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On October 20 2012 02:30 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 02:22 Shival wrote:On October 20 2012 02:12 HolydaKing wrote:On October 20 2012 02:08 lambac0re wrote:On October 20 2012 02:03 HolydaKing wrote:On October 20 2012 02:00 vthree wrote:
lol, no wonder no one wanted to practice with Slayers... You never know when your chat will be screenshot'ed in the end this is right, lol. or at least it sounds about right at the moment. Of course nobody screenshots every conversation. But why wouldn't they screenshot in this case in the face of apparent bullying? I don't even know if it was bullying, there are plenty people who would see this as normal between friends. Maybe less in Asia, but at least Genius and MC look like pretty easygoing people. I also don't think it's cool to say such things, but maybe it's normal between them? Then there is no problem except that Jessica leaked it. Now that it's public he of course has to apologise, seeing how rampant some of the Korean netizens are. Most people seem to miss the largest conclusion you can make of this entire conversation and screenshot of MC trashtalking. Jessica's accusation of largescale bullying is being proven. MC apologised specifically on calling Genius out on being "Slayers trash". The same quote that Jessica used earlier in her very first post on why Slayers disbanded. The fact that MC used this exact quote (as a joke or not), and now specifically apologises for it, tells us that it's been used before and players know it's being used by others. The other possibility is Jessica based the whole Slayers Trash thing on this screenshot.
Hardly sizzler.prime already confirmed it with his tweets
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On October 20 2012 02:29 vthree wrote:
And if the bullying was serious, shouldn't Jessica have air this out a lot sooner? Remember these are teenagers and serious bullying can affect them a lot and should be stopped right away. Why is Jessica only making this public now? And only to explain why Slayers are disbanding. Seems trying to save face and lay the blame on others rather than really caring about her players.
Exactly, no fucking idea... FXOBoSs also wrote a rant on things like that and the situation some hours ago: http://fxoboss.tumblr.com
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On October 20 2012 02:37 ssxsilver wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 02:32 ACrow wrote:
I'm getting depressed by all this drama. From what I saw from MC's personality I cannot believe he'd say something like this in earnest to insult. So either Jessica is a liar or MC is in truth an evil actor. I know what I believe. Not necessarily. It could be that MC is completely truthful in saying the comments were made in jest... but still done poorly. Take for example you have in your head the most amusing racial joke and you to tell it your friend and he gets offended.. your intentions aren't to be hateful but the results are same. I think given the tension involved in all things Slayers, MC could have exercised a lot more caution, but this whole thing isn't serious enough that a simple apology (which he gave) won't solve.
Fuck intentions, why would you care about the intentions of the oppressor when we can be just and care about the feelings of the oppressed, it's always has extra sting when you insult the group a person belongs to than the person. Not cool.
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On October 20 2012 02:42 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 02:37 ragz_gt wrote:On October 20 2012 02:34 Disengaged wrote:On October 20 2012 02:32 lambac0re wrote:On October 20 2012 02:30 Disengaged wrote:On October 20 2012 02:24 lambac0re wrote:On October 20 2012 02:23 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On October 20 2012 02:21 lambac0re wrote:On October 20 2012 02:13 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On October 20 2012 02:08 lambac0re wrote:
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Of course nobody screenshots every conversation. But why wouldn't they screenshot in this case in the face of apparent bullying? The whole point is MC is saying it was a joke between friends and Jessica is trying to use it as proof of bullying etc. Which maybe the Slayers players did get bullied but I don't see MC playing a big(Or any part) in it. As mentioned in his tweets he took care of the slayers players in oversea's tournies and from what every single person that has met him has said is a very nice/friendly guy. So again I have to side with MC on this until 100% proven otherwise, in my eyes he has earned benefit of the doubt and Jessica hasn't.... So you think Jessica was just waiting behing Genius just looking for opportunities to screenshot MC? Honestly who do you think took the screenshot and showed it to Jessica? Why would they show it to Jessica? The screenshot was from a replay.................... And? Are you saying Jessica is personlly going through every replay of every slayers player to look for evidence? Much more likely somebody else had taken offense and brought this to her attention. You would be surprised on how far Jessica would go . . . The fact that you would even insinuate this is absurd. Do you have any idea how many games pro gamers play per day with each game averaging 10 min+? Indeed I do. Also, in replays, its called fast forward. The story is that Boxer saw it live and told Jessica about it, so she didn't need to go through every replay. Even if just Boxer got offended, Genius did not, it is still not OK for what MC said. He can call Genius trash, but Slayers trash is offensive to Boxer and the whole team.
I think with yesterdays post on playxp its clear who is genius siding with.
and its jessica not esf or mc
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On October 20 2012 02:45 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 02:29 vthree wrote:
And if the bullying was serious, shouldn't Jessica have air this out a lot sooner? Remember these are teenagers and serious bullying can affect them a lot and should be stopped right away. Why is Jessica only making this public now? And only to explain why Slayers are disbanding. Seems trying to save face and lay the blame on others rather than really caring about her players. Exactly, no fucking idea... FXOBoSs also wrote a rant on things like that and the situation some hours ago: http://fxoboss.tumblr.com
Leaving it hidden will allow the rotten core to thrive more than it already has. If eSports (or rather SC2) ever wants to grow even larger, it has to shed that core which is only out for their own gain. I think it's the only right thing to do actually.
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On October 20 2012 02:45 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 02:29 vthree wrote:
And if the bullying was serious, shouldn't Jessica have air this out a lot sooner? Remember these are teenagers and serious bullying can affect them a lot and should be stopped right away. Why is Jessica only making this public now? And only to explain why Slayers are disbanding. Seems trying to save face and lay the blame on others rather than really caring about her players. Exactly, no fucking idea... FXOBoSs also wrote a rant on things like that and the situation some hours ago: http://fxoboss.tumblr.com
FXO was part of the practice ban
of course he would say that his conduct had no impact
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On October 20 2012 02:43 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 02:30 ragz_gt wrote:On October 20 2012 02:22 Shival wrote:On October 20 2012 02:12 HolydaKing wrote:On October 20 2012 02:08 lambac0re wrote:On October 20 2012 02:03 HolydaKing wrote:On October 20 2012 02:00 vthree wrote:
lol, no wonder no one wanted to practice with Slayers... You never know when your chat will be screenshot'ed in the end this is right, lol. or at least it sounds about right at the moment. Of course nobody screenshots every conversation. But why wouldn't they screenshot in this case in the face of apparent bullying? I don't even know if it was bullying, there are plenty people who would see this as normal between friends. Maybe less in Asia, but at least Genius and MC look like pretty easygoing people. I also don't think it's cool to say such things, but maybe it's normal between them? Then there is no problem except that Jessica leaked it. Now that it's public he of course has to apologise, seeing how rampant some of the Korean netizens are. Most people seem to miss the largest conclusion you can make of this entire conversation and screenshot of MC trashtalking. Jessica's accusation of largescale bullying is being proven. MC apologised specifically on calling Genius out on being "Slayers trash". The same quote that Jessica used earlier in her very first post on why Slayers disbanded. The fact that MC used this exact quote (as a joke or not), and now specifically apologises for it, tells us that it's been used before and players know it's being used by others. The other possibility is Jessica based the whole Slayers Trash thing on this screenshot. Hardly sizzler.prime already confirmed it with his tweets
Serious question... who is sizzler prime? Sounds like a juicy steak. AFAIK he was never in prime clan (might be in prime team though but that is a frigging HUGE amateur organization with no real connection to anything).
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On October 20 2012 02:50 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 02:45 HolydaKing wrote:On October 20 2012 02:29 vthree wrote:
And if the bullying was serious, shouldn't Jessica have air this out a lot sooner? Remember these are teenagers and serious bullying can affect them a lot and should be stopped right away. Why is Jessica only making this public now? And only to explain why Slayers are disbanding. Seems trying to save face and lay the blame on others rather than really caring about her players. Exactly, no fucking idea... FXOBoSs also wrote a rant on things like that and the situation some hours ago: http://fxoboss.tumblr.com FXO was part of the practice ban of course he would say that his conduct had no impact
I remember him saying in this thread he had no idea of it... He is also not representing the ESF or whatever, Choya is. Both of those things were written somewhere in thread iirc, but this thread is getting pretty long to search.
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On October 20 2012 02:50 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 02:45 HolydaKing wrote:On October 20 2012 02:29 vthree wrote:
And if the bullying was serious, shouldn't Jessica have air this out a lot sooner? Remember these are teenagers and serious bullying can affect them a lot and should be stopped right away. Why is Jessica only making this public now? And only to explain why Slayers are disbanding. Seems trying to save face and lay the blame on others rather than really caring about her players. Exactly, no fucking idea... FXOBoSs also wrote a rant on things like that and the situation some hours ago: http://fxoboss.tumblr.com FXO was part of the practice ban of course he would say that his conduct had no impact
Are you positive? I thought FXO always operated outside of ESF.
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On October 20 2012 02:51 ssxsilver wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 02:50 farnham wrote:On October 20 2012 02:45 HolydaKing wrote:On October 20 2012 02:29 vthree wrote:
And if the bullying was serious, shouldn't Jessica have air this out a lot sooner? Remember these are teenagers and serious bullying can affect them a lot and should be stopped right away. Why is Jessica only making this public now? And only to explain why Slayers are disbanding. Seems trying to save face and lay the blame on others rather than really caring about her players. Exactly, no fucking idea... FXOBoSs also wrote a rant on things like that and the situation some hours ago: http://fxoboss.tumblr.com FXO was part of the practice ban of course he would say that his conduct had no impact Are you positive? I thought FXO always operated outside of ESF.
choyas name is on the official apology
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On October 20 2012 02:53 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 02:51 ssxsilver wrote:On October 20 2012 02:50 farnham wrote:On October 20 2012 02:45 HolydaKing wrote:On October 20 2012 02:29 vthree wrote:
And if the bullying was serious, shouldn't Jessica have air this out a lot sooner? Remember these are teenagers and serious bullying can affect them a lot and should be stopped right away. Why is Jessica only making this public now? And only to explain why Slayers are disbanding. Seems trying to save face and lay the blame on others rather than really caring about her players. Exactly, no fucking idea... FXOBoSs also wrote a rant on things like that and the situation some hours ago: http://fxoboss.tumblr.com FXO was part of the practice ban of course he would say that his conduct had no impact Are you positive? I thought FXO always operated outside of ESF. choyas name is on the official apology
Oh. Well that kinda convolutes things a bit..
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On October 20 2012 02:51 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 02:50 farnham wrote:On October 20 2012 02:45 HolydaKing wrote:On October 20 2012 02:29 vthree wrote:
And if the bullying was serious, shouldn't Jessica have air this out a lot sooner? Remember these are teenagers and serious bullying can affect them a lot and should be stopped right away. Why is Jessica only making this public now? And only to explain why Slayers are disbanding. Seems trying to save face and lay the blame on others rather than really caring about her players. Exactly, no fucking idea... FXOBoSs also wrote a rant on things like that and the situation some hours ago: http://fxoboss.tumblr.com FXO was part of the practice ban of course he would say that his conduct had no impact I remember him saying in this thread he had no idea of it... He is also not representing the ESF or whatever, Choya is.
i remember him being on STOG and stressign that FOU is not FXO Korea but the Korean Division of FXO
choya is his subordinate
either he is a bad manager that has no control over his korean division or he is lying
whichever it is it doesnt make him look good
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On October 20 2012 02:54 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 02:51 HolydaKing wrote:On October 20 2012 02:50 farnham wrote:On October 20 2012 02:45 HolydaKing wrote:On October 20 2012 02:29 vthree wrote:
And if the bullying was serious, shouldn't Jessica have air this out a lot sooner? Remember these are teenagers and serious bullying can affect them a lot and should be stopped right away. Why is Jessica only making this public now? And only to explain why Slayers are disbanding. Seems trying to save face and lay the blame on others rather than really caring about her players. Exactly, no fucking idea... FXOBoSs also wrote a rant on things like that and the situation some hours ago: http://fxoboss.tumblr.com FXO was part of the practice ban of course he would say that his conduct had no impact I remember him saying in this thread he had no idea of it... He is also not representing the ESF or whatever, Choya is. i remember him being on STOG and stressign that FOU is not FXO Korea but the Korean Division of FXO choya is his subordinate either he is a bad manager that has no control over his korean division or he is lying whichever it is it doesnt make him look good
isn't he just the investor? and such the heart of the team? maybe i'm wrong.
also, keep in mind that he said he was mad about not knowing it... should've mentioned it. he certainly isn't happy.
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On October 20 2012 02:56 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 02:54 farnham wrote:On October 20 2012 02:51 HolydaKing wrote:On October 20 2012 02:50 farnham wrote:On October 20 2012 02:45 HolydaKing wrote:On October 20 2012 02:29 vthree wrote:
And if the bullying was serious, shouldn't Jessica have air this out a lot sooner? Remember these are teenagers and serious bullying can affect them a lot and should be stopped right away. Why is Jessica only making this public now? And only to explain why Slayers are disbanding. Seems trying to save face and lay the blame on others rather than really caring about her players. Exactly, no fucking idea... FXOBoSs also wrote a rant on things like that and the situation some hours ago: http://fxoboss.tumblr.com FXO was part of the practice ban of course he would say that his conduct had no impact I remember him saying in this thread he had no idea of it... He is also not representing the ESF or whatever, Choya is. i remember him being on STOG and stressign that FOU is not FXO Korea but the Korean Division of FXO choya is his subordinate either he is a bad manager that has no control over his korean division or he is lying whichever it is it doesnt make him look good isn't he just the investor? and such the heart of the team? maybe i'm wrong. also, keep in mind that he said he was mad about not knowing it... should've mentioned it. he certainly isn't happy.
He is more of a cheerleader // wallet type that doesn't involve in day to day operation AFAIK.
Not that he shouldn't be aware of it. He definitely was in his rant (everyone in Korean were aware of Slayers condition).
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On October 20 2012 02:56 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 02:54 farnham wrote:On October 20 2012 02:51 HolydaKing wrote:On October 20 2012 02:50 farnham wrote:On October 20 2012 02:45 HolydaKing wrote:On October 20 2012 02:29 vthree wrote:
And if the bullying was serious, shouldn't Jessica have air this out a lot sooner? Remember these are teenagers and serious bullying can affect them a lot and should be stopped right away. Why is Jessica only making this public now? And only to explain why Slayers are disbanding. Seems trying to save face and lay the blame on others rather than really caring about her players. Exactly, no fucking idea... FXOBoSs also wrote a rant on things like that and the situation some hours ago: http://fxoboss.tumblr.com FXO was part of the practice ban of course he would say that his conduct had no impact I remember him saying in this thread he had no idea of it... He is also not representing the ESF or whatever, Choya is. i remember him being on STOG and stressign that FOU is not FXO Korea but the Korean Division of FXO choya is his subordinate either he is a bad manager that has no control over his korean division or he is lying whichever it is it doesnt make him look good isn't he just the investor? and such the heart of the team? maybe i'm wrong. also, keep in mind that he said he was mad about not knowing it... should've mentioned it. he certainly isn't happy.
Should be getting mad at Choya then, instead of Jessica.
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Regardless of Boss's role in all this, I feel like he's totally right when he calls out Slayers for not bringing this to people's attention when the team still existed. Why would you wait until your team is disbanded to say this stuff? It feels like Jessica bottled all of this up and now that Slayers is dead she wants to take the whole scene down with her.
It's tragic in so many ways. We could still have Slayers and a less corrupt eSF had she spoken up sooner. She seems like a fairly smart person, and obviously knows how having fans works in terms of support. I don't get why she didn't talk about the boycott when it started happening - which was a long time ago!
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On October 20 2012 02:59 Swords wrote:
Regardless of Boss's role in all this, I feel like he's totally right when he calls out Slayers for not bringing this to people's attention when the team still existed. Why would you wait until your team is disbanded to say this stuff? It feels like Jessica bottled all of this up and now that Slayers is dead she wants to take the whole scene down with her.
It's tragic in so many ways. We could still have Slayers and a less corrupt eSF had she spoken up sooner. She seems like a fairly smart person, and obviously knows how having fans works in terms of support. I don't get why she didn't talk about the boycott when it started happening - which was a long time ago!
you cannot reveal things like this unlike you are leaving the scene forever
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lets also not forget that fxoboss was making snide comments about boxer going to skt and jessica was furious about this
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=360942
jessica also made one more comment that was not in this
KimKaYeon @SlayerS_Jessica
너의 팀이 무슨일을 햇는지.. 보고나 제대로 받앗나 모르갯구나..
translation : did you get reports from what your team did?
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On October 20 2012 02:57 Shival wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 02:56 HolydaKing wrote:On October 20 2012 02:54 farnham wrote:On October 20 2012 02:51 HolydaKing wrote:On October 20 2012 02:50 farnham wrote:On October 20 2012 02:45 HolydaKing wrote:On October 20 2012 02:29 vthree wrote:
And if the bullying was serious, shouldn't Jessica have air this out a lot sooner? Remember these are teenagers and serious bullying can affect them a lot and should be stopped right away. Why is Jessica only making this public now? And only to explain why Slayers are disbanding. Seems trying to save face and lay the blame on others rather than really caring about her players. Exactly, no fucking idea... FXOBoSs also wrote a rant on things like that and the situation some hours ago: http://fxoboss.tumblr.com FXO was part of the practice ban of course he would say that his conduct had no impact I remember him saying in this thread he had no idea of it... He is also not representing the ESF or whatever, Choya is. i remember him being on STOG and stressign that FOU is not FXO Korea but the Korean Division of FXO choya is his subordinate either he is a bad manager that has no control over his korean division or he is lying whichever it is it doesnt make him look good isn't he just the investor? and such the heart of the team? maybe i'm wrong. also, keep in mind that he said he was mad about not knowing it... should've mentioned it. he certainly isn't happy. Should be getting mad at Choya then, instead of Jessica.
I'm sure he is, if he is mad on Jessica or not i have no idea. Probably a bit too, you can see in his rant he doesn't like the way she is publicizing stuff now and not directly.
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On October 20 2012 02:59 Swords wrote:
Regardless of Boss's role in all this, I feel like he's totally right when he calls out Slayers for not bringing this to people's attention when the team still existed. Why would you wait until your team is disbanded to say this stuff? It feels like Jessica bottled all of this up and now that Slayers is dead she wants to take the whole scene down with her.
It's tragic in so many ways. We could still have Slayers and a less corrupt eSF had she spoken up sooner. She seems like a fairly smart person, and obviously knows how having fans works in terms of support. I don't get why she didn't talk about the boycott when it started happening - which was a long time ago!
For those exact same reasons that BoSS stated... it looks bad on Starcraft 2 and it's organizations, thus less sponsors. She did try to solve the issues through private channels, which didn't work out. Obviously she and BoxeR then lost all confidence in the future of ESF and it's organizations, including players. Thus they disband and bring the issues to light.
I think it's fairly normal, and what nearly every person would've done.
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