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tsuxiit
Profile Joined July 2010
1305 Posts
September 24 2012 23:57 GMT
#581
I've never even heard of this person. Excellent detective work though.
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
September 24 2012 23:57 GMT
#582
On September 25 2012 08:46 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 08:42 ragz_gt wrote:
On September 25 2012 08:40 turdburgler wrote:
On September 25 2012 08:33 brokeception wrote:
On September 25 2012 08:25 turdburgler wrote:
On September 25 2012 08:16 brokeception wrote:
On September 25 2012 08:13 turdburgler wrote:
On September 25 2012 07:49 Leru wrote:
On September 25 2012 07:45 ChosenSC2 wrote:
Any comments from Veralyn? I browsed this thread to see but didnt see anything.


Well I think she's going to use the ostrich strategy :D When things go bad, burry your head and pretend no one is seeing you As for DeathAngel, he'll be banned from any decent tournament!



why should he be?

when everyone knew kiwikaki was boosting athenes account (which although in a different method made money from this) everyone thought it was fun or didnt care. deathangel has done anything different. theres been murmurs since release that many pros are supplementing their income through boosting of accounts to different levels, deathangel isnt the first, wont be the last and isnt the only one doing it.


the difference is that kiwikaki is a chill guy and doesn't BM people better and more established than him. also, kiwikaki has notable achievements. deathangel deserves to be hated because he's an unknown player with no real achievements or hasn't ever beat anyone like stephano. kiwi deserves to be forgiven and not hated or judged by any means because he's kiwikaki, the mad scientist protoss and has actual achievements and is a known player.


so because kiwi was better at breaking the rules its ok?


do you know how the world works? the more known the person, the more they should be able to get away with things and be forgiven and overlooked. if they are just some random no name criminal like deathangel, then they should be punished severely.

for example, if stephano were to ladder for his friend or something and his friend coaches white boys for $100/hr, then stephano and his friend should be forgiven and nothing should happen to him, if say LzGamer does that, he should go to jail.


i fully understand that -_- and people cant help their biases. i just want people to think carefully about pitchforking deathangel because now that stephano is on EG the fact that a lot of 'pros' are leveling accounts is now back to number 1 on the list of worst kept secrets in esports


Leveling account is not exactly the same as "pretending to be another person on stream" or 'enter showmatch / tournament as another pereson"...

You might not like either, but that doesn't mean they are same.


its the required first step for anyone to defraud the community by selling coaching they cant deliver on, 3-4 times now i can remember (and im sure there must be more cases people dont talk about) 'coaches' have turned out to be people who pay a pro, to be fair normally some nameless korean(but like i said, everyone 'knows' other people do it too), to level an account to GM, and then to use this as the stepping stone to defraud as many people as they can. pros leveling accounts is opening the door to this behavior, which would be much harder without a large supply of people who need an income while they play the game before they make it big.

i know its not the same, i just dont think deathangel has done anything worse than many other people, either in terms of 'cheating' or being a bit of a dick. being a bit of a dick is often a plus ;/

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On September 25 2012 08:43 Pokebunny wrote:
On September 25 2012 08:38 Rachnar wrote:
On September 25 2012 08:25 turdburgler wrote:
On September 25 2012 08:16 brokeception wrote:
On September 25 2012 08:13 turdburgler wrote:
On September 25 2012 07:49 Leru wrote:
On September 25 2012 07:45 ChosenSC2 wrote:
Any comments from Veralyn? I browsed this thread to see but didnt see anything.


Well I think she's going to use the ostrich strategy :D When things go bad, burry your head and pretend no one is seeing you As for DeathAngel, he'll be banned from any decent tournament!



why should he be?

when everyone knew kiwikaki was boosting athenes account (which although in a different method made money from this) everyone thought it was fun or didnt care. deathangel has done anything different. theres been murmurs since release that many pros are supplementing their income through boosting of accounts to different levels, deathangel isnt the first, wont be the last and isnt the only one doing it.


the difference is that kiwikaki is a chill guy and doesn't BM people better and more established than him. also, kiwikaki has notable achievements. deathangel deserves to be hated because he's an unknown player with no real achievements or hasn't ever beat anyone like stephano. kiwi deserves to be forgiven and not hated or judged by any means because he's kiwikaki, the mad scientist protoss and has actual achievements and is a known player.


so because kiwi was better at breaking the rules its ok?


actually, it's rather beause he did for athene, who is a known epic troll, who you either love or , and it was done just for fun, nothing else

As far as I know, there's no rule against making an account name that isn't your own. Nobody can tell Kiwikaki he can't play on an account named AtheneWins. However, when it goes to using an entire identity that isn't your own across multiple platforms, then it becomes a little more serious.


athene owned the account, sharing accounts is against the TOS unless you are a minor then your parent can be the account owner.

Every Korean pro-gamer also shares accounts, guess they're all just a tad better than DeathAngel then!
etherealfall
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia476 Posts
September 24 2012 23:59 GMT
#583
On September 25 2012 08:56 SeeKeR wrote:
Wait. What kind of a fraud is KawaiiRice saying she is?


The worst kind, the lying kind!
QTIP.
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2113 Posts
September 25 2012 00:00 GMT
#584
This community is serious business man.... you don't just get your boytoy to play games for you then start charging people for lessons and providing "GM-level" replay analysis...

Let this be notice to future SC2 scammers -- you're gonna get humiliated.

Props to Krice.
"Trash Micro but Win. Its Marin." - Min Chul
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
September 25 2012 00:00 GMT
#585
On September 25 2012 08:56 SeeKeR wrote:
Wait. What kind of a fraud is KawaiiRice saying she is?


she was marketing herself as a coach through 6pg in an attempt to make money based on the idea that she was good at this game.
sour_eraser
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada932 Posts
September 25 2012 00:02 GMT
#586
Nice detective work. You certainly saved some people's hard earned monies
"What's the f*cking point of censoring a letter if everyone and their mother knows what it stands for.... F*cking morons"
Danzo
Profile Joined March 2011
2820 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 00:04:36
September 25 2012 00:03 GMT
#587
Damn I didn't realize krice is such the Sherlock Holmes . Nice write up and surprising as well. Sad a potential female pro gamer could of made a splash in the scene. Really disappointing...
Getting too old for this..
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
September 25 2012 00:05 GMT
#588
On September 25 2012 09:00 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 08:56 SeeKeR wrote:
Wait. What kind of a fraud is KawaiiRice saying she is?


she was marketing herself as a coach through 6pg in an attempt to make money based on the idea that she was good at this game.

I don't know anything about her, however, if what Kawaii said is true then wouldnt she have to be decent to stream as herself and have no one notice a blatant difference? But yes she apparently lied etc

User was warned for this post
leperphilliac
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States399 Posts
September 25 2012 00:06 GMT
#589
On September 25 2012 08:54 Violet915 wrote:
Never expected this, she was once a good friend of mine too until fame stole her and she didn't really -talk- to me or many other people anymore. She did inspire me to start my own stream and take my SC2 seriously (Even if I am only a gold ladder female player) it's still fun more than it can be frustrating. How could you Vera?



Ouch, that has gotta hurt a lot =(. Fame does that to people I suppose. Good luck with your stream.
Nimic
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway1360 Posts
September 25 2012 00:06 GMT
#590
On September 25 2012 09:05 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 09:00 turdburgler wrote:
On September 25 2012 08:56 SeeKeR wrote:
Wait. What kind of a fraud is KawaiiRice saying she is?


she was marketing herself as a coach through 6pg in an attempt to make money based on the idea that she was good at this game.

I don't know anything about her, however, if what Kawaii said is true then wouldnt she have to be decent to stream as herself and have no one notice a blatant difference? But yes she apparently lied etc


Apparently she only streamed herself analyzing her own replays. When "she" streamed laddering, it was DeathAngel (or whoever).
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
September 25 2012 00:06 GMT
#591
KawaiiRice is a gentleman and a scholar
D_K_night
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada615 Posts
September 25 2012 00:07 GMT
#592
On September 25 2012 08:54 Violet915 wrote:
Never expected this, she was once a good friend of mine too until fame stole her and she didn't really -talk- to me or many other people anymore. She did inspire me to start my own stream and take my SC2 seriously (Even if I am only a gold ladder female player) it's still fun more than it can be frustrating. How could you Vera?


sigh, this is one of those instances where...the person's friendly enough at first, but then you suddenly never hear from them. mark of an opportunist - talk and be friendly just enough to get what you want, and then when you get where you need to be, you forget the people you left behind.

--

Checked and indeed saw for myself that all of Vera's social media links no longer exist.

This is appalling and depressing to see happen. It is very frustrating to see opportunists jump on the bandwagon, thinking they can make a quick buck and fool unsuspecting casters, hosts, players, and fans. Kawaii's evidence is spot-on.

I feel terrible for the people who might have been coached by her, because now they'll probably be questioning themselves. The worst part about this is, if she simply focussed on mechanics and less on strategy, she could have easily just gotten away with everything seeming legit. Now it's a case of thinking back and wondering, how many of her statements were broad and sweeping, how many of them were just general tips, which could have been handed out by anyone who is acting "coach".

The business plan seems to have absolutely worked. VeraLynn as the face and more marketable entity, DeathAngel as the person working in the background. Split the income, and it's all good.

A huge part of this is, people do want to see more high-ranked females on the scene. She saw this, took full advantage of it, and people were played for fools. At least there are a number of consistent behaviours that we know from this point on, to be suspicious of: the constant dodging, the abrupt change of subject to steer the "friend" away from, the refusal to accept people's Real ID requests, the difference in overlay/presentation styles, the multiple computers "depending where I am".

I do wonder if DeathAngel might change his name and continue to play SC2, as a new alias, a new fresh start.
Canada
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
September 25 2012 00:07 GMT
#593
On September 25 2012 09:05 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 09:00 turdburgler wrote:
On September 25 2012 08:56 SeeKeR wrote:
Wait. What kind of a fraud is KawaiiRice saying she is?


she was marketing herself as a coach through 6pg in an attempt to make money based on the idea that she was good at this game.

I don't know anything about her, however, if what Kawaii said is true then wouldnt she have to be decent to stream as herself and have no one notice a blatant difference? But yes she apparently lied etc

How about reading the OP? DeathAngel would stream for her while playing ladder games, when she was actually using her own stream she'd be analysing replays which is the only time she uses a webcam.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
September 25 2012 00:08 GMT
#594
On September 25 2012 09:05 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 09:00 turdburgler wrote:
On September 25 2012 08:56 SeeKeR wrote:
Wait. What kind of a fraud is KawaiiRice saying she is?


she was marketing herself as a coach through 6pg in an attempt to make money based on the idea that she was good at this game.

I don't know anything about her, however, if what Kawaii said is true then wouldnt she have to be decent to stream as herself and have no one notice a blatant difference? But yes she apparently lied etc


read ze op
thurst0n
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States611 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 00:13:05
September 25 2012 00:11 GMT
#595
On September 25 2012 05:49 StateofReverie wrote:
Wow. They went through quite the effort to make a profit off of esports through unethical services...Unfortunately not everything added up which doesn't make the perfect crime

I think it's more dissapointing that the person who was caught doing this is in fact a female. I think this supports the negative generalization/stereotype that women are inferior to men when it comes to esports. I am really cheering for the growth of the female community though and a matter like this certainly does NOT help matters

I had to post because this is just wrong. I can understand if you feel a certain way but seriously your logical brain should override this. The gender of the person in question means nothing. The only relevance her gender has is that it gave her more natural exposure. 1) she's a girl, guys dominate the scene and are typically interested in girls. 2)she's a girl, did I say that already? But her being a girl and doing this is NOT a statement about how women are in anyway inferior when it comes to esports. Women simply don't care and don't put in the time (this is a generalization) but it's true as there are far fewer females in our community.

You act as though you understand that these are stereotypes and they are wrong, yet you seem to act as though this is evidence of the stereotypes. Perhaps I misread your meaning. Until you said that this doesn't help the female community, I never once thought about that. It never crossed my mind. The only way it effects the female community in my eyes, is that there is now one less of them. But this doesn't hurt my views of the rest of the females in the community, the same way that DeathAngels actions do not effect my view of every male in the community.

Just had to get that out. If you don't make it about gender then it's not about gender. This is about fraud.

My question to everyone is, will anyone try to take legal action against this fraud? She clearly misrepresented her qualifications for services that she was selling. That's fraud and against the law. The tournaments cannot be happy if they paid her winnings when she didn't rightfully win. That's cheating/fraud and it's against the law.

I'm no lawyer but these seem like common sense. I'm sure that it's just small claims court, not sure how it works in europe/romania. I would take this dog and pony show to court on principal if the jurisdiction was there.

Bonus Question: Who is the dog and who is the pony? Death angel/vera??

Bonus Question #2: How can we get google to return "Did you mean DeathAngel" when you do a search for veralynnsc2
P.S. I'm nub. If you'd like you can follow me @xthurst but its not worth it ill be honest
E.L.V.I.S
Profile Joined April 2011
Belgium458 Posts
September 25 2012 00:12 GMT
#596
well done man
http://twitch.tv/maggrig | @SC2ELVIS | http://www.facebook.com/sc2ELVIS
Cinquedea
Profile Joined July 2012
Canada144 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 00:41:41
September 25 2012 00:12 GMT
#597
You should be ashamed VeraLynn, if that's your real name.
Too strange to live, too rare to die.
LimeNade
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2125 Posts
September 25 2012 00:12 GMT
#598
On September 25 2012 09:00 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 08:56 SeeKeR wrote:
Wait. What kind of a fraud is KawaiiRice saying she is?


she was marketing herself as a coach through 6pg in an attempt to make money based on the idea that she was good at this game.


umm she did far worse then that, she participated in showmatches vs pro players under the pretext that shes a top tier EU GM player while having someone else she paid to play under her account in those matches.
JD, need I say more? :D
KazmA
Profile Joined August 2011
United States117 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 00:13:02
September 25 2012 00:12 GMT
#599
2012 never forget
"I intend to live forever, or die trying"- Groucho Marks
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
September 25 2012 00:14 GMT
#600
So when will the community shun leveling services? I realize that's the "lesser" evil here, but are we happy simply drawing a line in the sand saying, "you can deceive yourselves and de-legitimize the ladder, but not for money?" It would be nice if the ladder was a more reliable resource, and of course, it would be nice if Blizzard could do more about cheating.

I feel that if power-leveling is not shunned, it will create tempting situations leading to what happened here, and I consider power-leveling dishonest enough on its own anyway.

On the other hand, I have only faraway hopes that esports will grow and become any more of a "shining example" than any other mainstream sports, and I doubt that ancient sports history (pre '70s, let's say) was perfectly free of cheating and the like.

As to the starving or underpaid pros and semi-pros, I don't see that changing just because you wish it, or because teams and businesses stop giving preferential treatment to girls. For one, professional sports are very top-heavy, and I expect esports to grow into similar top-heaviness--not that you won't see relative improvements at lower levels, hopefully including a more livable salary.

More importantly, women theoretically bring additional attention and growth to the scene, and will ultimately benefit you even if they take away opportunity in the short-term. And what's also important to these businesses is their growth, not yours. I'll be happy if they can at least grow ethically without any Ministry of Win dramas rewarded in kittens.
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