The Format For the event, we’ve picked a tournament format that allows for thrilling games and epic battles. The 2012 World Championship Series Global Finals will feature a double elimination group stage and a single elimination playoff bracket. In the group stage, there will be eight groups with four players each. The seeding for the groups will be conditional, random selection. In order to ensure a variety of players in each group, a maximum of two players from the same continent can be in each group, and every group must have players from at least three continents. In order to achieve this group composition, we will be using the following method:
The first three players from each group will be drawn at random, but players will be redrawn if there has already been a player drawn from that continent for that group. For example, if there is a player from Asia in Group C and the third player drawn for Group C is also from Asia, there will be a redraw. When all eight groups have their first three players selected, the remaining player from each group will be drawn at random. This will ensure that there will be a maximum of two players from the same continent in one group and will ensure that there are no groups with players from only two continents.
In the group stage, the 4 players of each group are split into two pairs and will play each other in best of 3 matches. The order of players will be determined in the group selection draw. The first player drawn will be Player 1 and will play Player 2, who will be the second player drawn. Player 3 in the group will play Player 4. The winners of these two matches will then face each other in the Winner’s match. The victor places first in the group and will advance to the single elimination bracket. The losers of the initial matches will then face each other in the Loser’s match. The loser of that match places fourth in the group and will drop out of the tournament. The loser of the Winner’s match and the winner of the Loser’s match will face each other in a fifth match. The winner gets second place in the group and advances to the next round. The loser places third in the group and will drop out of the tournament. After the round of 32 is complete, the sixteen remaining players will be put in a single elimination bracket. Seeding will be determined by the group stage. The matches are best of 5 until the finals, which will be a best of 7. The winner of Group A will play the runner up in Group H in the first half of the bracket. The winner of Group H will play the runner up in Group A in the second half of the bracket. See below.
Additional details on the group selection and tournament prize pool will be announced soon. For more information about the 2012 StarCraft II World Championship Series Global Finals, head to the Battle.net World Championship site.
On September 11 2012 08:42 Iodem wrote: Looks sweet.
I'm curious how much money will be in the prize pool though. Will it be comparable to Valve's money dump into The International?
Poor every esports company ever, now any effort they make will be compared to Riot and Valve's incredible prize pools.
Seems like an okay format though, shades of MSL. Still not quite sure I understand why every tournament organizer is in love with formats that sound super complex when you try to explain them. Probably should be picture-only descriptions in the future.
Not expecting 1 000 000 (altough all together from all the qualifiers etc I guess it could hit that), but something around $100,000 for the 1st place would be pretty awesome to see!
On September 11 2012 08:42 Iodem wrote: Looks sweet.
I'm curious how much money will be in the prize pool though. Will it be comparable to Valve's money dump into The International?
Poor every esports company ever, now any effort they make will be compared to Riot and Valve's incredible prize pools.
Seems like an okay format though, shades of MSL. Still not quite sure I understand why every tournament organizer is in love with formats that sound super complex when you try to explain them. Probably should be picture-only descriptions in the future.
tbh this isn't complex at all. It's GSL-style double elim brackets followed by single elim ro16 bo5 with drawing that ensures as few continent team-kills as possible.
They managed to drag that out into several wordy paragraphs though
On September 11 2012 08:42 Iodem wrote: Looks sweet.
I'm curious how much money will be in the prize pool though. Will it be comparable to Valve's money dump into The International?
Poor every esports company ever, now any effort they make will be compared to Riot and Valve's incredible prize pools.
Seems like an okay format though, shades of MSL. Still not quite sure I understand why every tournament organizer is in love with formats that sound super complex when you try to explain them. Probably should be picture-only descriptions in the future.
Riot is making more money from in-game shops that blizzard ever made of Sc2 nad BW , i think its sound stupid , but MABY Riot in making more money from in-game shop that blizzard from WoW.
Same for Dota 2 game is in beta stage so they wanna promote IT BIG , to make more player come from LoL , and Dota 2 have in-game shop to..
We never gonna see that big prize money in sc2 , because there will be NO in-game shop. Its a shame because i love bw/sc2 more that any moba game ( love dota <3 ) , but its still biznes
On September 11 2012 08:42 Iodem wrote: Looks sweet.
I'm curious how much money will be in the prize pool though. Will it be comparable to Valve's money dump into The International?
Asia: $127,000 and all trips paid to WCS World Finals(9), and Asia Finals(32). Europe: $190,000 and all trips paid to WCS World Finals(9), and Europe Finals(32). North America: $120,000 and all trips paid to WCS World Finals(9), and North America Finals(32). Oceania: $30,000 and all trips paid to WCS World Finals(2), and Oceania Finals(8). South America: $45,000 and all trips paid to WCS World Finals (3) and South America Finals(16).
Total of $512,000 in prize pool, with the WCS World Finals prize pool still to be announced.
While not as large as Valve's $1.6 million, it's still nothing to laugh at.
On September 11 2012 08:42 Iodem wrote: Looks sweet.
I'm curious how much money will be in the prize pool though. Will it be comparable to Valve's money dump into The International?
Poor every esports company ever, now any effort they make will be compared to Riot and Valve's incredible prize pools.
Seems like an okay format though, shades of MSL. Still not quite sure I understand why every tournament organizer is in love with formats that sound super complex when you try to explain them. Probably should be picture-only descriptions in the future.
Riot is making more money from in-game shops that blizzard ever made of Sc2 nad BW , i think its sound stupid , but MABY Riot in making more money from in-game shop that blizzard from WoW.
Same for Dota 2 game is in beta stage so they wanna promote IT BIG , to make more player come from LoL , and Dota 2 have in-game shop to..
We never gonna see that big prize money in sc2 , because there will be NO in-game shop. Its a shame because i love bw/sc2 more that any moba game ( love dota <3 ) , but its still biznes
Riot is making more money from in-game shops that blizzard ever made of Sc2 nad BW , i think its sound stupid , but MABY Riot in making more money from in-game shop that blizzard from WoW.
Hah, no way man WoW is like THE gold mine (altough slowly running out of the resources...).
Whew. I thought they were going to do the crazy MLG format. Good look, Blizz.
Also important to note that League and DOTA2 are games that involve multiple people on the same team. From a raw money standpoint it looks like a lot, but per person its going to be roughly equal.
On September 11 2012 09:04 AKomrade wrote: Whew. I thought they were going to do the crazy MLG format. Good look, Blizz.
Also important to note that League and DOTA2 are games that involve multiple people on the same team. From a raw money standpoint it looks like a lot, but per person its going to be roughly equal.
One fifth of one million is still ten times as much as you can make from an MLG championship win..
On September 11 2012 08:42 Iodem wrote: Looks sweet.
I'm curious how much money will be in the prize pool though. Will it be comparable to Valve's money dump into The International?
Poor every esports company ever, now any effort they make will be compared to Riot and Valve's incredible prize pools.
Seems like an okay format though, shades of MSL. Still not quite sure I understand why every tournament organizer is in love with formats that sound super complex when you try to explain them. Probably should be picture-only descriptions in the future.
Riot is making more money from in-game shops that blizzard ever made of Sc2 nad BW , i think its sound stupid , but MABY Riot in making more money from in-game shop that blizzard from WoW.
If I'm not mistaken WoW made more money a month than most major companies entire ranges made in a year. With MOP coming out Blizzard are in for a windfall.
Basically GSL format, but instead of seeding into a Ro16 groupstage, they just go straight to a bracket. I thought their picture explanation was a little weird until I realized that it's just another way to represent how GSL groups work lol.
About the prize pool, I think anything less than a six-figure first prize will be extremely disappointing. Given how hyped up this has been, I would be pretty sad to hear "and the first prize of Worlds is $xx000". Even if it's "only" $100k, I think Blizzard would probably like the idea of hosting the richest single SC2 tournament ever to cap off the WCS, and that would be more than enough to clinch that.
Riot is making more money from in-game shops that blizzard ever made of Sc2 nad BW , i think its sound stupid , but MABY Riot in making more money from in-game shop that blizzard from WoW.
Hah, no way man WoW is like THE gold mine (altough slowly running out of the resources...).
On September 11 2012 08:42 Iodem wrote: Looks sweet.
I'm curious how much money will be in the prize pool though. Will it be comparable to Valve's money dump into The International?
Asia: $127,000 and all trips paid to WCS World Finals(9), and Asia Finals(32). Europe: $190,000 and all trips paid to WCS World Finals(9), and Europe Finals(32). North America: $120,000 and all trips paid to WCS World Finals(9), and North America Finals(32). Oceania: $30,000 and all trips paid to WCS World Finals(2), and Oceania Finals(8). South America: $45,000 and all trips paid to WCS World Finals (3) and South America Finals(16).
Total of $512,000 in prize pool, with the WCS World Finals prize pool still to be announced.
While not as large as Valve's $1.6 million, it's still nothing to laugh at.
The final prize pool is yet to be announced. Plus, this event is way more awesome than the International. Dota2 is doing a lot of small things that blizzard really needs to pick up on, but as far as WCS vs the International, WCS is leaps and bounds better executed and thought out.
On September 11 2012 08:42 Iodem wrote: Looks sweet.
I'm curious how much money will be in the prize pool though. Will it be comparable to Valve's money dump into The International?
Poor every esports company ever, now any effort they make will be compared to Riot and Valve's incredible prize pools.
Seems like an okay format though, shades of MSL. Still not quite sure I understand why every tournament organizer is in love with formats that sound super complex when you try to explain them. Probably should be picture-only descriptions in the future.
Riot is making more money from in-game shops that blizzard ever made of Sc2 nad BW , i think its sound stupid , but MABY Riot in making more money from in-game shop that blizzard from WoW.
Same for Dota 2 game is in beta stage so they wanna promote IT BIG , to make more player come from LoL , and Dota 2 have in-game shop to..
We never gonna see that big prize money in sc2 , because there will be NO in-game shop. Its a shame because i love bw/sc2 more that any moba game ( love dota <3 ) , but its still biznes
Not a chance, WoW has made billions over the years. A fraction of that can go to server costs and salary as well as bonuses for various emplyoees, but it's fairly obvious that Blizzard has plenty of $$$ from WoW. A game at it's peak had like nearly or around 13million paying suscribers paying maybe on average $14 a month for the span of at least a few years not including paid transactions for possible character moves, race/gender changes, and so on. No way RIOT can match the amount of profit Blizzard has had with WoW.
On September 11 2012 08:42 Iodem wrote: Looks sweet.
I'm curious how much money will be in the prize pool though. Will it be comparable to Valve's money dump into The International?
Poor every esports company ever, now any effort they make will be compared to Riot and Valve's incredible prize pools.
Seems like an okay format though, shades of MSL. Still not quite sure I understand why every tournament organizer is in love with formats that sound super complex when you try to explain them. Probably should be picture-only descriptions in the future.
I don't think it'll be that much money. DOTA Invitational was ridiculously high money for an unproven new game to GAIN viewers and players. This is the biggest tournament for SC2, but I don't think the goal is so much to have new players and viewers, more like to keep the current viewers happy and to keep the game relevant. I expect 200k tournament.
On September 11 2012 09:04 AKomrade wrote: Whew. I thought they were going to do the crazy MLG format. Good look, Blizz.
Also important to note that League and DOTA2 are games that involve multiple people on the same team. From a raw money standpoint it looks like a lot, but per person its going to be roughly equal.
One fifth of one million is still ten times as much as you can make from an MLG championship win..
yes, but sc2 has many many more events on MLG prizepool scale (most big premiers) compared to dota2 with the international (once year; most dota2 tourneys are <10k). overall, prize pool support is much better for sc2
Also MLG is much more spread out so more places benefited (one to thirty two or whatever)
1.6 million over five is 320k.one mlg championship is 76kx4 per year is 296k, plus the arenas. Then you have dream hack, then IPL, then nasl, then GSL, so definitely more individual money in sc and overall prize pool seems similar.
On September 11 2012 08:42 Iodem wrote: Looks sweet.
I'm curious how much money will be in the prize pool though. Will it be comparable to Valve's money dump into The International?
Poor every esports company ever, now any effort they make will be compared to Riot and Valve's incredible prize pools.
Seems like an okay format though, shades of MSL. Still not quite sure I understand why every tournament organizer is in love with formats that sound super complex when you try to explain them. Probably should be picture-only descriptions in the future.
Riot is making more money from in-game shops that blizzard ever made of Sc2 nad BW , i think its sound stupid , but MABY Riot in making more money from in-game shop that blizzard from WoW.
Same for Dota 2 game is in beta stage so they wanna promote IT BIG , to make more player come from LoL , and Dota 2 have in-game shop to..
We never gonna see that big prize money in sc2 , because there will be NO in-game shop. Its a shame because i love bw/sc2 more that any moba game ( love dota <3 ) , but its still biznes
Not a chance, WoW has made billions over the years. A fraction of that can go to server costs and salary as well as bonuses for various emplyoees, but it's fairly obvious that Blizzard has plenty of $$$ from WoW. A game at it's peak had like nearly or around 13million paying suscribers paying maybe on average $14 a month for the span of at least a few years not including paid transactions for possible character moves, race/gender changes, and so on. No way RIOT can match the amount of profit Blizzard has had with WoW.
Thats why i write MABY , who knows how much blizzard is making from WoW now..they lost 3-5 milions subscribers from WoW ( some people say its 3 , some that 5 or even more.. ) Its just world.. of games , there is no way , that any RTS game will be that popular , like MMO or free to download and play MOBA game. But when we look at this in other way its not that bad. IG win 1 000 000$ at The International...so its 250 000 per player , and that big Dota 2 tournament is once a year ? or two ( i dont really know ) . Best sc2 players earn plus/minus 100 000 $ just in 2012+ mothly pay check , so its around 120 000-150 000$ per year. Other thing is that mid tier sc2 pro gamers earn MORE that mid tier dota 2 or LoL pro gamers , they have no chances at big tournaments like The International , so they have no change to make good cash , where mid tier Sc2 pro gamers earn in just 2012 plus/minus 30 000$.
So top 5 Dota 2 LoL teams are making good cash , but mid tier teams not that much like mid tier sc2 players.
The real question is .. who works harder for that money.. , who click mouse and keyborad buttons more..? Sc2 or Dota 2 players ? :D Milion Dollar qustion
On September 11 2012 08:59 pallad wrote: Riot is making more money from in-game shops that blizzard ever made of Sc2 nad BW , i think its sound stupid , but MABY Riot in making more money from in-game shop that blizzard from WoW.
Blizzard makes 130 mil a month from subs alone, i would be surprised if riot made 1/5 of that.
Riot is making more money from in-game shops that blizzard ever made of Sc2 nad BW , i think its sound stupid , but MABY Riot in making more money from in-game shop that blizzard from WoW.
Hah, no way man WoW is like THE gold mine (altough slowly running out of the resources...).
Perhaps they should try to take another expo...
oh wait.
Oh they've expanded. They've got quite a few expansions. But the map mines out eventually
Like the format, the picture of the group stage confused the daylights out of me had to actually read but good format, let's just hope for some epic games
On September 11 2012 11:44 CoR wrote: WHY does they announce A vs H etc ? if you H and A is someone like SEED you just going for 2nd place to avoid him ,....
That's far too risky, to purposefully shoot for second place, because you might get unlucky and lose the final match of the group. If there was a match to decide who gets #1 and who gets #2 it might have been beneficial to drop a series on purpose for seeding, but with this format noone will want to risk it.
On September 11 2012 08:42 Iodem wrote: Looks sweet.
I'm curious how much money will be in the prize pool though. Will it be comparable to Valve's money dump into The International?
Asia: $127,000 and all trips paid to WCS World Finals(9), and Asia Finals(32). Europe: $190,000 and all trips paid to WCS World Finals(9), and Europe Finals(32). North America: $120,000 and all trips paid to WCS World Finals(9), and North America Finals(32). Oceania: $30,000 and all trips paid to WCS World Finals(2), and Oceania Finals(8). South America: $45,000 and all trips paid to WCS World Finals (3) and South America Finals(16).
Total of $512,000 in prize pool, with the WCS World Finals prize pool still to be announced.
While not as large as Valve's $1.6 million, it's still nothing to laugh at.
On September 11 2012 08:42 Iodem wrote: Looks sweet.
I'm curious how much money will be in the prize pool though. Will it be comparable to Valve's money dump into The International?
Asia: $127,000 and all trips paid to WCS World Finals(9), and Asia Finals(32). Europe: $190,000 and all trips paid to WCS World Finals(9), and Europe Finals(32). North America: $120,000 and all trips paid to WCS World Finals(9), and North America Finals(32). Oceania: $30,000 and all trips paid to WCS World Finals(2), and Oceania Finals(8). South America: $45,000 and all trips paid to WCS World Finals (3) and South America Finals(16).
Total of $512,000 in prize pool, with the WCS World Finals prize pool still to be announced.
While not as large as Valve's $1.6 million, it's still nothing to laugh at.
Also, the nationals' prize pool.
this is inclusive of the nationals iirc (asia, NA, and europe are 60k each)
On September 11 2012 17:29 Vinc wrote: I wonder if there are any plans to stream the drawing?
I would like it!
Seriously, more tournaments need to stream drawing!! GSL "drawings" are fun, HSC drawing are fun too (and hilariously chaotic). I think there was some DH tournament 2011 (DH Summer?) they did it too, it was fun to speculate how the groups would turn out.
Even better if they'd have progamers doing the random drawing out of a bowl with a list of names or something. The awkward situation where someone places his best friend in group of death or draws only his worst matchup to himself, or anything along those lines.
On September 11 2012 09:04 AKomrade wrote: Whew. I thought they were going to do the crazy MLG format. Good look, Blizz.
Also important to note that League and DOTA2 are games that involve multiple people on the same team. From a raw money standpoint it looks like a lot, but per person its going to be roughly equal.
One fifth of one million is still ten times as much as you can make from an MLG championship win..
How frequently are their tournaments with $1,000,000.00 prize pools? Are those prize pools sustainable for organizers after including operational costs as well in the long term?
On September 11 2012 08:48 Noam wrote: When comparing WCS prize money don't just look at the grand final, you need to add up all the nationals and continentals.
Also every flight and hotels are payed by blizzard.
On September 11 2012 08:59 pallad wrote: Riot is making more money from in-game shops that blizzard ever made of Sc2 nad BW , i think its sound stupid , but MABY Riot in making more money from in-game shop that blizzard from WoW.
Blizzard makes 130 mil a month from subs alone, i would be surprised if riot made 1/5 of that.
You must have very old data for that number , blizzard was making that much in WoW gold times TBC/early WOLTK , then they lost milions of subscribes .
I would have liked it if they just kept their Double Elimination format they used in all natinonal and contitental qualifiers as well. Thats a very fair format and would show some continuity.
So happy this is happening it's like the Olympics of Starcraft. While prize pool is important, the prestige of winning for your country should be at the forefront of what everything player is thinking about.
On September 11 2012 08:42 Iodem wrote: Looks sweet.
I'm curious how much money will be in the prize pool though. Will it be comparable to Valve's money dump into The International?
Poor every esports company ever, now any effort they make will be compared to Riot and Valve's incredible prize pools.
Seems like an okay format though, shades of MSL. Still not quite sure I understand why every tournament organizer is in love with formats that sound super complex when you try to explain them. Probably should be picture-only descriptions in the future.
Riot is making more money from in-game shops that blizzard ever made of Sc2 nad BW , i think its sound stupid , but MABY Riot in making more money from in-game shop that blizzard from WoW.
Same for Dota 2 game is in beta stage so they wanna promote IT BIG , to make more player come from LoL , and Dota 2 have in-game shop to..
We never gonna see that big prize money in sc2 , because there will be NO in-game shop. Its a shame because i love bw/sc2 more that any moba game ( love dota <3 ) , but its still biznes
No game in the world has over the spand of time, had a contribution margin that can even come CLOSE to WoW, the game has pretty much fed the entire company. In terms of money, LoL and Dota 2 are babies next to the huge giant that is WoW. And due to the development in the market, we might not see a game ever, or atleast for very long time to have same financial succes as WoW, since subscription models doesn't work very well anymore.
Sc2 doesn't need huge prize pools, for the players themself it's still better in sc2. You are 5 people to split the money in other games, and they only have 1 tournament each year with a huge prize pool, others are similar to sc2, in total, + in those huge tournament, you can bet your ass that the teams will take a lot of the money as well.
On September 11 2012 08:42 Iodem wrote: Looks sweet.
I'm curious how much money will be in the prize pool though. Will it be comparable to Valve's money dump into The International?
Asia: $127,000 and all trips paid to WCS World Finals(9), and Asia Finals(32). Europe: $190,000 and all trips paid to WCS World Finals(9), and Europe Finals(32). North America: $120,000 and all trips paid to WCS World Finals(9), and North America Finals(32). Oceania: $30,000 and all trips paid to WCS World Finals(2), and Oceania Finals(8). South America: $45,000 and all trips paid to WCS World Finals (3) and South America Finals(16).
Total of $512,000 in prize pool, with the WCS World Finals prize pool still to be announced.
While not as large as Valve's $1.6 million, it's still nothing to laugh at.
besides not including the world finals prize pool, it also doesn't seem to include all the national tournament prize pools. $512K is only the continental prize pools. The national qualifiers(28 tournaments though a few without prize pools) can easily have topped 200,000. Added on top of the yet to be announced World Championship, and all the expenses paid, Blizzard will have easily topped $1 Million
On September 11 2012 08:42 Iodem wrote: Looks sweet.
I'm curious how much money will be in the prize pool though. Will it be comparable to Valve's money dump into The International?
Asia: $127,000 and all trips paid to WCS World Finals(9), and Asia Finals(32). Europe: $190,000 and all trips paid to WCS World Finals(9), and Europe Finals(32). North America: $120,000 and all trips paid to WCS World Finals(9), and North America Finals(32). Oceania: $30,000 and all trips paid to WCS World Finals(2), and Oceania Finals(8). South America: $45,000 and all trips paid to WCS World Finals (3) and South America Finals(16).
Total of $512,000 in prize pool, with the WCS World Finals prize pool still to be announced.
While not as large as Valve's $1.6 million, it's still nothing to laugh at.
but it's prizepool for 1 man game, not for 5 man. So it's actually better. Not to say about world finals Pretty sweet also <3 the format
Blizzard should just ball out and give the world championship a 5 million dollar prize, half to the winner and the rest split up for the rest, would be so epic. Not gonna happen tho...
Single elimination :O seems odd after all the national and regional tournaments where double elimination was emplyoed. Looks like no room for error for the final 16!!
<3 the format, <3 WCS, everyone loves to talk shit about blizzard but seriously this tournament is so fucking amazing, they did so much stuff really right, its been awesome to watch.
On September 11 2012 08:59 pallad wrote: Riot is making more money from in-game shops that blizzard ever made of Sc2 nad BW , i think its sound stupid , but MABY Riot in making more money from in-game shop that blizzard from WoW.
Blizzard makes 130 mil a month from subs alone, i would be surprised if riot made 1/5 of that.
You must have very old data for that number , blizzard was making that much in WoW gold times TBC/early WOLTK , then they lost milions of subscribes .
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, who knows how much blizzard is making from WoW now..they lost 3-5 milions subscribers from WoW ( some people say its 3 , some that 5 or even more.. ) 
but good format, let's just hope for some epic games
