EPTVeraLynn; GM fraud - Page 30
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tsuxiit
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On September 25 2012 08:46 turdburgler wrote: its the required first step for anyone to defraud the community by selling coaching they cant deliver on, 3-4 times now i can remember (and im sure there must be more cases people dont talk about) 'coaches' have turned out to be people who pay a pro, to be fair normally some nameless korean(but like i said, everyone 'knows' other people do it too), to level an account to GM, and then to use this as the stepping stone to defraud as many people as they can. pros leveling accounts is opening the door to this behavior, which would be much harder without a large supply of people who need an income while they play the game before they make it big. i know its not the same, i just dont think deathangel has done anything worse than many other people, either in terms of 'cheating' or being a bit of a dick. being a bit of a dick is often a plus ;/ athene owned the account, sharing accounts is against the TOS unless you are a minor then your parent can be the account owner. Every Korean pro-gamer also shares accounts, guess they're all just a tad better than DeathAngel then! | ||
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etherealfall
Australia476 Posts
On September 25 2012 08:56 SeeKeR wrote: Wait. What kind of a fraud is KawaiiRice saying she is? The worst kind, the lying kind! | ||
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QTIP.
United States2113 Posts
Let this be notice to future SC2 scammers -- you're gonna get humiliated. Props to Krice. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On September 25 2012 08:56 SeeKeR wrote: Wait. What kind of a fraud is KawaiiRice saying she is? she was marketing herself as a coach through 6pg in an attempt to make money based on the idea that she was good at this game. | ||
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sour_eraser
Canada932 Posts
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Danzo
2820 Posts
 . Nice write up and surprising as well. Sad a potential female pro gamer could of made a splash in the scene. Really disappointing... | ||
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On September 25 2012 09:00 turdburgler wrote: she was marketing herself as a coach through 6pg in an attempt to make money based on the idea that she was good at this game. I don't know anything about her, however, if what Kawaii said is true then wouldnt she have to be decent to stream as herself and have no one notice a blatant difference? But yes she apparently lied etc User was warned for this post | ||
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leperphilliac
United States399 Posts
On September 25 2012 08:54 Violet915 wrote: Never expected this, she was once a good friend of mine too until fame stole her and she didn't really -talk- to me or many other people anymore. She did inspire me to start my own stream and take my SC2 seriously (Even if I am only a gold ladder female player) it's still fun more than it can be frustrating. How could you Vera? Ouch, that has gotta hurt a lot =(. Fame does that to people I suppose. Good luck with your stream. | ||
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Nimic
Norway1360 Posts
On September 25 2012 09:05 mrtomjones wrote: I don't know anything about her, however, if what Kawaii said is true then wouldnt she have to be decent to stream as herself and have no one notice a blatant difference? But yes she apparently lied etc Apparently she only streamed herself analyzing her own replays. When "she" streamed laddering, it was DeathAngel (or whoever). | ||
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
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D_K_night
Canada615 Posts
On September 25 2012 08:54 Violet915 wrote: Never expected this, she was once a good friend of mine too until fame stole her and she didn't really -talk- to me or many other people anymore. She did inspire me to start my own stream and take my SC2 seriously (Even if I am only a gold ladder female player) it's still fun more than it can be frustrating. How could you Vera? sigh, this is one of those instances where...the person's friendly enough at first, but then you suddenly never hear from them. mark of an opportunist - talk and be friendly just enough to get what you want, and then when you get where you need to be, you forget the people you left behind. -- Checked and indeed saw for myself that all of Vera's social media links no longer exist. This is appalling and depressing to see happen. It is very frustrating to see opportunists jump on the bandwagon, thinking they can make a quick buck and fool unsuspecting casters, hosts, players, and fans. Kawaii's evidence is spot-on. I feel terrible for the people who might have been coached by her, because now they'll probably be questioning themselves. The worst part about this is, if she simply focussed on mechanics and less on strategy, she could have easily just gotten away with everything seeming legit. Now it's a case of thinking back and wondering, how many of her statements were broad and sweeping, how many of them were just general tips, which could have been handed out by anyone who is acting "coach". The business plan seems to have absolutely worked. VeraLynn as the face and more marketable entity, DeathAngel as the person working in the background. Split the income, and it's all good. A huge part of this is, people do want to see more high-ranked females on the scene. She saw this, took full advantage of it, and people were played for fools. At least there are a number of consistent behaviours that we know from this point on, to be suspicious of: the constant dodging, the abrupt change of subject to steer the "friend" away from, the refusal to accept people's Real ID requests, the difference in overlay/presentation styles, the multiple computers "depending where I am". I do wonder if DeathAngel might change his name and continue to play SC2, as a new alias, a new fresh start. | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On September 25 2012 09:05 mrtomjones wrote: I don't know anything about her, however, if what Kawaii said is true then wouldnt she have to be decent to stream as herself and have no one notice a blatant difference? But yes she apparently lied etc How about reading the OP? DeathAngel would stream for her while playing ladder games, when she was actually using her own stream she'd be analysing replays which is the only time she uses a webcam. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On September 25 2012 09:05 mrtomjones wrote: I don't know anything about her, however, if what Kawaii said is true then wouldnt she have to be decent to stream as herself and have no one notice a blatant difference? But yes she apparently lied etc read ze op | ||
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thurst0n
United States611 Posts
On September 25 2012 05:49 StateofReverie wrote: Wow. They went through quite the effort to make a profit off of esports through unethical services...Unfortunately not everything added up which doesn't make the perfect crime I think it's more dissapointing that the person who was caught doing this is in fact a female. I think this supports the negative generalization/stereotype that women are inferior to men when it comes to esports. I am really cheering for the growth of the female community though and a matter like this certainly does NOT help matters I had to post because this is just wrong. I can understand if you feel a certain way but seriously your logical brain should override this. The gender of the person in question means nothing. The only relevance her gender has is that it gave her more natural exposure. 1) she's a girl, guys dominate the scene and are typically interested in girls. 2)she's a girl, did I say that already? But her being a girl and doing this is NOT a statement about how women are in anyway inferior when it comes to esports. Women simply don't care and don't put in the time (this is a generalization) but it's true as there are far fewer females in our community. You act as though you understand that these are stereotypes and they are wrong, yet you seem to act as though this is evidence of the stereotypes. Perhaps I misread your meaning. Until you said that this doesn't help the female community, I never once thought about that. It never crossed my mind. The only way it effects the female community in my eyes, is that there is now one less of them. But this doesn't hurt my views of the rest of the females in the community, the same way that DeathAngels actions do not effect my view of every male in the community. Just had to get that out. If you don't make it about gender then it's not about gender. This is about fraud. My question to everyone is, will anyone try to take legal action against this fraud? She clearly misrepresented her qualifications for services that she was selling. That's fraud and against the law. The tournaments cannot be happy if they paid her winnings when she didn't rightfully win. That's cheating/fraud and it's against the law. I'm no lawyer but these seem like common sense. I'm sure that it's just small claims court, not sure how it works in europe/romania. I would take this dog and pony show to court on principal if the jurisdiction was there. Bonus Question: Who is the dog and who is the pony? Death angel/vera?? Bonus Question #2: How can we get google to return "Did you mean DeathAngel" when you do a search for veralynnsc2 | ||
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E.L.V.I.S
Belgium458 Posts
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Cinquedea
Canada144 Posts
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LimeNade
United States2125 Posts
On September 25 2012 09:00 turdburgler wrote: she was marketing herself as a coach through 6pg in an attempt to make money based on the idea that she was good at this game. umm she did far worse then that, she participated in showmatches vs pro players under the pretext that shes a top tier EU GM player while having someone else she paid to play under her account in those matches. | ||
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KazmA
United States117 Posts
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Ansinjunger
United States2451 Posts
I feel that if power-leveling is not shunned, it will create tempting situations leading to what happened here, and I consider power-leveling dishonest enough on its own anyway. On the other hand, I have only faraway hopes that esports will grow and become any more of a "shining example" than any other mainstream sports, and I doubt that ancient sports history (pre '70s, let's say) was perfectly free of cheating and the like. As to the starving or underpaid pros and semi-pros, I don't see that changing just because you wish it, or because teams and businesses stop giving preferential treatment to girls. For one, professional sports are very top-heavy, and I expect esports to grow into similar top-heaviness--not that you won't see relative improvements at lower levels, hopefully including a more livable salary. More importantly, women theoretically bring additional attention and growth to the scene, and will ultimately benefit you even if they take away opportunity in the short-term. And what's also important to these businesses is their growth, not yours. I'll be happy if they can at least grow ethically without any Ministry of Win dramas rewarded in kittens. | ||
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