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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On October 20 2012 01:34 farnham wrote: yup but TL standard=/= real world if id say to a friend (incl. korean friends) something like shibalnom they would not be amused. Friends say "fuck you" or "motherfucker" to each other all the time. I've been to European, US and Asian and this is true everywhere. | ||
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Jaedong4thOSL
United States487 Posts
On October 20 2012 02:09 Ghostbone wrote: I tried explain that in others countries and cultures, isn't offensive to talk with friends like that... maybe in another culture this kind of things deserves death sentence. ps: I know the topic is about Koreans, don't need to clarify that  Believe me, in east asian, China, Korea, Japan, Taiwan, this kind of thing is very very bad even between very close friends. | ||
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JSy
149 Posts
* 그리고 제 기억이 맞는진 모르겠지만 슬레이어스 창단하고 저희 4명에게 화내신 사건이후로 슬스팀원들한테 타팀에게 인사하지 말라고한건 사실인가요? 실제로 전 성원이형 제외하곤 그시기에 인사 받아본적이없네요 슬레기새끼라고 한건 분명히 사과드리지만 * My memory may be incorrect, after forming SlayerS and confront us four [I believe refering to previous tweet re:World Championship], is it true that you told SlayerS members to ignore ["not say 'hi' to"] other teams? I don't think anyone said hi to me except MMA during that period. I am definitely sorry for saying "SlayerS trash" [cf. joke with Genius] * 저를 잡고 늘어져서 연맹쪽에 피해주려는 움직임은 안보이셨으면좋겠습니다 전 해외팀으로 이적한지 거의 1년이 되가고 있고 누구에게도 연습거부를한적이없으며 왕따를시킨적도없거든요 생각없이 민수에게 그런 발언을 한건 정말 죄송합니다 * I would ask that you not drag me into your attacks on the eSF. It's coming on a full year since I signed with a froeign team and I have never personally refused to practice partner with anyone nor have I ever ostracized anyone. I am very sorry for making those remarks at Genius, I didn't think about what I was saying. * 이해를 못하는분들이있는데 슬레 창단후에 타팀과 교류 전혀없었고 인사또한 안했습니다. 그리고 제가 뭐 무슨 죽을죄 진놈처럼됐는데 당황스럽네요 제가 질문한 대답에는 하나도 대답안하시고 예전에 몰아부치시던건 언급조차 없으신데 * A few people don't seem to understand. [When/After] SlayerS was formed, there was no exchange between them and other teams, they didn't even greet us. Also, it seems I've somehow become the bad guy [I'm a little taken aback by this response]. All of my questions have gone unanswered and there is no mention of how you confronted me [...] * 자기 하고싶으신 말씀만 하셔서 저만 나쁜놈 만드시는거같고 트위터로 이러는거 좀 이상하다고 생각되네요 누가봐도 공개적으로 밝히고 사과받고싶고 나쁜놈 만드시고싶어하시는거같은데 뜻대로 되셔서 좋으시겠습니다. * [...] You only say what you want and making it so I end up looking like the bad guy. Doing this over Twitter doesn't seem appropriate. Anyone can see that you are trying to publicly shame, vilify others into apologizing to you. I'm glad you're getting your way. | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On October 20 2012 02:08 lambac0re wrote: Of course nobody screenshots every conversation. But why wouldn't they screenshot in this case in the face of apparent bullying? I don't even know if it was bullying, there are plenty people who would see this as normal between friends. Maybe less in Asia, but at least Genius and MC look like pretty easygoing people. I also don't think it's cool to say such things, but maybe it's normal between them? Then there is no problem except that Jessica leaked it. Now that it's public he of course has to apologise, seeing how rampant some of the Korean netizens are. | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6660 Posts
On October 20 2012 02:08 lambac0re wrote: Of course nobody screenshots every conversation. But why wouldn't they screenshot in this case in the face of apparent bullying? The whole point is MC is saying it was a joke between friends and Jessica is trying to use it as proof of bullying etc. Which maybe the Slayers players did get bullied but I don't see MC playing a big(Or any part) in it. As mentioned in his tweets he took care of the slayers players in oversea's tournies and from what every single person that has met him has said is a very nice/friendly guy. So again I have to side with MC on this until 100% proven otherwise, in my eyes he has earned benefit of the doubt and Jessica hasn't.... | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On October 20 2012 02:08 lambac0re wrote: Of course nobody screenshots every conversation. But why wouldn't they screenshot in this case in the face of apparent bullying? heh... A few vulgar words on Bnet chat is bullying now? | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
On October 20 2012 02:16 Conti wrote: Does anyone else think it's totally unfair that Koreans (and Asians in general) get to write so much more when using Twitter thanks to different writing systems, by the way? Holy shit this. | ||
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Ghostbone
Chile18 Posts
On October 20 2012 02:11 Jaedong4thOSL wrote: Believe me, in east asian, China, Korea, Japan, Taiwan, this kind of thing is very very bad even between very close friends. Also, depends of situations... of course they are disrespectful words, but depends of so many things, that you can take it as a joke, or take it the worst way possible to beat the shit out of the guy who told that... IMO, in games like SC2 or LoL, you can't take too seriously the word of players... in Internet we all become god and think we are immune to everything, so we act like shit and BM every single person. | ||
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lambac0re
United States77 Posts
On October 20 2012 02:13 Necro)Phagist( wrote: The whole point is MC is saying it was a joke between friends and Jessica is trying to use it as proof of bullying etc. Which maybe the Slayers players did get bullied but I don't see MC playing a big(Or any part) in it. As mentioned in his tweets he took care of the slayers players in oversea's tournies and from what every single person that has met him has said is a very nice/friendly guy. So again I have to side with MC on this until 100% proven otherwise, in my eyes he has earned benefit of the doubt and Jessica hasn't.... So you think Jessica was just waiting behing Genius just looking for opportunities to screenshot MC? Honestly who do you think took the screenshot and showed it to Jessica? Why would they show it to Jessica? | ||
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Shival
Netherlands643 Posts
On October 20 2012 02:12 HolydaKing wrote: I don't even know if it was bullying, there are plenty people who would see this as normal between friends. Maybe less in Asia, but at least Genius and MC look like pretty easygoing people. I also don't think it's cool to say such things, but maybe it's normal between them? Then there is no problem except that Jessica leaked it. Now that it's public he of course has to apologise, seeing how rampant some of the Korean netizens are. Most people seem to miss the largest conclusion you can make of this entire conversation and screenshot of MC trashtalking. Jessica's accusation of largescale bullying is being proven. MC apologised specifically on calling Genius out on being "Slayers trash". The same quote that Jessica used earlier in her very first post on why Slayers disbanded. The fact that MC used this exact quote (as a joke or not), and now specifically apologises for it, tells us that it's been used before and players know it's being used by others. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On October 20 2012 02:11 Jaedong4thOSL wrote: Believe me, in east asian, China, Korea, Japan, Taiwan, this kind of thing is very very bad even between very close friends. No it is not... It depends on the context. | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6660 Posts
On October 20 2012 02:21 lambac0re wrote: So you think Jessica was just waiting behing Genius just looking for opportunities to screenshot MC? Honestly who do you think took the screenshot and showed it to Jessica? Why would they show it to Jessica? The screenshot was from a replay.................... | ||
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lambac0re
United States77 Posts
On October 20 2012 02:23 Necro)Phagist( wrote: The screenshot was from a replay.................... And? Are you saying Jessica is personlly going through every replay of every slayers player to look for evidence? Much more likely somebody else had taken offense and brought this to her attention. | ||
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nOondn
564 Posts
On October 20 2012 02:23 Necro)Phagist( wrote: The screenshot was from a replay.................... From farnham (He is korean) apparantly jessica knew about this because boxer saw the chat screen and told her jessica asked genius and genius said nothing to it. | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
Do you say this when someone is making a joke and you find it funny? Though MC already has apologized, that should be enough. | ||
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On October 20 2012 02:21 lambac0re wrote: So you think Jessica was just waiting behing Genius just looking for opportunities to screenshot MC? Honestly who do you think took the screenshot and showed it to Jessica? Why would they show it to Jessica? The screenshot is from a replay (as you can see), so obvious Genius didn't take screenshot at the time. The story is (I'm not sure it's true or not) Boxer saw the chat and told Jessica, Jessica asked Genius but he didn't want say anything. Jessica then probably asked to see the replay (since they are auto saved) and then took the screenshot. Jessica asked MC and MC said he was talking to Genius and not her | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
the replay question was apparently a practice match between MC and someone else in preparation against a SlayerS player, but Genius was there spectating. MC was telling him to gtfo and leave, and called him slayers trash/spy because he didn't want the practice builds revealed. The harshness of his method was mostly meant to be a friendly shit talk that happens between friends, but MC admits he was wrong in saying SlayerS trash, and apologies for saying that. That at least explains why he was saying gtfo and spy. | ||
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
On October 20 2012 02:24 lambac0re wrote: And? Are you saying Jessica is personlly going through every replay of every slayers player to look for evidence? Much more likely somebody else had taken offense and brought this to her attention. You would be surprised on how far Jessica would go . . . | ||
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