EPTOn October 22 2012 08:35 Medrea wrote:
Someone should stream it and live translate.
Someone should stream it and live translate.
supernovamaniac is going to be flooded with PMs now.
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
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Medrea
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On October 22 2012 08:35 Xiphos wrote: supernovamaniac is going to be flooded with PMs now. OK so its settled. Supernovamaniac if its drama. Smix if its sex tape. | ||
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boxturtle
United States224 Posts
I'm pretty sure he was considering quitting up until the moment TB and the reddit brigade shipped him off to MLG. He dropped out of MvP because his neck injury, the one that was making him consider quitting. It's just fucking saddening that a player gets is motivation back and the next thing that hits him is a full out scandal. If crank was indeed toxic to the team, it's all the better that he left the house. Why are is he a target of this witch hunt? | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On October 22 2012 08:38 Medrea wrote: OK so its settled. Supernovamaniac if its drama. Smix if its sex tape. ![[image loading]](http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/010/100/dis%20gon%20be%20good.gif){kind=icon} aww yeah. | ||
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Oiseaux
United States676 Posts
On October 22 2012 08:39 boxturtle wrote: Wow, this is getting out of hand. What exactly is crank being accused of? Lying to Jessica about not wanting to be on the team anymore? If he did not even have a contract, there's no point in even accusing crank of anything. People that hardly had anything to do with Slayers disbanding are being accused of stuff at this point. I'm pretty sure he was considering quitting up until the moment TB and the reddit brigade shipped him off to MLG. He dropped out of MvP because his neck injury, the one that was making him consider quitting. It's just fucking saddening that a player gets is motivation back and the next thing that hits him is a full out scandal. If crank was indeed toxic to the team, it's all the better that he left the house. Why are is he a target of this witch hunt? I guess Jessica feels that if she's going down, she's taking everyone with her. It's pretty childish and awful, but that's really the only reason I can see why this keeps on going. | ||
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sekritzzz
1515 Posts
On October 22 2012 08:39 boxturtle wrote: Wow, this is getting out of hand. What exactly is crank being accused of? Lying to Jessica about not wanting to be on the team anymore? If he did not even have a contract, there's no point in even accusing crank of anything. People that hardly had anything to do with Slayers disbanding are being accused of stuff at this point. I'm pretty sure he was considering quitting up until the moment TB and the reddit brigade shipped him off to MLG. He dropped out of MvP because his neck injury, the one that was making him consider quitting. It's just fucking saddening that a player gets is motivation back and the next thing that hits him is a full out scandal. If crank was indeed toxic to the team, it's all the better that he left the house. Why are is he a target of this witch hunt? Maybe because the thread is called "slayers disbanding" and crank's childish acts were one of the causes of them disbanding? | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On October 22 2012 08:39 boxturtle wrote: Wow, this is getting out of hand. What exactly is crank being accused of? Lying to Jessica about not wanting to be on the team anymore? If he did not even have a contract, there's no point in even accusing crank of anything. People that hardly had anything to do with Slayers disbanding are being accused of stuff at this point. I'm pretty sure he was considering quitting up until the moment TB and the reddit brigade shipped him off to MLG. He dropped out of MvP because his neck injury, the one that was making him consider quitting. It's just fucking saddening that a player gets is motivation back and the next thing that hits him is a full out scandal. If crank was indeed toxic to the team, it's all the better that he left the house. Why are is he a target of this witch hunt? He was streaming the day he said he was gonne quit and was searching for a team since then. Pretty sure that is quite before TB and the reddit brigade. | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
On October 22 2012 08:13 TotalBiscuit wrote: The burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused. Where's the proof for: "Instead of providing the support that the team needed, Boxer often sat around and did other things that were not in relation to us.", because that's quite an accusation against Boxer, considering his current standing in the (Korean) scene? | ||
NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On October 22 2012 08:45 sekritzzz wrote: Maybe because the thread is called "slayers disbanding" and crank's childish acts were one of the causes of them disbanding? How so if what he said was the truth about slayers having a crappy training environment/boxer gave 0 fucks about it? I mean at the very least 3 players thought it went bad. Crank didn't do anything childish it was just un-professional the way he handled leaving the team.. @Zoact How exactly would he prove Boxer did nothing? | ||
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babylon
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Shival
Netherlands643 Posts
On October 22 2012 08:52 babylon wrote: I'm not sure I believe SlayerS bad team atmosphere can truly all be traced back to the evil source of Crank ... None are saying that. | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On October 22 2012 08:51 NovemberstOrm wrote: How so if what he said was the truth about slayers having a crappy training environment/boxer gave 0 fucks about it? I mean at the very least 3 players thought it went bad. Crank didn't do anything childish it was just un-professional the way he handled leaving the team.. @Zoact How exactly would he prove Boxer did nothing? Oh I don't know, evidence? Things like "Boxer did action x which influenced the team in effect y, Boxer made schedule change / team practice routine change x, Boxer neglected event x or did not do x which is expected of him." Just saying "crappy team environment" with out quantifying it doesn't really mean anything. Especially when you can match up the testimony of other slayers members or better yet have concrete evidence like practice schedules and resource / finance spending to compare to. If I the employee accuses of my boss of not doing his job right, I better have quantifiable evidence with a schedule and time line to back it up. Same on Jessica's end, and what she's given is the facts that Crank left the team on x day and claims to for y reason, the conversations between them and Cella, then Crank streaming from home and looking for a team. These aren't opinion they are factual. | ||
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bucckevin
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On October 22 2012 09:06 bucckevin wrote: What about Crank's claim of not even being able to stay at the team house, having to stay at his friend's apartment, sleeping on the floor?... I find that hard to believe. Diva diva diva. Alicia and Crank, they make a good couple. When/where did he say that? (I may have missed it, dunno) Also if that happened it was after he left(?) | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
Crank said that Boxer thought so in his statement, and Jessica certainly didn't refute it in her response. Then Boxer got on the phone. He explained that, according to him, from the perspective of the team and himself, I was the cause of all the internal issues, including the MMA, Ryung and Alicia ones. | ||
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Shival
Netherlands643 Posts
On October 22 2012 09:28 babylon wrote: Crank said that Boxer thought so in his statement, and Jessica certainly didn't refute it in her response. Maybe you should read the whole thing eh? You're saying that all the bad team atmosphere can be traced back to the evil source of Crank. None in this thread alludes to it, Jessica doesn't in her statement, nor does Crank in his and nor should you. | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On October 22 2012 09:37 Shival wrote: Maybe you should read the whole thing eh? You're saying that all the bad team atmosphere can be traced back to the evil source of Crank. None in this thread alludes to it, Jessica doesn't in her statement, nor does Crank in his and nor should you. I don't know about you, but the part I quoted very clearly says that Boxer "explained that, according to him, from the perspective of the team and himself, [Crank] was the cause of all the internal issues, including the MMA, Ryung and Alicia ones." This was in Crank's statement. Go reread it, Jesus Christ. Therefore, according to Crank, Boxer said it, so it can hardly be said that "none are saying that" (your own words). Jessica did not refute this in her statement. Either she overlooked it (and it's true/false) or she didn't (and it's true). Given her propensity to pounce on people for their words (see: the entire MC situation), I am surprised she did not comment on this. | ||
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Shival
Netherlands643 Posts
On October 22 2012 09:49 babylon wrote: I don't know about you, but the part I quoted very clearly says that Boxer "explained that, according to him, from the perspective of the team and himself, [Crank] was the cause of all the internal issues, including the MMA, Ryung and Alicia ones." This was in Crank's statement. Go reread it, Jesus Christ. Therefore, according to Crank, Boxer said it, so it can hardly be said that "none are saying that" (your own words). Jessica did not refute this in her statement. Either she overlooked it (and it's true/false) or she didn't (and it's true). Given her propensity to pounce on people for their words (see: the entire MC situation), I am surprised she did not comment on this. Ah, must've jumped over "all" in the statement for some reason. My bad and I apologise for my previous post, it was too harsh, while I shouldn't have been. This leaves us however at an interesting position. It's obviously different than what Jessica writes about the situation, which is much more in depth if I may add. This leaves us with waiting for the release of the recording I guess. | ||
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SilSol
Sweden2744 Posts
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iiGreetings
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