Destiny on where he thinks SC2 is heading. - Page 56

On October 18 2012 08:40 Pwnographics wrote:


Sounds intelligent. too bad Blizzard don't do intelligent.

in contrast the SC2 focus on 1v1 means everyone you encounter is (in effect) a mortal enemy.

On October 18 2012 09:04 StreetWise wrote:


This thought was enlightening to me. I was wondering why its so hard to make friends in SC2. I think this combined with the late chat channels is what killed the in game community. I had a full friends list in WC3 and we would do stuff like 1v1 FULL OBS!!! and talk about the games and things. But SC2 seems empty and as many have pointed out, there is only this looming find match button. So there you are alone, waiting for your mortal enemy to pop on your screen where if you win, its because you cheesed and are terrible and if you lose its because you suck and are terrible.

On October 18 2012 08:46 Mirror0423 wrote:
While I agree a lot from a player perspective of Destiny, I think there is another major problem for SC2. I read a post (i think by orb) on what parts of starcraft2 compared to broodwar is lacking (there are parts where SC2 is superior as well).
BW scene in Korea, while at first, exploded due to a high number of casual players watching the game, towards the end it wasn't the giant player base that kept it going. If you watch every finals matches, in the beginning of broodwar it was mostly males who watched the game. But towards the end, we all know, a large portion (if not almost the majority) were females, who did not play the game. They probably understood the game, and what happens in the game, but not as many played the game. Starcraft broodwar was a spectateable sport. Much like even though so many people watch baseball/basketball/football in the US, not as many people play them.
I've been a long time diehard fan of broodwar, and even though I lost interest in Starcraft 2 a long time ago, time and time again i try to watch a few games out of nostalgia. But it's never the same. I mean, ofcourse it's a different game, but it's not only because it's a differnet game, it takes a lot of fun out of just watching the game. Sure there are more lights and flashes and explosions, but I didn't watch for that. And this got me to think what was it that made me love watching broodwar so much. The best i can explain is the lack of tension. For example: in SC2 a protoss army V a terran army fight, most of the time, you can tell who's going to win by just looking at the army. You can say "as long as terran doesn't engage stupidly terran will win" or vise versa. But in BW, there were factors that changed the game a 180 degree in a single moment. When that money EMP hits the zealots and arbiter, everyone in the crowd would cheer and scream. In the game Free V Flash, or Free V Hiya, when the terrans locked down Free's arbiters, everyone went nuts. Sure a part of it it because ghosts are rarely used, and seeing a lockdown used strategically was epic, but also it's because you can point to that moment in the game that by skin of one's teeth the game had changed.
Better example, when terran is pushing out, and zerg is on hive. Terran is pressuring and pressuring trying to break the door. There is that tension of "is zerg going to take critical damage before defiler comes out, or will the defiler come out in time?". When the defiler comes out, consumes, and dark swarms, right at zerg's own front door, people screamed and shouted. A lot of it has to do with what orb's article said about something pros can do that we can not easily emulate, but also because we know that from that point on it's a different game. No big flashy army battle happened, not that many units died. But it's a completely new game.
I have a hard time pointing out those moments in starcraft 2. I mean, colossi are supposed to be the "reaver replacement" essentially, but most people know that 1 colossi is rarely enough. It's not like getting that 1 reaver out when terran just tried to rush you with bio units. Or getting it out moments before hydras are about to rush to your base. Getting 1 colossi out doesn't cause that screaming and shouting from me as when that 1 reaver coming out did. Even though it was just a production of a single unit. units pop out all the time, but it was different.
League of legends, and DOTA2 (as i play both games) has those moments where you think to yourself "is that thing going to land and stun them all perfectly?" moment. (each game has their own "famous engagements" vids. Rubick's utl steals come to mind right away atm)
For me that's what makes SC2 harder to watch. There isn't that tension of "oh is it going to come out in time!!!" or "oh is that money emp going to hit" "are the zealot bombs going to cause the mines to blow up half the terran's army" "are the stroms going to decimate the zerg/terran/protoss army" "is the defiler going to come out" "are the lurkers going to finish morphing and burrow at the ramp before terran hits the 3rd". Sure not all these moments happen every game. Sometimes flash just moves out with a handful of marines and medics and kills the 3rd before hydras have started to morph yet. But never in any sport is there an "exciting moment" in every game. That's why they're so special, and we watch the sport. To wittness the special moments.
In SC2 it's never "one unit" or "one moment" it's a "Seriese of moments" or "sequence of events". One colossi is never enough, but 3, now that's a differnet story. One infestor is nothing, while 5 changes the game. But who can stay excited while colossi pop out one by one by one. Compared to that defiler popping out of the egg and consuming the zergling.
I love starcraft. When the last OSL was played, I cried, as i'm sure a ton of BW fans did. And I had to explain to people it was as if watching my 3rd parent pass away. I know that SC2 is it's successor, or at least it's supposed to be, and as much as i hate the game the way it is now, I hope that it evolves in to somehow reaching that high bar the BW set.

On October 18 2012 09:16 Lokian wrote:
Basically,

Everyone: e-sports = competitive gaming
Destiny: e-sports = casual gaming

IMO, individual type games will outlast team-oriented type games in the long run due to celebrity/rolemodel created by individual games. Also the ease of spectating in 1v1 games.

People grow old. People stop playing and move on. The players-base will fade away, because the only fans you got are the actual players. You will see dota type games die in a generation once our culture eats itself more and more.

On October 18 2012 08:30 NightOfTheDead wrote:
Speaking of BW, you have to take into account that BW 'became' esports game through sheer luck. It's balance is an accident which was never projected or really modified. Because of that, it is difficult to achieve smth like that in SC2, it is like winning a lottery 2 times in a row.

On October 18 2012 09:51 J1.au wrote:

Which is why they should've only updated the graphics. I knew this would turn out badly when I saw the utterly stupid new units they were adding. They threw away Chess pieces and replaced them with ones from Checkers.