Destiny on where he thinks SC2 is heading. - Page 104

On November 09 2012 18:42 udgnim wrote:


can't take Grubby's SC2 randomness opinion at face value when he was one of the best WC3 players while he's some tiers below the best SC2 Protoss players

WC3 game mechanics of micro heavy high HP army & hero control is also vastly different from SC2 game mechanics

my opinion on players that get hot for 1-2 months then start falling off is that they figure something out that allows them to get ahead of the curve for that time then everybody starts catching up and figuring it out

SC2 player skill ceiling is still being advanced and still being better figured out. some players can keep up and are the trend setters. other players lag behind needing others to show them what to do. some players start to fall off (Nestea) and others fall off completely (example being Huk currently experiencing what Jinro went through).

things like balance patches also constantly shape the game and how the pros play although Blizzard hasn't released one in a while in an apparent attempt to let the game stabilize, but I do think that is causing the game to stagnate with PvP being boring as hell and Infestor heavy Zerg play being very non-exciting.

On October 17 2012 14:37 Xxio wrote:
Blizzard should have given Brood War a facelift instead of making StarCraft 2.

On December 10 2012 05:06 Garmer wrote:

absolutely this.
the fan say:you can't reinvent the wheel and Pardo say: we are not reinventing the wheel, we are re imagining it
guess what Pardo, you are re-imagined it, in the wrong way

On December 10 2012 05:11 Zorkmid wrote:


No one would play it.

On December 10 2012 05:12 Fragile51 wrote:


And no one would buy it either. Just think about it, who's going to buy reskinned BW? Might as well just buy BW.

On December 10 2012 04:36 LOLItsRyann wrote:


I find things like this interesting. Why would people get offended. It's someone's opinion. Personally, I play LoL and SC2 50-50 and I thoroughly enjoy both of them. if some random person came up to me in the street and said "League of Legends is the worst game ever, I will never play it, It's a complete waste of time... yadayadayada". I would say cool, and go home and play League of Legends, because I enjoy it, and majority of people overlook that fact.

Enjoy what you like. Nobody has any right to make you feel otherwise.

and the other way round:

Let people like what they like. You have no right to make them feel otherwise.

On December 10 2012 05:12 Fragile51 wrote:


And no one would buy it either. Just think about it, who's going to buy reskinned BW? Might as well just buy BW.

On December 10 2012 05:21 Plansix wrote:
How is this thread back? I thought we were free of the dumbness created by Destiny losing stream viewers and making less money.

On December 10 2012 05:06 Garmer wrote:

absolutely this.
the fan say:you can't reinvent the wheel and Pardo say: we are not reinventing the wheel, we are re imagining it
guess what Pardo, you are re-imagined it, in the wrong way

On December 10 2012 06:39 deathmirage wrote:
I believe from the very beginning of the OP there is a fatal error or extreme sarcasm. In most things in life when you reach an unbelievable high/peak there is only one place to go...down, not up.

Part of the problem with the expectation that SC2 would explode in popularity is that BW was mostly popular in the East (Korea for example). Sure there have always been other players around the around, but never a really strong and significant following from North American, Europe, or western Asia. Why would there be an expectation that these other regions of the world would explode in their desire for SC just because Blizzard released a new game? Doesn't make sense. It also doesn't make sense that all the Koreans are going to just hop over to SC2 without any resistance.

HOTS is still in Beta and it is too early to tell what will become of it. Although personally the only thing I look forward to in HOTS is the campaign.

Now the part on advertisements and sponsors is completely missing the core problem. In my opinion any company who sponsors a SC2 tournament or SC2 event is fighting a losing battle. They are wasting money. Think about it. What is the average age of the viewers? What is their average income levels? Let's face it people. A lot of the viewers are young people with little to no extra money. High school students. College students. They don't normally have enough extra dough laying around to buy $120 gaming glasses, $200+ headsets, $60 gaming mice, $100 gaming keyboards, or any other of the normally advertised things. This is retarded as these same companies going into a High School with ads with high hopes of good conversion rates. I am actually a marketer and engineer by profession. What these companies are doing is a waste of their time and money. Having more bad customers doesn't solve the problem (The only good customer are the ones that continue to buy your stuff). Take me as a sample. I actually do have enough money to buy the things advertised, yet I don't. In fact most times I don't even see their ads, because they are either blocked or outright ignored as I do something else while they play. And even when I do see the advertisements they don't make me want to buy anything. Men as a general population don't normally buy things on impulse. Advertisements are historically more effective for women and children. Most men do some level of personal research before they buy some new toy. Men, not boys. And yes there are a lot of young boy viewers. Only problem is they don't have any money to spend. They have to beg their parents to waste $100's on gaming gear. Chances are most parents are going to think it is stupid and not buy these things. This one is a losing battle, and yes I agree. Eventually the funding will dry up when these companies figure out how retarded they are behaving.

About the Blizzard issues. Yes there are some serious problems with SC2. The absence of LAN is a huge one. The custom game system is really better than BW now. It gives you the most popular options, the most played, the entire list of options, and even the currently hosted games. What did BW give you? Only the currently hosted. Don't try to make the custom gaming scene out to be Blizzard's fault. If anything the problem is in the community. With unrealistic expectations for new maps and lazy/boring people that play the same top maps over and over again. The only reason the custom map scene seemed more successful in BW is because there was nothing to tell you what was popular. So people would be willing to try just about anything. And most maps were honestly poorly made back then, but it didn't seem to matter because people still had fun. The mass spawn maps were all the same, but played very often. There are BGH maps in SC2. They are never played and mostly poorly made. If people really wanted to play them, they could make their own version or play the best one available. Most custom map players however DON'T want to play melee games. Even modified melee games. Because they suck at it. They want to escape and play something easy like Nexus wars, Desert Strike, or Income wars. Custom maps for 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, 4v4, 2v2v2v2 or whatever were popular in BW because that was how people could play without having to worry about ladder anxiety. Play just for fun, casually. That is still available in SC2, but it is labeled in such a way that most people probably don't even realize it. But you can make custom 1v1 games with ladder maps that aren't ranked and people do join. I played a few diamond level players doing that for practice. Only issue is you have no idea what skill level you will face.

Bottom line, I agree SC2 will never be as popular as BW. That expectation is foolish, even from the start. I agree SC2 funding will dry up, because these companies are advertising to the wrong crowd. I agree that Blizzard has some issues they need to resolve, namely LAN support for SC2. Otherwise I don't really see how SC2 could be made any better to match or exceed BW.