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soiii
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany266 Posts
September 25 2012 01:32 GMT
#661
On September 25 2012 06:37 Poopi wrote:
Does anyone know which level she really was?
I mean if she was coaching with only mid/high master knowledge people would start to notice she is in fact not GM level?

I was wondering that too. Maybe some people who got coached by her can be find.

I also hope that DeathAngels reputation is burned. We don't need people who do such shady stuff.
Skim
Profile Joined September 2012
22 Posts
September 25 2012 01:33 GMT
#662
Wow, what a fraud! Rice stepping up like a baller GG veralynn no re for you ...
"It´s all mental"
Spankey McSpank
Profile Joined August 2011
United States58 Posts
September 25 2012 01:34 GMT
#663
Kawaiirice, you are a bawss, new nickname, Sherlock Holmes indeed. Thanks for sticking to your guts and investigating something you thought needed a deeper look into!
mirreille
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2 Posts
September 25 2012 01:37 GMT
#664
Wow, really great work on the investigation Kawaii and co! D:

although I think this vod would've been enough http://twitch.tv/verax13/b/319555969

don't forget to bring popcorn! :D
emc
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3088 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 01:37:41
September 25 2012 01:37 GMT
#665
seriously, who cares?

oh right. popcorn.
britneysbeers
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom22 Posts
September 25 2012 01:38 GMT
#666
On September 25 2012 08:34 FLuE wrote:
So I might be remembering this wrong, but I remember watching the show recently with her and sheth on Chans show.

Sheth was looking at some of her game replays and going over them and I thought I heard her say a few times comments along the lines of "ya I'm not sure why I did that" or basically forgetting what she was thinking. Now I remember at the time just feeling like the whole thing was just all around a bit off.

This could totally be a revisionist way of thinking about it, but curious to go back and watch through the VOD now and listen to comments and reaction about her play considering.



I think you are right I remember watching the show and she didn't seem to have any real answers to the points Sheth was making as to why she did particular things during the game.
Corrosive
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3741 Posts
September 25 2012 01:39 GMT
#667
On September 25 2012 10:37 emc wrote:
seriously, who cares?

oh right. popcorn.

she won showmatches and did coaching

illegitimately

for money

use your brain for a second
Maruprime.
daz
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Canada643 Posts
September 25 2012 01:40 GMT
#668
On September 25 2012 10:05 ch33psh33p wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 10:01 Zerius[TPR] wrote:
OP is a MASSIVE nerd.


You are massively mad. And pretty embarrassing.


I disagree I think that he brought up a valid point. Also zia anybody?
Some eat to remember, some smash to forget. 2009msl.com
GT350
Profile Joined May 2012
United States270 Posts
September 25 2012 01:41 GMT
#669
On September 25 2012 05:15 Xacez wrote:
Ok guys we are now done with the TargA - iNcontroL drama, this is the next one. Christ, never a day huh?

What happened in the Targa - incontrol drama? i missed it. Link?
CodeskyE
Profile Joined January 2011
United States777 Posts
September 25 2012 01:43 GMT
#670
On September 25 2012 10:26 CapnAmerica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 10:23 SniXSniPe wrote:
On September 25 2012 10:16 Jerubaal wrote:
Who was that girl a while back who made her bf level her account to mastesr/GM?


Kalu I think?


IIRC Kalu is/was actually a high masters-level player, though she was close with Major and... ST_Rainbow? Not sure, been a while since I saw that name. But she's actually pretty sick good.


lol...
Skim
Profile Joined September 2012
22 Posts
September 25 2012 01:43 GMT
#671
For all the people saying " ooo look another drama" well this has its bases on facts, and the facts are that she made money illegitimately. Are we just going to let it happen?
"It´s all mental"
Angry.Zerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico305 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 01:47:50
September 25 2012 01:45 GMT
#672
On September 25 2012 10:32 soiii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 06:37 Poopi wrote:
Does anyone know which level she really was?
I mean if she was coaching with only mid/high master knowledge people would start to notice she is in fact not GM level?

I was wondering that too. Maybe some people who got coached by her can be find.

I also hope that DeathAngels reputation is burned. We don't need people who do such shady stuff.


I watched one of her first casts. She was coaching a silver guy or something like that. She was telling him about his mechanics, when he missed a larvae inject, creep spread, supply and very basic stuff any silver person would be able to follow.

I remember I asked something about a timing (Immortal/sentry all-in or something like that) in ZvP, my question was ignored and a little disapointed (since we were like 10 guys in the chat) I switched to watch something else.

The funny thing I remember is... she was really secure about what she was telling, it would be hard to notice that actually she had no idea since she never talked about a strat (just basic mechanics).
You play to win
DeathAngel[ro]
Profile Joined December 2009
Romania79 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 02:02:53
September 25 2012 01:49 GMT
#673
Hello everyone
This is DeathAngel

1st : hats of to KawaiiRice , very smart and observant guy and nice job in
studying all the stuff , remember playing you on both accounts on ladder , you
being fateofseven on EU server

2nd : yea.. I'm a scumbag and I played on other ppl accounts , I also play on
some smurfs too not only on my nick , just to try different strategies etc.

3rd : I am very sorry to everyone affected by this , I basically played on
someone's else account , make it into GM .. wich seems ok , like a smurf for me..

but the effects were very bad it seems
I am very sorry for this , but I played legit starcraft , not map hackign or

something .. I am interested in the competitive aspect of the game.. and I never
got the chance to play in any showmatch on my own.. never got invited.. was
amazed when I found out that there are so many ppl interested to see a girl
play.. so I accepted to play.. wich is bad.. I am such a scumbag.. I should just
refuse it..

I also hurt some ppl it seems , I just wanted to play some good
matches of sc2 in wich seemed a friendly showmatch ..
I just wanted to see if I am skilled enough to beat someone good in a showmatch .

What can I say.. I shouldn't done that.. I would also feel bad if someone would

come pretending to be someone else and beating me.. feels bad , but I had no

interest in scamming someone or put them to get coaching from veralynn.
I just played on her account as a smurf of mine , and now I feel kind of dumb

hearing ppl paid coaching lessons.. I thought there was only free coaching cause

I would see free coaching all the time when I was looking at her stream , I am

pretty sure there must be some misunderstanding regarding this.

Feel sorry ppl were so naive , but that must be a lesson also , why would you

take lessons from a girl just because she is gm , and also , don't you see that

the coaching is not GM level ? or maybe the coaching was good and deserved the

money.. I have no ideea and I feel very sorry if the things were like this.

I should also play only my own account from now on , I am not interested in

scamming ppl for money or other stuff like that.. I am a legit player and I can

play and win showmatches against those players on my own , also I can coach on my

own and give good coaching and good advices , what I did was stupid and didn't

benefit me in any way .

I really feel sorry , I just wanted to play some good games , my intentions were

good.. but.. stuff happens.. such a sick life..
I trully feel very sorry for the guys that were upset to have lost to a ,,girl''

, you guys actually lost to me .

Also very sorry for my english.
It's 5am and I am tired.

I am kind of a guy that sold a gun to a random guy on the street then realising the crime

PS . Never trust women , they are evil.

a very funny zerg player
Enzymatic
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1301 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 01:55:38
September 25 2012 01:51 GMT
#674
On September 25 2012 10:49 DeathAngel[ro] wrote:
Hello everyone
This is DeathAngel

1st : hats of to KawaiiRice , very smart and observant guy and nice job in
studying all the stuff , remember playing you on both accounts on ladder , you
being fateofseven on EU server

2nd : yea.. I'm a scumbag and I played on other ppl accounts , I also play on
some smurfs too not only on my nick , just to try different strategies etc.

3rd : I am very sorry to everyone affected by this , I basically played on
someone's else account , make it into GM .. wich seems ok , like a smurf for me..

but the effects were very bad it seems
I am very sorry for this , but I played legit starcraft , not map hackign or

something .. I am interested in the competitive aspect of the game.. and I never
got the chance to play in any showmatch on my own.. never got invited.. was
amazed when I found out that there are so many ppl interested to see a girl
play.. so I accepted to play.. wich is bad.. I am such a scumbag.. I should just
refuse it..

I also hurt some ppl it seems , I just wanted to play some good
matches of sc2 in wich seemed a friendly showmatch ..
I just wanted to see if I am skilled enough to beat someone good in a showmatch .

What can I say.. I shouldn't done that.. I would also feel bad if someone would

come pretending to be someone else and beating me.. feels bad , but I had no

interest in scamming someone or put them to get coaching from veralynn.
I just played on her account as a smurf of mine , and now I feel kind of dumb

hearing ppl paid coaching lessons.. I thought there was only free coaching cause

I would see free coaching all the time when I was looking at her stream , I am

pretty sure there must be some misunderstanding regarding this.

Feel sorry ppl were so naive , but that must be a lesson also , why would you

take lessons from a girl just because she is gm , and also , don't you see that

the coaching is not GM level ? or maybe the coaching was good and deserved the

money.. I have no ideea and I feel very sorry if the things were like this.

I should also play only my own account from now on , I am not interested in

scamming ppl for money or other stuff like that.. I am a legit player and I can

play and win showmatches against those players on my own , also I can coach on my

own and give good coaching and good advices , what I did was stupid and didn't

benefit me in any way .

I really feel sorry , I just wanted to play some good games , my intentions were

good.. but.. stuff happens.. such a sick life..
I trully feel very sorry for the guys that were upset to have lost to a ,,girl''

, you guys actually lost to me .

Also very sorry for my english.
It's 5am and I am tired.

I am kind of a guy that sold a gun to a random guy on the street then realising the crime

PS . Never thrust women , they are evil.



Thought her coaching was "Free"?? I'm calling bs. You could have very well been receiving a hand in of the coaching profit for helping her make a name for herself. I'm seeing a lot of playing stupid coming from your post.
"Who hired this awful fountain gunner? He can't hit shit." - Yiss
lethal111
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada460 Posts
September 25 2012 01:52 GMT
#675
Who is death angel.... I read this whole thing and Ive been on this site since Sc2 beta and I have no clue or forgot who death angel was
Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
September 25 2012 01:53 GMT
#676
good stuff KR, well done!

we had a similar incident in the SEA scene recently, too.

always warms my heart to see filth like her get cleaned up!
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
September 25 2012 01:54 GMT
#677
Well, thats one less fraud in this community.

Nice work, Kawaii.
Angry.Zerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico305 Posts
September 25 2012 01:55 GMT
#678
On September 25 2012 10:49 DeathAngel[ro] wrote:
Hello everyone
This is DeathAngel

1st : hats of to KawaiiRice , very smart and observant guy and nice job in
studying all the stuff , remember playing you on both accounts on ladder , you
being fateofseven on EU server

2nd : yea.. I'm a scumbag and I played on other ppl accounts , I also play on
some smurfs too not only on my nick , just to try different strategies etc.

3rd : I am very sorry to everyone affected by this , I basically played on
someone's else account , make it into GM .. wich seems ok , like a smurf for me..

but the effects were very bad it seems
I am very sorry for this , but I played legit starcraft , not map hackign or

something .. I am interested in the competitive aspect of the game.. and I never
got the chance to play in any showmatch on my own.. never got invited.. was
amazed when I found out that there are so many ppl interested to see a girl
play.. so I accepted to play.. wich is bad.. I am such a scumbag.. I should just
refuse it..

I also hurt some ppl it seems , I just wanted to play some good
matches of sc2 in wich seemed a friendly showmatch ..
I just wanted to see if I am skilled enough to beat someone good in a showmatch .

What can I say.. I shouldn't done that.. I would also feel bad if someone would

come pretending to be someone else and beating me.. feels bad , but I had no

interest in scamming someone or put them to get coaching from veralynn.
I just played on her account as a smurf of mine , and now I feel kind of dumb

hearing ppl paid coaching lessons.. I thought there was only free coaching cause

I would see free coaching all the time when I was looking at her stream , I am

pretty sure there must be some misunderstanding regarding this.

Feel sorry ppl were so naive , but that must be a lesson also , why would you

take lessons from a girl just because she is gm , and also , don't you see that

the coaching is not GM level ? or maybe the coaching was good and deserved the

money.. I have no ideea and I feel very sorry if the things were like this.

I should also play only my own account from now on , I am not interested in

scamming ppl for money or other stuff like that.. I am a legit player and I can

play and win showmatches against those players on my own , also I can coach on my

own and give good coaching and good advices , what I did was stupid and didn't

benefit me in any way .

I really feel sorry , I just wanted to play some good games , my intentions were

good.. but.. stuff happens.. such a sick life..
I trully feel very sorry for the guys that were upset to have lost to a ,,girl''

, you guys actually lost to me .

Also very sorry for my english.
It's 5am and I am tired.

I am kind of a guy that sold a gun to a random guy on the street then realising the crime

PS . Never thrust women , they are evil.



Oh well, it seems this should be removed too:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Veralynn
You play to win
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
September 25 2012 01:55 GMT
#679
Wooo DeathAngel!

Major props for congratulating Kawaii, no sarcasm at all!(SERIOUSLY)
FOR GREAT JUSTICE! Bans for the ban gods!
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
September 25 2012 01:55 GMT
#680
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/Weroe/bw/gretnkawaii.jpg

photo shop this please omg
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
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