situation, which is much more in depth if I may add. This leaves us with waiting for the release of the recording I guess.
SilSol
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden2744 Posts
October 22 2012 01:15 GMT
#3859
Wow i just heard that TotalBiscuit sound file I don't know what to think now.
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iiGreetings
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada563 Posts
October 22 2012 01:27 GMT
#3860
Wow, this is really sad. Slayers produced so many solid players and had some good success in teamleagues. Really going to miss them a lot. Best of luck to every member of, and former members of slayers!
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