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So I typically don't like to comment on any "drama", but I feel like I should say a few things here since I was one of the folks duped by her recently.
First off, big thanks to KawaiiRice, desRow, and others for spending the time and presenting the evidence in a solid manner. I know for a fact that KR wanted to make sure he did this right so spent extra time on this before releasing anything so kudos for his diligence.
All of this is obviously disappointing from the standpoint of someone deceiving the SC2 community and organizations to the extent that Veralynn did. It boggles my mind someone would go to that length and not think it would eventually catch up to her. There was obviously money that Im not sure will ever be recovered from the events, but also a lot of time and effort that is totally wasted by players, teams, orgs, etc. that were helping her out which is the biggest shame.
Also I agree with the folks that some of the blame should fall on DeathAngel also. For our industry to be taken seriously from a professional standpoint, we can't have folks with this "trolling" mentality when it comes to events and real organizations. I cringe just thinking what would have happened it a big sponsor just turned away from eSports because of something like this.
But I won't go into it any more than that since I think it's really worth but leave it with the hope that this doesn't set back images of players (particularly female players) in the scene.
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Nice job detective KawaiiRice and pals!
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TIL you can dodge warnings from TL mods by hiding your nonsense in spoilers.
Also, SMH at Veralynn and that Romanian scrub. Assholes.
Huge shoutout to Kawaii, desRow, and everyone else who was involved in uncovering this. You, my friends, are not killing esports.
Desrow the panda detective!<3
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How much money could she have possibly obtained illegitimately? It looks like less than 1,000 USD, which if you divide by how much time and energy was put into this facade it makes you wonder why anyone would do this at all.
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On September 25 2012 09:15 ChanmanV wrote:
So I typically don't like to comment on any "drama", but I feel like I should say a few things here since I was one of the folks duped by her recently.
First off, big thanks to KawaiiRice, desRow, and others for spending the time and presenting the evidence in a solid manner. I know for a fact that KR wanted to make sure he did this right so spent extra time on this before releasing anything so kudos for his diligence.
All of this is obviously disappointing from the standpoint of someone deceiving the SC2 community and organizations to the extent that Veralynn did. It boggles my mind someone would go to that length and not think it would eventually catch up to her. There was obviously money that Im not sure will ever be recovered from the events, but also a lot of time and effort that is totally wasted by players, teams, orgs, etc. that were helping her out which is the biggest shame.
Also I agree with the folks that some of the blame should fall on DeathAngel also. For our industry to be taken seriously from a professional standpoint, we can't have folks with this "trolling" mentality when it comes to events and real organizations. I cringe just thinking what would have happened it a big sponsor just turned away from eSports because of something like this.
But I won't go into it any more than that since I think it's really worth but leave it with the hope that this doesn't set back images of players (particularly female players) in the scene.
Did you have the slightest hunch something was amiss with her when she was on the show?
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I doubt it, pretty sure she obtained more than $1000 usd due to her coaching etc. People only bought coaching from her because of her results (which happened to be a fraud)
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Deathangel should be banned from all tournaments under the organizations he played in masquerading as her. Totally disgraceful for a professional gamer.
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On September 25 2012 09:17 Klipsys wrote:
How much money could she have possibly obtained illegitimately? It looks like less than 1,000 USD, which if you divide by how much time and energy was put into this facade it makes you wonder why anyone would do this at all.
To help grow legitimate eSports? It is pretty obvious why someone would do this....
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On September 25 2012 09:19 Zoraque wrote:
I doubt it, pretty sure she obtained more than $1000 usd due to her coaching etc. People only bought coaching from her because of her results (which happened to be a fraud)
How much was she charging for her coaching? Anyone who bought time with her should try and get their money back via however they paid. I think 6pool gaming should try and compensate victims with something, since she was representing them while conducing this fraud
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Nodea Andrei @DeathAngelro
such a sick life
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On September 25 2012 09:21 Caliber wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 09:17 Klipsys wrote:
How much money could she have possibly obtained illegitimately? It looks like less than 1,000 USD, which if you divide by how much time and energy was put into this facade it makes you wonder why anyone would do this at all. To help grow legitimate eSports? It is pretty obvious why someone would do this....
You can make more money simply scamming people on ebay or CL. This is a deep, deep con that required a lot of work to keep up. It's not like the money was just rolling in, this was like a job she had to keep up with. Keeping a scam like this running for this long seems like a lot of work, just from a logistical standpoint of making sure you don't get found out. And she didn’t even do that, that well rofl
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On September 25 2012 09:24 Klipsys wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 09:21 Caliber wrote:On September 25 2012 09:17 Klipsys wrote:
How much money could she have possibly obtained illegitimately? It looks like less than 1,000 USD, which if you divide by how much time and energy was put into this facade it makes you wonder why anyone would do this at all. To help grow legitimate eSports? It is pretty obvious why someone would do this.... You can make more money simply scamming people on ebay or CL. This is a deep, deep con that required a lot of work to keep up. It's not like the money was just rolling in, this was like a job she had to keep up with. Keeping a scam like this running for this long seems like a lot of work, just from a logistical standpoint of making sure you don't get found out. And she didn’t even do that, that well rofl
Most likely it was not all about the money but also the attention and fame.
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On September 25 2012 09:24 Klipsys wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 09:21 Caliber wrote:On September 25 2012 09:17 Klipsys wrote:
How much money could she have possibly obtained illegitimately? It looks like less than 1,000 USD, which if you divide by how much time and energy was put into this facade it makes you wonder why anyone would do this at all. To help grow legitimate eSports? It is pretty obvious why someone would do this.... You can make more money simply scamming people on ebay or CL. This is a deep, deep con that required a lot of work to keep up. It's not like the money was just rolling in, this was like a job she had to keep up with. Keeping a scam like this running for this long seems like a lot of work, just from a logistical standpoint of making sure you don't get found out. And she didn’t even do that, that well rofl
oh man. I misunderstood his point. I thought he was wondering why Kawaii would bother making this post. Oops.
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On September 25 2012 09:07 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 09:05 mrtomjones wrote:On September 25 2012 09:00 turdburgler wrote:On September 25 2012 08:56 SeeKeR wrote:
Wait. What kind of a fraud is KawaiiRice saying she is? she was marketing herself as a coach through 6pg in an attempt to make money based on the idea that she was good at this game. I don't know anything about her, however, if what Kawaii said is true then wouldnt she have to be decent to stream as herself and have no one notice a blatant difference? But yes she apparently lied etc How about reading the OP? DeathAngel would stream for her while playing ladder games, when she was actually using her own stream she'd be analysing replays which is the only time she uses a webcam.
How about not being an asshole? What was the need for that? It is a long as heck OP and I read enough to get the gist of it. I wasn't defending anything. I wasn't being confrontational. I just put out a guess that she wasnt awful at the game. It is possible to correct people without being a jerk.
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On September 25 2012 09:25 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 09:24 Klipsys wrote:On September 25 2012 09:21 Caliber wrote:On September 25 2012 09:17 Klipsys wrote:
How much money could she have possibly obtained illegitimately? It looks like less than 1,000 USD, which if you divide by how much time and energy was put into this facade it makes you wonder why anyone would do this at all. To help grow legitimate eSports? It is pretty obvious why someone would do this.... You can make more money simply scamming people on ebay or CL. This is a deep, deep con that required a lot of work to keep up. It's not like the money was just rolling in, this was like a job she had to keep up with. Keeping a scam like this running for this long seems like a lot of work, just from a logistical standpoint of making sure you don't get found out. And she didn’t even do that, that well rofl Most likely it was not all about the money but also the attention and fame.
I would hope so, because as internet scams go this is pretty terrible ROI
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On September 25 2012 09:28 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 09:07 ZAiNs wrote:On September 25 2012 09:05 mrtomjones wrote:On September 25 2012 09:00 turdburgler wrote:On September 25 2012 08:56 SeeKeR wrote:
Wait. What kind of a fraud is KawaiiRice saying she is? she was marketing herself as a coach through 6pg in an attempt to make money based on the idea that she was good at this game. I don't know anything about her, however, if what Kawaii said is true then wouldnt she have to be decent to stream as herself and have no one notice a blatant difference? But yes she apparently lied etc How about reading the OP? DeathAngel would stream for her while playing ladder games, when she was actually using her own stream she'd be analysing replays which is the only time she uses a webcam. How about not being an asshole? What was the need for that? It is a long as heck OP and I read enough to get the gist of it. I wasn't defending anything. I wasn't being confrontational. I just put out a guess that she wasnt awful at the game. It is possible to correct people without being a jerk.
When someone makes a very long OP, and you post in the topic, it's the least of respect towards the person who took a good part of his time to do it, to read what he said.
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On September 25 2012 09:22 Klipsys wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 09:19 Zoraque wrote:
I doubt it, pretty sure she obtained more than $1000 usd due to her coaching etc. People only bought coaching from her because of her results (which happened to be a fraud) How much was she charging for her coaching? Anyone who bought time with her should try and get their money back via however they paid. I think 6pool gaming should try and compensate victims with something, since she was representing them while conducing this fraud
Someone mentioned they bought one of her 12 lesson packages for $100, but I don't know the rates.
At SixPoolGaming we don't offer coaching services; we offer training videos, tutorials and the like for a low monthly subscription fee (and you get access to every coach's videos for this fee). The only thing SPG contributed for her coaching credibility was their name, which I doubt affected the decisions of her students (I could be wrong?). Even if someone subscribed to SPG for Vera's videos specifically I am sure the rest of the content on the site is adequate for them.
Vera did however advertise her coaching through a listing on z33k.com.
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On September 25 2012 09:30 Rachnar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 09:28 mrtomjones wrote:On September 25 2012 09:07 ZAiNs wrote:On September 25 2012 09:05 mrtomjones wrote:On September 25 2012 09:00 turdburgler wrote:On September 25 2012 08:56 SeeKeR wrote:
Wait. What kind of a fraud is KawaiiRice saying she is? she was marketing herself as a coach through 6pg in an attempt to make money based on the idea that she was good at this game. I don't know anything about her, however, if what Kawaii said is true then wouldnt she have to be decent to stream as herself and have no one notice a blatant difference? But yes she apparently lied etc How about reading the OP? DeathAngel would stream for her while playing ladder games, when she was actually using her own stream she'd be analysing replays which is the only time she uses a webcam. How about not being an asshole? What was the need for that? It is a long as heck OP and I read enough to get the gist of it. I wasn't defending anything. I wasn't being confrontational. I just put out a guess that she wasnt awful at the game. It is possible to correct people without being a jerk. When someone makes a very long OP, and you post in the topic, it's the least of respect towards the person who took a good part of his time to do it, to read what he said.
Unfortunately I have other things to do but was still interested in posting. It is respectful to be polite to posters who are wrong also, especially when they arent being antagonistic. I read what I could. Meh. Ill go watch football.
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I just want to say that even with this, we should still support Z33ktv. I know I will :D
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Wow, this is honestly so pathetic. Congrats on uncovering and exposing this.
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