On October 22 2012 08:35 Medrea wrote:
Someone should stream it and live translate.
Someone should stream it and live translate.
supernovamaniac is going to be flooded with PMs now.
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							Xiphos
							
							
						 
						Canada7507 Posts
						 On October 22 2012 08:35 Medrea wrote: Show nested quote + On October 22 2012 08:34 Canucklehead wrote: On October 22 2012 08:28 Medrea wrote: On October 22 2012 08:13 TotalBiscuit wrote: On October 22 2012 07:42 Fearest wrote: All this time we're waiting for Crank's statement, and yet he provided ZERO proof. I would love to see Jessica's recording so we can see how much of a liar he is. I think Crank just want things done his way on the team house and when it doesn't, he try to take people to leave with him. I see this exact motion in many teams. The burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused. There is like a one hour thing Jessica is gonna post or something. For being one hour long it better be a raunchy sex tape. I want her to release the tape, then for someone to translate the full hour.  Someone should stream it and live translate. supernovamaniac is going to be flooded with PMs now. | ||
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							Medrea
							
							
						 
						10003 Posts
						 On October 22 2012 08:35 Xiphos wrote: Show nested quote + On October 22 2012 08:35 Medrea wrote: On October 22 2012 08:34 Canucklehead wrote: On October 22 2012 08:28 Medrea wrote: On October 22 2012 08:13 TotalBiscuit wrote: On October 22 2012 07:42 Fearest wrote: All this time we're waiting for Crank's statement, and yet he provided ZERO proof. I would love to see Jessica's recording so we can see how much of a liar he is. I think Crank just want things done his way on the team house and when it doesn't, he try to take people to leave with him. I see this exact motion in many teams. The burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused. There is like a one hour thing Jessica is gonna post or something. For being one hour long it better be a raunchy sex tape. I want her to release the tape, then for someone to translate the full hour.  Someone should stream it and live translate. supernovamaniac is going to be flooded with PMs now. OK so its settled. Supernovamaniac if its drama. Smix if its sex tape. | ||
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							boxturtle
							
							
						 
						United States224 Posts
						 I'm pretty sure he was considering quitting up until the moment TB and the reddit brigade shipped him off to MLG. He dropped out of MvP because his neck injury, the one that was making him consider quitting. It's just fucking saddening that a player gets is motivation back and the next thing that hits him is a full out scandal. If crank was indeed toxic to the team, it's all the better that he left the house. Why are is he a target of this witch hunt? | ||
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							Xiphos
							
							
						 
						Canada7507 Posts
						 On October 22 2012 08:38 Medrea wrote: Show nested quote + On October 22 2012 08:35 Xiphos wrote: On October 22 2012 08:35 Medrea wrote: On October 22 2012 08:34 Canucklehead wrote: On October 22 2012 08:28 Medrea wrote: On October 22 2012 08:13 TotalBiscuit wrote: On October 22 2012 07:42 Fearest wrote: All this time we're waiting for Crank's statement, and yet he provided ZERO proof. I would love to see Jessica's recording so we can see how much of a liar he is. I think Crank just want things done his way on the team house and when it doesn't, he try to take people to leave with him. I see this exact motion in many teams. The burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused. There is like a one hour thing Jessica is gonna post or something. For being one hour long it better be a raunchy sex tape. I want her to release the tape, then for someone to translate the full hour.  Someone should stream it and live translate. supernovamaniac is going to be flooded with PMs now. OK so its settled. Supernovamaniac if its drama. Smix if its sex tape. ![[image loading]](http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/010/100/dis%20gon%20be%20good.gif) aww yeah. | ||
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							Oiseaux
							
							
						 
						United States676 Posts
						 On October 22 2012 08:39 boxturtle wrote: Wow, this is getting out of hand. What exactly is crank being accused of? Lying to Jessica about not wanting to be on the team anymore? If he did not even have a contract, there's no point in even accusing crank of anything. People that hardly had anything to do with Slayers disbanding are being accused of stuff at this point. I'm pretty sure he was considering quitting up until the moment TB and the reddit brigade shipped him off to MLG. He dropped out of MvP because his neck injury, the one that was making him consider quitting. It's just fucking saddening that a player gets is motivation back and the next thing that hits him is a full out scandal. If crank was indeed toxic to the team, it's all the better that he left the house. Why are is he a target of this witch hunt? I guess Jessica feels that if she's going down, she's taking everyone with her. It's pretty childish and awful, but that's really the only reason I can see why this keeps on going. | ||
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							sekritzzz
							
							
						 
						1515 Posts
						 On October 22 2012 08:39 boxturtle wrote: Wow, this is getting out of hand. What exactly is crank being accused of? Lying to Jessica about not wanting to be on the team anymore? If he did not even have a contract, there's no point in even accusing crank of anything. People that hardly had anything to do with Slayers disbanding are being accused of stuff at this point. I'm pretty sure he was considering quitting up until the moment TB and the reddit brigade shipped him off to MLG. He dropped out of MvP because his neck injury, the one that was making him consider quitting. It's just fucking saddening that a player gets is motivation back and the next thing that hits him is a full out scandal. If crank was indeed toxic to the team, it's all the better that he left the house. Why are is he a target of this witch hunt? Maybe because the thread is called "slayers disbanding" and crank's childish acts were one of the causes of them disbanding? | ||
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							Assirra
							
							
						 
						Belgium4169 Posts
						 On October 22 2012 08:39 boxturtle wrote: Wow, this is getting out of hand. What exactly is crank being accused of? Lying to Jessica about not wanting to be on the team anymore? If he did not even have a contract, there's no point in even accusing crank of anything. People that hardly had anything to do with Slayers disbanding are being accused of stuff at this point. I'm pretty sure he was considering quitting up until the moment TB and the reddit brigade shipped him off to MLG. He dropped out of MvP because his neck injury, the one that was making him consider quitting. It's just fucking saddening that a player gets is motivation back and the next thing that hits him is a full out scandal. If crank was indeed toxic to the team, it's all the better that he left the house. Why are is he a target of this witch hunt? He was streaming the day he said he was gonne quit and was searching for a team since then. Pretty sure that is quite before TB and the reddit brigade. | ||
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							Zocat
							
							
						 
						Germany2229 Posts
						 On October 22 2012 08:13 TotalBiscuit wrote: Show nested quote + On October 22 2012 07:42 Fearest wrote: All this time we're waiting for Crank's statement, and yet he provided ZERO proof. I would love to see Jessica's recording so we can see how much of a liar he is. I think Crank just want things done his way on the team house and when it doesn't, he try to take people to leave with him. I see this exact motion in many teams. The burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused. Where's the proof for: "Instead of providing the support that the team needed, Boxer often sat around and did other things that were not in relation to us.", because that's quite an accusation against Boxer, considering his current standing in the (Korean) scene? | ||
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							NovemberstOrm
							
							
						 
						Canada16217 Posts
						 On October 22 2012 08:45 sekritzzz wrote: Show nested quote + On October 22 2012 08:39 boxturtle wrote: Wow, this is getting out of hand. What exactly is crank being accused of? Lying to Jessica about not wanting to be on the team anymore? If he did not even have a contract, there's no point in even accusing crank of anything. People that hardly had anything to do with Slayers disbanding are being accused of stuff at this point. I'm pretty sure he was considering quitting up until the moment TB and the reddit brigade shipped him off to MLG. He dropped out of MvP because his neck injury, the one that was making him consider quitting. It's just fucking saddening that a player gets is motivation back and the next thing that hits him is a full out scandal. If crank was indeed toxic to the team, it's all the better that he left the house. Why are is he a target of this witch hunt? Maybe because the thread is called "slayers disbanding" and crank's childish acts were one of the causes of them disbanding? How so if what he said was the truth about slayers having a crappy training environment/boxer gave 0 fucks about it? I mean at the very least 3 players thought it went bad. Crank didn't do anything childish it was just un-professional the way he handled leaving the team.. @Zoact How exactly would he prove Boxer did nothing? | ||
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							babylon
							
							
						 
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							Shival
							
							
						 
						Netherlands643 Posts
						 On October 22 2012 08:52 babylon wrote: I'm not sure I believe SlayerS bad team atmosphere can truly all be traced back to the evil source of Crank ... None are saying that. | ||
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							Caihead
							
							
						 
						Canada8550 Posts
						 On October 22 2012 08:51 NovemberstOrm wrote: Show nested quote + On October 22 2012 08:45 sekritzzz wrote: On October 22 2012 08:39 boxturtle wrote: Wow, this is getting out of hand. What exactly is crank being accused of? Lying to Jessica about not wanting to be on the team anymore? If he did not even have a contract, there's no point in even accusing crank of anything. People that hardly had anything to do with Slayers disbanding are being accused of stuff at this point. I'm pretty sure he was considering quitting up until the moment TB and the reddit brigade shipped him off to MLG. He dropped out of MvP because his neck injury, the one that was making him consider quitting. It's just fucking saddening that a player gets is motivation back and the next thing that hits him is a full out scandal. If crank was indeed toxic to the team, it's all the better that he left the house. Why are is he a target of this witch hunt? Maybe because the thread is called "slayers disbanding" and crank's childish acts were one of the causes of them disbanding? How so if what he said was the truth about slayers having a crappy training environment/boxer gave 0 fucks about it? I mean at the very least 3 players thought it went bad. Crank didn't do anything childish it was just un-professional the way he handled leaving the team.. @Zoact How exactly would he prove Boxer did nothing? Oh I don't know, evidence? Things like "Boxer did action x which influenced the team in effect y, Boxer made schedule change / team practice routine change x, Boxer neglected event x or did not do x which is expected of him." Just saying "crappy team environment" with out quantifying it doesn't really mean anything. Especially when you can match up the testimony of other slayers members or better yet have concrete evidence like practice schedules and resource / finance spending to compare to. If I the employee accuses of my boss of not doing his job right, I better have quantifiable evidence with a schedule and time line to back it up. Same on Jessica's end, and what she's given is the facts that Crank left the team on x day and claims to for y reason, the conversations between them and Cella, then Crank streaming from home and looking for a team. These aren't opinion they are factual. | ||
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							bucckevin
							
							
						 
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							NovemberstOrm
							
							
						 
						Canada16217 Posts
						 On October 22 2012 09:06 bucckevin wrote: What about Crank's claim of not even being able to stay at the team house, having to stay at his friend's apartment, sleeping on the floor?... I find that hard to believe. Diva diva diva. Alicia and Crank, they make a good couple. When/where did he say that? (I may have missed it, dunno) Also if that happened it was after he left(?) | ||
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							babylon
							
							
						 
						8765 Posts
						 On October 22 2012 08:55 Shival wrote: Show nested quote + On October 22 2012 08:52 babylon wrote: I'm not sure I believe SlayerS bad team atmosphere can truly all be traced back to the evil source of Crank ... None are saying that. Crank said that Boxer thought so in his statement, and Jessica certainly didn't refute it in her response. Then Boxer got on the phone. He explained that, according to him, from the perspective of the team and himself, I was the cause of all the internal issues, including the MMA, Ryung and Alicia ones. | ||
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							Shival
							
							
						 
						Netherlands643 Posts
						 On October 22 2012 09:28 babylon wrote: Show nested quote + On October 22 2012 08:55 Shival wrote: On October 22 2012 08:52 babylon wrote: I'm not sure I believe SlayerS bad team atmosphere can truly all be traced back to the evil source of Crank ... None are saying that. Crank said that Boxer thought so in his statement, and Jessica certainly didn't refute it in her response. Show nested quote + Then Boxer got on the phone. He explained that, according to him, from the perspective of the team and himself, I was the cause of all the internal issues, including the MMA, Ryung and Alicia ones. Maybe you should read the whole thing eh? You're saying that all the bad team atmosphere can be traced back to the evil source of Crank. None in this thread alludes to it, Jessica doesn't in her statement, nor does Crank in his and nor should you. | ||
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							babylon
							
							
						 
						8765 Posts
						 On October 22 2012 09:37 Shival wrote: Show nested quote + On October 22 2012 09:28 babylon wrote: On October 22 2012 08:55 Shival wrote: On October 22 2012 08:52 babylon wrote: I'm not sure I believe SlayerS bad team atmosphere can truly all be traced back to the evil source of Crank ... None are saying that. Crank said that Boxer thought so in his statement, and Jessica certainly didn't refute it in her response. Then Boxer got on the phone. He explained that, according to him, from the perspective of the team and himself, I was the cause of all the internal issues, including the MMA, Ryung and Alicia ones. Maybe you should read the whole thing eh? You're saying that all the bad team atmosphere can be traced back to the evil source of Crank. None in this thread alludes to it, Jessica doesn't in her statement, nor does Crank in his and nor should you. I don't know about you, but the part I quoted very clearly says that Boxer "explained that, according to him, from the perspective of the team and himself, [Crank] was the cause of all the internal issues, including the MMA, Ryung and Alicia ones." This was in Crank's statement. Go reread it, Jesus Christ. Therefore, according to Crank, Boxer said it, so it can hardly be said that "none are saying that" (your own words). Jessica did not refute this in her statement. Either she overlooked it (and it's true/false) or she didn't (and it's true). Given her propensity to pounce on people for their words (see: the entire MC situation), I am surprised she did not comment on this. | ||
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							Shival
							
							
						 
						Netherlands643 Posts
						 On October 22 2012 09:49 babylon wrote: Show nested quote + On October 22 2012 09:37 Shival wrote: On October 22 2012 09:28 babylon wrote: On October 22 2012 08:55 Shival wrote: On October 22 2012 08:52 babylon wrote: I'm not sure I believe SlayerS bad team atmosphere can truly all be traced back to the evil source of Crank ... None are saying that. Crank said that Boxer thought so in his statement, and Jessica certainly didn't refute it in her response. Then Boxer got on the phone. He explained that, according to him, from the perspective of the team and himself, I was the cause of all the internal issues, including the MMA, Ryung and Alicia ones. Maybe you should read the whole thing eh? You're saying that all the bad team atmosphere can be traced back to the evil source of Crank. None in this thread alludes to it, Jessica doesn't in her statement, nor does Crank in his and nor should you. I don't know about you, but the part I quoted very clearly says that Boxer "explained that, according to him, from the perspective of the team and himself, [Crank] was the cause of all the internal issues, including the MMA, Ryung and Alicia ones." This was in Crank's statement. Go reread it, Jesus Christ. Therefore, according to Crank, Boxer said it, so it can hardly be said that "none are saying that" (your own words). Jessica did not refute this in her statement. Either she overlooked it (and it's true/false) or she didn't (and it's true). Given her propensity to pounce on people for their words (see: the entire MC situation), I am surprised she did not comment on this. Ah, must've jumped over "all" in the statement for some reason. My bad and I apologise for my previous post, it was too harsh, while I shouldn't have been. This leaves us however at an interesting position. It's obviously different than what Jessica writes about the situation, which is much more in depth if I may add. This leaves us with waiting for the release of the recording I guess. | ||
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							SilSol
							
							
						 
						Sweden2744 Posts
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