VeraLynn; GM fraud - Page 32

On September 25 2012 05:29 ZAiNs wrote:
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On September 25 2012 09:14 Ansinjunger wrote:
So when will the community shun leveling services? I realize that's the "lesser" evil here, but are we happy simply drawing a line in the sand saying, "you can deceive yourselves and de-legitimize the ladder, but not for money?" It would be nice if the ladder was a more reliable resource, and of course, it would be nice if Blizzard could do more about cheating.

I feel that if power-leveling is not shunned, it will create tempting situations leading to what happened here, and I consider power-leveling dishonest enough on its own anyway.

On the other hand, I have only faraway hopes that esports will grow and become any more of a "shining example" than any other mainstream sports, and I doubt that ancient sports history (pre '70s, let's say) was perfectly free of cheating and the like.

As to the starving or underpaid pros and semi-pros, I don't see that changing just because you wish it, or because teams and businesses stop giving preferential treatment to girls. For one, professional sports are very top-heavy, and I expect esports to grow into similar top-heaviness--not that you won't see relative improvements at lower levels, hopefully including a more livable salary.

More importantly, women theoretically bring additional attention and growth to the scene, and will ultimately benefit you even if they take away opportunity in the short-term. And what's also important to these businesses is their growth, not yours. I'll be happy if they can at least grow ethically without any Ministry of Win dramas rewarded in kittens.

On September 25 2012 09:11 thurst0n wrote:

I had to post because this is just wrong. I can understand if you feel a certain way but seriously your logical brain should override this. The gender of the person in question means nothing. The only relevance her gender has is that it gave her more natural exposure. 1) she's a girl, guys dominate the scene and are typically interested in girls. 2)she's a girl, did I say that already? But her being a girl and doing this is NOT a statement about how women are in anyway inferior when it comes to esports. Women simply don't care and don't put in the time (this is a generalization) but it's true as there are far fewer females in our community.

You act as though you understand that these are stereotypes and they are wrong, yet you seem to act as though this is evidence of the stereotypes. Perhaps I misread your meaning. Until you said that this doesn't help the female community, I never once thought about that. It never crossed my mind. The only way it effects the female community in my eyes, is that there is now one less of them. But this doesn't hurt my views of the rest of the females in the community, the same way that DeathAngels actions do not effect my view of every male in the community.

Just had to get that out. If you don't make it about gender then it's not about gender. This is about fraud.

My question to everyone is, will anyone try to take legal action against this fraud? She clearly misrepresented her qualifications for services that she was selling. That's fraud and against the law. The tournaments cannot be happy if they paid her winnings when she didn't rightfully win. That's cheating/fraud and it's against the law.

I'm no lawyer but these seem like common sense. I'm sure that it's just small claims court, not sure how it works in europe/romania. I would take this dog and pony show to court on principal if the jurisdiction was there.

Bonus Question: Who is the dog and who is the pony? Death angel/vera??

Bonus Question #2: How can we get google to return "Did you mean DeathAngel" when you do a search for veralynnsc2

On September 25 2012 09:31 KawaiiRice wrote:

Someone mentioned they bought one of her 12 lesson packages for $100, but I don't know the rates.

At SixPoolGaming we don't offer coaching services; we offer training videos, tutorials and the like for a low monthly subscription fee (and you get access to every coach's videos for this fee). The only thing SPG contributed for her coaching credibility was their name, which I doubt affected the decisions of her students (I could be wrong?). Even if someone subscribed to SPG for Vera's videos specifically I am sure the rest of the content on the site is adequate for them.
Vera did however advertise her coaching through a listing on z33k.com.

On September 25 2012 09:53 Freezd wrote:
I've been Veralynn's fan for 4+ months now. I tuned in to her streams 3 or 4 times per week when I could, and made her a Liquipedia page since I thought she had great potential to be ranked in the top 10 females in the world. I was skeptical of this accusation but once I noticed that she deleted her twitchtv channel, her twitter, and archive, dissapeared without an apology/defense, I was sure she was a fraud. Although, I think everyone deserves second chances if they come clean.

What was the point of this? Did she plan this at all? Firstly, you could not get on to a team or go to any LAN tournaments. You could do online tournaments but those max at $250 per week, which you can't survive on. You could also try to get some low tier sponsors. You could also try to build a twitch fan base but eventually people would become suspicious about not joining a team/going to a LAN. I see no incentives to do this at all.

This turns out to be a typical witch hunt but I really hope sponsors don't pull away from z33k.tv because of one bad apple - their entire list of casters were great.