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On September 28 2012 16:05 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 10:49 Wuster wrote:On September 28 2012 10:29 Doubting wrote:
Does this include Code A and GSTL? I don't think Squirtle has played that many Code S games It includes Code A, not sure about GSTL. You can tell because players like Ryung and Byun have only been in about 4 Code S seasons each and are still on this list. Leenock himself was in Code A for 6 months. But that list really makes MVP, MKP, MC's win-rates look quite impressive; since they *still* top it despite rarely dropping out of Code S and being there since the open seasons. Byun has been in like 7 Code S seasons and has been a GSL regular ever since open season 2, not sure where you're getting 4 seasons from >_>
I suppose I got it from only considering his pre-suspension resume:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ByuN/Results - 4 GSL seasons in Code S until 2012 when he came back from suspension.
Looking at this, I also forgot how streaky he was. Code A runner-up -> back down to Code A; Ro4 Code S -> Back to Code A; Ro4 Code S -> out in Ro32...
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France9034 Posts
Each time I see this kind of statistics, I would like to try an experiment, so things are settled...
What would be the stats if MVP, MMA, Polt, Taeja, MKP, etc. played Z or P, and if Nestea, July, Leenock and DRG played T ?
Would we have the same but with Z and t swapped, or not ... ?
I really wonder if GomTvT was due to skill, or to balance, or even to both... Can't get this figured out in my mind...
(NB: If it appears to be balance, fine, because we have a rather balanced GSL season so far in terms of races distribution).
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I don't think it's balance, I'd rather call it meta.
It's similiar like zerg currently have an advantage, and it was the same before. You also have to consider koreans in SC2 are really inclined to play terrans, probably because of so many terran legends from BW.
It's also why terran is performing alright currently, even though majority of people would consider protoss/zerg stronger in Korea at the moment. There's just a lot of really good terrans.
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On September 28 2012 17:15 vthree wrote:MKP is #2. Where he truly belongs!!!
well played, sir!
Also: we see a lot of relicts from the GOMTvT era. Todays distribution with 2-3-3 with 2 P for RO8 is ok i guess.
I really wonder if GomTvT was due to skill, or to balance, or even to both... Can't get this figured out in my mind...
Well it may be interesting for balance issues to know exactly what went wrong but I'd say it's quite save to say that both the maps and the early balance favoured T.
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MKP 2nd even here! Curse!
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Russian Federation367 Posts
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On September 29 2012 01:02 EU.Pink wrote:
MKP 2nd even here! Curse!
EG cursing the whole scene and hurting E-sports? :p
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drg has half of mvp's games, which means his win ratio, despite being the same, is half as impressive. King MVP wins everything, as always.
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United States97276 Posts
On September 28 2012 23:39 Ragnarork wrote:
Each time I see this kind of statistics, I would like to try an experiment, so things are settled...
What would be the stats if MVP, MMA, Polt, Taeja, MKP, etc. played Z or P, and if Nestea, July, Leenock and DRG played T ?
Would we have the same but with Z and t swapped, or not ... ?
I really wonder if GomTvT was due to skill, or to balance, or even to both... Can't get this figured out in my mind...
(NB: If it appears to be balance, fine, because we have a rather balanced GSL season so far in terms of races distribution).
Mvp is very strong in all 3 races getting top 20 KR GM as random before his wrists exploded. Whenever MKP gets eliminated from GSL he all ins everyone on the ladder for like a day or two as protoss. I think most of the people at the top would be pretty good as every race. Mvp is known to have beaten a lot of top players as zerg including MKP and Bomber back when Bomber was still code S. There is also an interview with MKP somewhere on TL where he claimed to be able equal with all 3 races but chose terran as his main race because "it looks the coolest"
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Where dat snitch at?37103 Posts
On September 28 2012 22:28 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
Dunno why Leenock is getting such praise... He also has a below 60% winrecord vs DRG's 64%. I would rank leenock and DRG at an even stead, not below or above eachother and Nestea? Well Nestea is always above average but he just doesn't shine like he usto.
It's done by # of wins. Not percentage
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my poor little Protoss heart is dropping tears right now 
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France9034 Posts
On September 29 2012 01:20 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 23:39 Ragnarork wrote:
Each time I see this kind of statistics, I would like to try an experiment, so things are settled...
What would be the stats if MVP, MMA, Polt, Taeja, MKP, etc. played Z or P, and if Nestea, July, Leenock and DRG played T ?
Would we have the same but with Z and t swapped, or not ... ?
I really wonder if GomTvT was due to skill, or to balance, or even to both... Can't get this figured out in my mind...
(NB: If it appears to be balance, fine, because we have a rather balanced GSL season so far in terms of races distribution). Mvp is very strong in all 3 races getting top 20 KR GM as random before his wrists exploded. Whenever MKP gets eliminated from GSL he all ins everyone on the ladder for like a day or two as protoss. I think most of the people at the top would be pretty good as every race. Mvp is known to have beaten a lot of top players as zerg including MKP and Bomber back when Bomber was still code S. There is also an interview with MKP somewhere on TL where he claimed to be able equal with all 3 races but chose terran as his main race because "it looks the coolest"
Then it could be a strong argument against "imbalanced race", but rather "imbalanced skill distribution in races".
Then, that's a few example that show it's actually possible, but that can't be used to generalize.
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And then you look at the ELO ranking as well as how certain players have been performing in the last few months, scratch your head and go "Koreans *shrug*"
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63.5% overall in GSL with >200 games is just ridiculous :O
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On September 28 2012 13:24 Taidanii wrote:
Yeah, to be honest I don't understand why this is listed by total wins. It should be listed by percentage, as that's the actual indicator of prestige. DRG being at the very top in this scenario. Percentage identifies the spread of wins and loses. For instance, according to this, someone in the GSL with 200 wins and 250 loses would be at the top. That's a tad ridiculous, but it would be the case if the stat existed.
Except for the fact that a higher number of games implies that the player has played well enough to consistently make it into the later rounds of tournaments, which also indicates that the player is more likely to have faced tougher opposition.
What's more impressive, a 90% ratio if you're only playing sub 50% players, or a 60% ratio if you're playing the best there is? I'd rather have the 60%.
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On September 29 2012 08:55 Dionyseus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 13:24 Taidanii wrote:
Yeah, to be honest I don't understand why this is listed by total wins. It should be listed by percentage, as that's the actual indicator of prestige. DRG being at the very top in this scenario. Percentage identifies the spread of wins and loses. For instance, according to this, someone in the GSL with 200 wins and 250 loses would be at the top. That's a tad ridiculous, but it would be the case if the stat existed. Except for the fact that a higher number of games implies that the player has played well enough to consistently make it into the later rounds of tournaments, which also indicates that the player is more likely to have faced tougher opposition. What's more impressive, a 90% ratio if you're only playing sub 50% players, or a 60% ratio if you're playing the best there is? I'd rather have the 60%.
i'd rather have the 90% and people going 'oh shit, DAT %tage WINRATE!'
not that i'd have 90% winrate even against platinum players...
off-topic, there's always up-and-comers in the GSL leagues and if you've ever watched hunterxhunter,
being that 90% player would mean you're that rookie slayer!
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would be interesting to see a statistic for just 2012, can anyone calculate that ?
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I think the Leenock stats are pretty misleading, if you just took match victories of just CODE S it would be completely different. Leenocks victories probably mostly come from up and downs, and Code A.. Not saying Leenock isn't good, just saying its pretty misleading.
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Australia54784 Posts
actually, leenock has been in eight code s seasons so far, including the last six in a row...
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