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Oh it was just a joke! You all talk about rape, crime and pedophilia! Ok he don't have a good humor but it's not a reason to call for his death or have a debate on sexual majority of a girl who doesn't exist.
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This entire thread is the reason why esports won't ever become mainstream.
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Wow people still discussing this shit? We're never going to know what truly happened, but that doesn't even matter! Stephano's personal life isn't any of our fucking business, and without some solid evidence of him doing anything there's really no point in arguing. He got punished, lesson learned, end of fucking story!
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On October 15 2012 07:42 epicdemic wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 07:18 gh0st wrote:On October 15 2012 06:24 epicdemic wrote:On October 15 2012 06:20 babylon wrote:On October 15 2012 06:16 epicdemic wrote:On October 15 2012 05:34 mtn wrote:
All of you miss a point. You talk if its rape this rape that. The thing is that if its fucking right. Grown up man ( 19yo ) doin anything with 14 yo kid, that barely has gotten into puberty is sick. There is no need for it to be a name in a law to actually know that its disgusting.
Someone posted earlier that it's normal and nothin unnsual for 19 y.o to do sexy time with 14 year old kid. Man what the fuck. Where u guys were growing up. It's huge difference when u are still somewhat young, and 5 years is a HUGE difference. If Stephano was 29 and this girl 24, then ofc no problem. But this? You guys are fuckin sick.
Also now he is trying to turn this into a joke. U can clearly see that this wasnt a joke when u look on the chat and his friends reaction when he actually was serious. I don't think that's sick. 14 year old girls are well into their puberty. Look at "Rebecca Black" for example. It has less to do with puberty and much more to do with emotional/mental development. I do agree with the previous poster who states there are some incredibly mature 14/15/16 year olds (albeit rare) and some very undeveloped 20+ year olds, but the law has to draw a line somewhere. Puberty is directly related to emotional and mental development. That's exactly my point. A relationship is not the same as equivalence. You're basically saying: "If there's grass on the pitch, let's play ball" (in a slightly more artful way). There are many post-pubescent kids who lack the requisite mental capacity to manifest consent, and some pre-pubescent kids who might possess said capacity... Moreover, I'd argue most kids in the throes of puberty (i.e. ages roughly 13-17) are in many ways incapacitated because of all the hormones in their systems. So, no, puberty is not a good way to establish consent. In a perfect world, we would treat these stat. rape cases on a case-by-case basis and determine whether the minor could manifest consent, but it's not a perfect world. We don't have the time and resources to make such determinations. So, we draw an arbitrary line in the sand. I fail to see how hormones can not be a reason of consent.
Huh? Is there a consent hormone?
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On October 15 2012 07:49 vesicular wrote:
This entire thread is the reason why esports won't ever become mainstream.
Well it'll be like this until there's a disconnect between the community and the players. SC2 players and tournament organizers are part of the community, which is actually a bad thing in some respects. For one, streaming creates a bit of an eggshell environment and creates and over saturation of content. Two, players and organizers are WAY too emotionally connected with the community. You can't go two minutes in any stream without people mentioning chat, and you can't go a few weeks without an SC2 personality hitting the tipping point and creating drama because of community trolls.
Mainstream sports obviously have governing sanctioning bodies with rules and regulations. Their players don't check what people are saying about them daily, and they have salaries. KESPA kind of does a good job, though it clearly has a lot of negative aspects. To get mainstream, I think some kind of sanctioning body would need to exist universally or regionally with some player salaries. That and some kind of way to disconnect people from the community.
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On October 15 2012 07:18 gh0st wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 06:24 epicdemic wrote:On October 15 2012 06:20 babylon wrote:On October 15 2012 06:16 epicdemic wrote:On October 15 2012 05:34 mtn wrote:
All of you miss a point. You talk if its rape this rape that. The thing is that if its fucking right. Grown up man ( 19yo ) doin anything with 14 yo kid, that barely has gotten into puberty is sick. There is no need for it to be a name in a law to actually know that its disgusting.
Someone posted earlier that it's normal and nothin unnsual for 19 y.o to do sexy time with 14 year old kid. Man what the fuck. Where u guys were growing up. It's huge difference when u are still somewhat young, and 5 years is a HUGE difference. If Stephano was 29 and this girl 24, then ofc no problem. But this? You guys are fuckin sick.
Also now he is trying to turn this into a joke. U can clearly see that this wasnt a joke when u look on the chat and his friends reaction when he actually was serious. I don't think that's sick. 14 year old girls are well into their puberty. Look at "Rebecca Black" for example. It has less to do with puberty and much more to do with emotional/mental development. I do agree with the previous poster who states there are some incredibly mature 14/15/16 year olds (albeit rare) and some very undeveloped 20+ year olds, but the law has to draw a line somewhere. Puberty is directly related to emotional and mental development. That's exactly my point. A relationship is not the same as equivalence. You're basically saying: "If there's grass on the pitch, let's play ball" (in a slightly more artful way). There are many post-pubescent kids who lack the requisite mental capacity to manifest consent, and some pre-pubescent kids who might possess said capacity... Moreover, I'd argue most kids in the throes of puberty (i.e. ages roughly 13-17) are in many ways incapacitated because of all the hormones in their systems. So, no, puberty is not a good way to establish consent. In a perfect world, we would treat these stat. rape cases on a case-by-case basis and determine whether the minor could manifest consent, but it's not a perfect world. We don't have the time and resources to make such determinations. So, we draw an arbitrary line in the sand.
Zzz this is the same argument present in many other threads that have been locked because of it. The only thing I will say, though: Plenty of 18-year olds are still too stupid to have sex responsibly, and the age of consent is a completely arbitrary number, proven by the fact that every country/state has a different idea of what it should be. There are plenty of regions where 14 is legal (some in the USA), so are you going to stand there and tell us that all of those places are hotbeds of immorality?
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On October 15 2012 07:44 RaelSan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 06:40 testthewest wrote:On October 15 2012 05:30 CV-Mackh wrote:On October 15 2012 05:23 ElephantBaby wrote:On October 15 2012 05:17 CV-Mackh wrote:Guys, we know as a fact that it was a JOKE. It was inappropriate, so it was sanctioned. no need for a 120 pages debate on the word abused from a french guy . And yeah we all fucking agree : rape is bad, pedostuff is bad ... we got your point guys. Waving your arms in the air yelling about a joke isn't gonna help your ladder points,plus you Americans need to practice to reach the Europeans level  We don't know as a fact it was a joke. Even if it was, suspension is very well deserved, defending him against suspension is silly, defending him against rape is justified. If it wasn't a joke ........ Both Bling and Stephano confirmed it was a private joke, And read my post again, you might find out that I am not defending anything just saying that the 120+ page debate on the subject is ridiculous. Now I shall let you go on for hours about how bad rape is, this is a point that obviously needs to be made, we Europeans are totally unaware of such basic moral and should be reminded of it for another hundred pages... Stop saying "Europeans" when you mean "French". Europeans are very different between each other and their morals. And even more: Such foul language from him is no wonder. Coming from an arab background, girls are trash for him, we know. Furthermore, stop saying we can't discuss it here. TL was giving away beta keys for anybody, that has 500+ posts. So don't be silly, and contribute here! 1 point Godwin ! Congratz
How are people agreeing with this guy?
"Coming from an arab background, girls are trash for him, we know."
Speak for yourself please. "Arab" background is so vague and there are thousands of different cultures and mindsets within that "group".
Making blanket statements about any PERSON/GROUP/THING, just shows your mental immaturity. Please, travel, meet new people, maybe it will open your mind.
Peace to all.
On subject: I am not against any free speech in any way, but if you are a part of a team, a public face, you should be careful. Same as in any other pro-sports. Joe Schmoe can say what he wants but Kobe cannot, because he represents a company/team. The suspension is fair IMO
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On October 15 2012 08:18 DreamShake wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 07:44 RaelSan wrote:On October 15 2012 06:40 testthewest wrote:On October 15 2012 05:30 CV-Mackh wrote:On October 15 2012 05:23 ElephantBaby wrote:On October 15 2012 05:17 CV-Mackh wrote:Guys, we know as a fact that it was a JOKE. It was inappropriate, so it was sanctioned. no need for a 120 pages debate on the word abused from a french guy . And yeah we all fucking agree : rape is bad, pedostuff is bad ... we got your point guys. Waving your arms in the air yelling about a joke isn't gonna help your ladder points,plus you Americans need to practice to reach the Europeans level We don't know as a fact it was a joke. Even if it was, suspension is very well deserved, defending him against suspension is silly, defending him against rape is justified. If it wasn't a joke ........ Both Bling and Stephano confirmed it was a private joke, And read my post again, you might find out that I am not defending anything just saying that the 120+ page debate on the subject is ridiculous. Now I shall let you go on for hours about how bad rape is, this is a point that obviously needs to be made, we Europeans are totally unaware of such basic moral and should be reminded of it for another hundred pages... Stop saying "Europeans" when you mean "French". Europeans are very different between each other and their morals. And even more: Such foul language from him is no wonder. Coming from an arab background, girls are trash for him, we know. Furthermore, stop saying we can't discuss it here. TL was giving away beta keys for anybody, that has 500+ posts. So don't be silly, and contribute here! 1 point Godwin ! Congratz How are people agreeing with this guy? "Coming from an arab background, girls are trash for him, we know." Speak for yourself please. "Arab" background is so vague and there are thousands of different cultures and mindsets within that "group". Making blanket statements about any PERSON/GROUP/THING, just shows your mental immaturity. Please, travel, meet new people, maybe it will open your mind. Peace to all. On subject: I am not against any free speech in any way, but if you are a part of a team, a public face, you should be careful. Same as in any other pro-sports. Joe Schmoe can say what he wants but Kobe cannot, because he represents a company/team. The suspension is fair IMO
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
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Lol well said Stephano, the daring comedian of SC2, he should be congratulated for highlighting the extreme thoughts that a paedophile has to deal with, who need help by the way.
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On October 15 2012 08:22 meatbox wrote:
Lol well said Stephano, the daring comedian of SC2, he should be congratulated for highlighting the extreme thoughts that a paedophile has to deal with, who need help by the way.
Hebeophil, if anything.
Don't confuse psychopathologies with crimes.
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On October 15 2012 08:42 RageBot wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 08:22 meatbox wrote:
Lol well said Stephano, the daring comedian of SC2, he should be congratulated for highlighting the extreme thoughts that a paedophile has to deal with, who need help by the way. Hebeophil, if anything. Don't confuse psychopathologies with crimes.
You know what I mean, these people need love and attention instead of punishment.
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On October 15 2012 08:46 meatbox wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 08:42 RageBot wrote:On October 15 2012 08:22 meatbox wrote:
Lol well said Stephano, the daring comedian of SC2, he should be congratulated for highlighting the extreme thoughts that a paedophile has to deal with, who need help by the way. Hebeophil, if anything. Don't confuse psychopathologies with crimes. You know what I mean, these people need love and attention instead of punishment.
Don't even try 
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On October 15 2012 08:50 MountainDewJunkie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 08:46 meatbox wrote:On October 15 2012 08:42 RageBot wrote:On October 15 2012 08:22 meatbox wrote:
Lol well said Stephano, the daring comedian of SC2, he should be congratulated for highlighting the extreme thoughts that a paedophile has to deal with, who need help by the way. Hebeophil, if anything. Don't confuse psychopathologies with crimes. You know what I mean, these people need love and attention instead of punishment. Don't even try
Point is Stephano doesn't deserve being treated this way. 
He did nothing wrong, just some dark humour.
This is a great joke, tell me if you like it. 
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^ Haha, that was a good one. Dark humor isn't for everyone though.
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I dunno bout which country he is in but in my country "abusing a 14 yo" is statutory rape...
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On October 15 2012 07:49 vesicular wrote:
This entire thread is the reason why esports won't ever become mainstream.
Not sure in what way you're making that statement, but from my own view, I totally agree.
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On October 15 2012 08:55 meatbox wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 08:50 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On October 15 2012 08:46 meatbox wrote:On October 15 2012 08:42 RageBot wrote:On October 15 2012 08:22 meatbox wrote:
Lol well said Stephano, the daring comedian of SC2, he should be congratulated for highlighting the extreme thoughts that a paedophile has to deal with, who need help by the way. Hebeophil, if anything. Don't confuse psychopathologies with crimes. You know what I mean, these people need love and attention instead of punishment. Don't even try Point is Stephano doesn't deserve being treated this way. He did nothing wrong, just some dark humour. This is a great joke, tell me if you like it. + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QOIRuc6sZU
What a horrible sense of humor some people have... I mean how is joking about having sex with children funny at all? I just don't see what's funny about that.
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On October 15 2012 08:55 meatbox wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 08:50 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On October 15 2012 08:46 meatbox wrote:On October 15 2012 08:42 RageBot wrote:On October 15 2012 08:22 meatbox wrote:
Lol well said Stephano, the daring comedian of SC2, he should be congratulated for highlighting the extreme thoughts that a paedophile has to deal with, who need help by the way. Hebeophil, if anything. Don't confuse psychopathologies with crimes. You know what I mean, these people need love and attention instead of punishment. Don't even try Point is Stephano doesn't deserve being treated this way. He did nothing wrong, just some dark humour. This is a great joke, tell me if you like it. + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QOIRuc6sZU
Once again linking a comedian.
People are really desperate here if they compare Stephano with a Comedian who does this stuff for a living.
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All joking aside.. this isnt funny.. not to mention the first part seems like it happened... Then after he laughed, the second part turned into a joke. If I was EG, he would be gone and if its true, he should be locked up.
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We can't let the oppressors win!
Stephano is the only foreigner hope (well there's Naniwa but I prefer a hero who is more socially "neurotypical").
All he did was make a joke about some underage girl. Anyone who isn't a butthurt politically correct feminazi wouldn't have been offended. But damn, some people had to just go and ruin it for the rest of us.
Looking forward into the future, it is imperative that we cannot let the oppressors win. Stephano may not be the hero we deserve, but by the grace of Kerrigan he is one we need right now.
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