EPTSons of Starcraft. UPDATED Oct 9/14 - Page 13
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Is a creator legally obligated to fulfill the promises of their project? Yes. Kickstarter's Terms of Use require creators to fulfill all rewards of their project or refund any backer whose reward they do not or cannot fulfill. (This is what creators see before they launch.) We crafted these terms to create a legal requirement for creators to follow through on their projects, and to give backers a recourse if they don't. We hope that backers will consider using this provision only in cases where they feel that a creator has not made a good faith effort to complete the project and fulfill. I don't know too much about this project and not like i care, but it's up to you. | ||
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Penguinator
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Whatson
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On September 01 2013 23:26 krazykoz wrote: I don't know what the truth is with Alejos at the moment, hence the speculation. All the community has to go on is the trailer released roughly 10 months ago (about the time the entire project was slated to be finished), an interview given about 8 months ago, and a couple twitter updates stating he is filming in Korea roughly 6 months ago. For someone who has said "I wanted to be like, Alright, well, keep them interested, show them what they paid for, be as open as possible." it isn't an extraordinary request to ask for monthly updates regarding the project. Also just noticed, but his initial response to that question, he laughs as he says "Because the starcraft community was so nice to fund this film" *chuckle*. So is he in on the joke? If he isn't going to update the community (his investors) on what is going on, it isn't surprising the community will start coming up with their own versions of what is going on. A reason why this has gone so long overdue is probably due to the fact Alejos has no communication with the community on where this is at, thus he isn't being held accountable to keep proceeding forward. Tell me, what was your last account banned for? | ||
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Nekemancer
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tshi
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On September 02 2013 01:43 BigFan wrote: required ~18k, got 40k+ according to the website. LOL! Well shit. I wonder if ppl are gonna be likely to donate again after something like this. | ||
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TeslasPigeon
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On September 02 2013 03:05 Nekemancer wrote: Frankly, I mainly just wanted the Tastosis autographed poster. Helping the documentary out was a nice side bonus. Pretty bummed that there's not even been communication on that front either. You're telling me you never even got your post either? LOL, someone needs to get sued for fraud. | ||
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farvacola
United States18838 Posts
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On September 02 2013 03:39 TeslasPigeon wrote: You're telling me you never even got your post either? LOL, someone needs to get sued for fraud. oh boy here we go... Do the people suggesting this even realize that lawsuits actually cost money? (and not a small amount either...) Or do you live in some happy world where you can just sue people like that, willy nilly? | ||
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TeslasPigeon
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On September 02 2013 03:48 MasterOfPuppets wrote: oh boy here we go... Do the people suggesting this even realize that lawsuits actually cost money? (and not a small amount either...) Or do you live in some happy world where you can just sue people like that, willy nilly? I didn't back the project, but you shouldn't be allowed to take $40k without any repercussions. Depending on backers jurisdictions there are many state courts that allow financial restitution for forms of economic fraud. It doesn't cost a lot of money when many States in the US have institutions dealing with this exact thing. There is also the ability to do chargebacks, depending on the payment method, the creator can face major fines from financial institutions. If this person has failed to fulfill any of the obligations/tiers in the kickstarter, he needs to be punished. You can't hide under the esports banner when you break the law. edit: also forgot to add, depending on jurisdiction this can easily be done for very little money in certain small claims courts. | ||
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krazykoz
United States58 Posts
On September 02 2013 00:28 unkkz wrote: So your theory is that the faces of Starcraft, tastosis, would support to conn the community out of 40k dollars. So what's your take on 9/11? Inside job? And the people you are accusing have been in the community for ten years while you've had a TL account for six months. And you can live somewhere temporarily, and it wouldn't even matter if he did move to Korea, he doesn't have to be in the states to edit the film. Your theory doesn't hold a drop of water unless he completely lied about his credentials or something. I don't know what's going on with the documentary, nor does anyone else outside of Alejos and his circle of friends. Thus, there is speculation based on what little he has said to the community. I certainly hope I am flat out wrong and that the documentary does get released at some point. It is just extremely unfortunate that he can't spend 5 minutes a month making a video talking to his backers at Kickstarter, the people who gave him this great opportunity to do something he loves. He claimed he wanted to be open in the process of making it, but he has been far from that since his initial release date has passed. On September 02 2013 02:50 Doodsmack wrote: Tell me, what was your last account banned for? I am not sure what this question has to do with the documentary, which is the topic of this thread. Please PM me if you have any personal questions for me. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On September 02 2013 04:26 krazykoz wrote: I don't know what's going on with the documentary, nor does anyone else outside of Alejos and his circle of friends. Thus, there is speculation based on what little he has said to the community. I certainly hope I am flat out wrong and that the documentary does get released at some point. It is just extremely unfortunate that he can't spend 5 minutes a month making a video talking to his backers at Kickstarter, the people who gave him this great opportunity to do something he loves. He claimed he wanted to be open in the process of making it, but he has been far from that since his initial release date has passed. I am not sure what this question has to do with the documentary, which is the topic of this thread. Please PM me if you have any personal questions for me. "We don't know much therefore it's reasonable to make up conclusions." | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
On September 02 2013 03:48 MasterOfPuppets wrote: oh boy here we go... Do the people suggesting this even realize that lawsuits actually cost money? (and not a small amount either...) Or do you live in some happy world where you can just sue people like that, willy nilly? Actually, in civil court in the US, you can sue people, as you say, "willy nilly". Whether or not your lawsuit has merit may be adjudicated at some point (varies depending on jurisdiction - in a case like this, almost certainly going to be Federal due to diversity of parties) however it is STILL going to be very expensive as either the Plaintiff or Defendant. This is the fear that copyright/patent/trademark/etc trolls operate on - they send you a very threatening letter demanding that you do something (such as remove content or settle for an amount just less than an effective defense may cost) prior to even filing a suit. Because of the costs involved in ongoing litigation, this can have a chilling effect on speech and push people towards settling even if they could very easily win their case on the facts. Because the facts don't matter - they can't afford the cost of defending in a civil case. (IANAL. However, visit Popehat.com, search for Prenda Law, and read some legal blogs by lawyers and you'll see that this is a serious concern.) + Show Spoiler + I have no input on the actual documentary. Would be cool if it comes out, but I didn't kickstart it. The film crew may be running into difficulties in editing or production, having spent unwisely. But we don't know. An update would be nice. | ||
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On September 02 2013 04:38 felisconcolori wrote: Actually, in civil court in the US, you can sue people, as you say, "willy nilly". Whether or not your lawsuit has merit may be adjudicated at some point (varies depending on jurisdiction - in a case like this, almost certainly going to be Federal due to diversity of parties) however it is STILL going to be very expensive as either the Plaintiff or Defendant. This is the fear that copyright/patent/trademark/etc trolls operate on - they send you a very threatening letter demanding that you do something (such as remove content or settle for an amount just less than an effective defense may cost) prior to even filing a suit. Because of the costs involved in ongoing litigation, this can have a chilling effect on speech and push people towards settling even if they could very easily win their case on the facts. Because the facts don't matter - they can't afford the cost of defending in a civil case. (IANAL. However, visit Popehat.com, search for Prenda Law, and read some legal blogs by lawyers and you'll see that this is a serious concern.) + Show Spoiler + I have no input on the actual documentary. Would be cool if it comes out, but I didn't kickstart it. The film crew may be running into difficulties in editing or production, having spent unwisely. But we don't know. An update would be nice. That's what I was getting at, actually, that a situation like this is small fish and you'll most likely still lose quite a bit of money even if you sue and win the case. On September 02 2013 04:41 UmberBane wrote: The people of Starcraft versus Tastosis, the casting Archon? Lol not sure why you'd imply THEY are responsible for this... | ||
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