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On October 06 2012 02:15 Antylamon wrote:
We haven't seen TLO at any big tournaments in a while :O
Gogogo!
last dreamhack? :D
anyway, GOGO TLO! <3 <3 <3
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On October 06 2012 02:13 Badfatpanda wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 01:41 Bumblebee wrote:On October 06 2012 01:21 Rescawen wrote:On October 06 2012 01:11 Bumblebee wrote:On October 06 2012 01:06 Rescawen wrote:On October 06 2012 01:01 Bumblebee wrote:On October 06 2012 00:59 Rescawen wrote:On October 06 2012 00:48 Bumblebee wrote:On October 06 2012 00:24 TheSir wrote:On October 06 2012 00:21 Mackus wrote:
DeathAngel, really Dreamhack?
I mean, really? Why don't you invite Spades while you're at it? Invite? really? It's a open and DeathAngel can enter if he wants to, DH has no legal rights to deny DeathAngel from entering. Yes they can. DeathAngel has no special rights to enter. You can deny anyone access if you please. On top of that DeathAngel has been involved in cheating/fraud, wahtever you wanna call it. Of course they have reason to deny him access. calling it cheating is really serious and over the line. He is just trying to make some money to live for the passion of the game. It is so difficult for him to get noticed. I think there is big difference for what he did and what spades did for example. I do respect DH for not banning him and giving him another chance. Cheating and smurfing is fundamentally different. So many people level accs and so many ppl troll lower leagues, should they be punished too? Just because stephano and taeja seem to earning money doesnt mean anyone else is getting a cent. It's not over the line. It's something people get very very big fines for if it reaches a certain level and can get jailed for as well. It's very simple, it's fraud. Well if you argue this way then our community is sexist for letting these women get extra attention due to the attention they get. I personally am of the opinion that is it just fine, but I have a friend/s who think it is absolutely unfair as well. Foreigners getting seeds in GSL is racist then? Correct if I am wrong. I think what he did is obviously wrong, but the point I am trying to make is what damage did he do? Compared to maphackers that simply taking money that they have not worked for. Did DA hurt anyone personally, sure I met talked and played him on bn and he probably isnt the friendliest guy, but he had a solid reason which is money. In my opinion something like this can only be allowed once, he does not deserve to eternally banned like for example spades. He is also simply taking money from other people? He takes viewers away from other people by having her acknowledged for something she isn't. He is also taking away customers from real coaches who actually knows the game rather than her who cheated her way to being accepted. Also your other arguments is a completely different story and has no relation to what we're arguing here. I can understand why people don'tlike direct seeds into GSL and stuff, but it has nothing to do with this. Your points are valid. I tried to bring up unfairness that clearly exists in our ecosystem at the moment, I can understand that as a competitor or upncoming/trying to go pro players are really upset due to someone getting more attention due to their sex and I think arguing whether these unfairnesses are justified is a really tricky topic. DA plays the smallest role in this dispute since he is only playing, the majority of the problem roots from veralynn and the way this community views female gamers. Nobody would care if DA smurfed as another guy. I believe he should not be punished but not banned from these events. I really dislike the fact that people say he should kicked out completely from the community as something like that would be too severe. What do you think would be fair for his punishment and how do you justified it relatively to cheating. Assuming cheating would be something that deserves to get banned from the community forever. Ok so, I'm managing Team Liquid and is very closely tied with players - inside and outside of the game. I have a lot of insights on different topics around the game and could give an advise two to people coming up. But I'm just a mid to high masters player and I can't provide the professional insight into the game as a player can and without being extremely good at StarCraft, I would not be a relevant coach or accepted by the communities. So what I do is I get TaeJa to stream as me and play some tournaments as me to make some results and get me known as a very good player too. I start doing coaching and earn bucks from that, same goes for streaming. Do you think if t his happened that I would be able to keep my job? Do you think people would not care if it happened? I really they would And 5 showmatches =D
4 Showmatches and 1 Sjowmatch
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Go TLO! Show them some special strategies
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Gooo inCa, Top & Jookto! and ofcourse Retje & TLO!
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lol, all I see from this list is a ZvP finals.
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This thread has been strange to read. It's weird to me that people would defend fraud.
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Im missing players from mYm... 
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On October 05 2012 23:19 Mise wrote:
I guess a team picked up Inca, TOP, JookTo and Vines if they actually show up.
thinking the same thing. would be cool to see a group of oGs players together on a team. maybe mTw reuniting them with supernova? xD
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On October 06 2012 02:20 trekala wrote:
I wish ppl would talk about deathangel-veralynn in the dedicated thread....
I for one am very exited about this event and will definitely attend. All this talk about the fraud incident is bringing a negative vibe to the tournament when it actualy has nothing to do with Dreamhack.
on topic, I was hoping Sea would attend. Could have been a good tournament for him to start in sc2.
Nothing to do with Dreamhack? Except for everything involving the fact that a player who committed fraud was invited to the tournament.
If you're going to defend your countryman at least have reasoning that stands on its own...
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Looking forward to this. Last time a tournament included mostly foreigners it turned out incredibly good. Hoping for the same here.
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On October 06 2012 02:34 renaissanceMAN wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 02:20 trekala wrote:
I wish ppl would talk about deathangel-veralynn in the dedicated thread....
I for one am very exited about this event and will definitely attend. All this talk about the fraud incident is bringing a negative vibe to the tournament when it actualy has nothing to do with Dreamhack.
on topic, I was hoping Sea would attend. Could have been a good tournament for him to start in sc2. Nothing to do with Dreamhack? Except for everything involving the fact that a player who committed fraud was invited to the tournament. If you're going to defend your countryman at least have reasoning that stands on its own...
He was not invited, it is an open tournament with first 64 guys, who sign up, being able to play. Dreamhack does´nt invite players.
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Italy12246 Posts
OMG gogo oGs players!!! I wonder who picked them up...
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stephano v stc final. you heard it here first
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hearing Kellin Quinn on GSL makes me so happy
also LETS GO ex oGs!!
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On October 06 2012 02:00 Rescawen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 01:41 Bumblebee wrote:On October 06 2012 01:21 Rescawen wrote:On October 06 2012 01:11 Bumblebee wrote:On October 06 2012 01:06 Rescawen wrote:On October 06 2012 01:01 Bumblebee wrote:On October 06 2012 00:59 Rescawen wrote:On October 06 2012 00:48 Bumblebee wrote:On October 06 2012 00:24 TheSir wrote:On October 06 2012 00:21 Mackus wrote:
DeathAngel, really Dreamhack?
I mean, really? Why don't you invite Spades while you're at it? Invite? really? It's a open and DeathAngel can enter if he wants to, DH has no legal rights to deny DeathAngel from entering. Yes they can. DeathAngel has no special rights to enter. You can deny anyone access if you please. On top of that DeathAngel has been involved in cheating/fraud, wahtever you wanna call it. Of course they have reason to deny him access. calling it cheating is really serious and over the line. He is just trying to make some money to live for the passion of the game. It is so difficult for him to get noticed. I think there is big difference for what he did and what spades did for example. I do respect DH for not banning him and giving him another chance. Cheating and smurfing is fundamentally different. So many people level accs and so many ppl troll lower leagues, should they be punished too? Just because stephano and taeja seem to earning money doesnt mean anyone else is getting a cent. It's not over the line. It's something people get very very big fines for if it reaches a certain level and can get jailed for as well. It's very simple, it's fraud. Well if you argue this way then our community is sexist for letting these women get extra attention due to the attention they get. I personally am of the opinion that is it just fine, but I have a friend/s who think it is absolutely unfair as well. Foreigners getting seeds in GSL is racist then? Correct if I am wrong. I think what he did is obviously wrong, but the point I am trying to make is what damage did he do? Compared to maphackers that simply taking money that they have not worked for. Did DA hurt anyone personally, sure I met talked and played him on bn and he probably isnt the friendliest guy, but he had a solid reason which is money. In my opinion something like this can only be allowed once, he does not deserve to eternally banned like for example spades. He is also simply taking money from other people? He takes viewers away from other people by having her acknowledged for something she isn't. He is also taking away customers from real coaches who actually knows the game rather than her who cheated her way to being accepted. Also your other arguments is a completely different story and has no relation to what we're arguing here. I can understand why people don'tlike direct seeds into GSL and stuff, but it has nothing to do with this. Your points are valid. I tried to bring up unfairness that clearly exists in our ecosystem at the moment, I can understand that as a competitor or upncoming/trying to go pro players are really upset due to someone getting more attention due to their sex and I think arguing whether these unfairnesses are justified is a really tricky topic. DA plays the smallest role in this dispute since he is only playing, the majority of the problem roots from veralynn and the way this community views female gamers. Nobody would care if DA smurfed as another guy. I believe he should not be punished but not banned from these events. I really dislike the fact that people say he should kicked out completely from the community as something like that would be too severe. What do you think would be fair for his punishment and how do you justified it relatively to cheating. Assuming cheating would be something that deserves to get banned from the community forever. Ok so, I'm managing Team Liquid and is very closely tied with players - inside and outside of the game. I have a lot of insights on different topics around the game and could give an advise two to people coming up. But I'm just a mid to high masters player and I can't provide the professional insight into the game as a player can and without being extremely good at StarCraft, I would not be a relevant coach or accepted by the communities. So what I do is I get TaeJa to stream as me and play some tournaments as me to make some results and get me known as a very good player too. I start doing coaching and earn bucks from that, same goes for streaming. Do you think if t his happened that I would be able to keep my job? Do you think people would not care if it happened? I really they would As I pointed out your point is valid and are you implying DA should get fired from his job or banned from sc2 for life? off-topic: Are you also saying that your higher on ladder than apollo as random? Mid high masters is like 800p in the current ladder. Also I sat next to taeja in DH i could easily bust you cauz i know his english isnt very gosu :D
He should be banned from SC2 indefinitely as Savior was. Such incidents only go aginst growing our loved esport. What should sponsors think when they couldn't be even sure if this online tourney or that online qualifier was played by the player who signed up?
It's definitely not OK to cheat and commit fraud and he should be banned from events like these if for nothing else than serving as example that this behavior won't be tolerated and so people will think twice before trying that again (just like crimes in RL).
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^Jnd are you actually comparing the match fixing that savior did in an official tournament with fake nicking in showmatches?
On October 06 2012 02:33 CuteZergling wrote:
This thread has been strange to read. It's weird to me that people would defend fraud.
no one has the authority to actually do something to DeathAngel for his shenanigans, he will be in all EU tournaments in the future as well. I suppose kennygyt gave him a permaban on the forum but that's pretty much it
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Go Ancestor!
Go FeverClan!
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On October 06 2012 02:34 Kergy wrote:
Where is forGG ;_;
Already qualified for DH Winter (as well as Ret and Stephano though).
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EPT
