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On September 08 2012 20:57 bluQ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 20:53 mememolly wrote:On September 08 2012 20:42 bluQ wrote:On September 08 2012 20:27 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On September 08 2012 20:14 bluQ wrote:On September 08 2012 20:11 thecoupe wrote:On September 08 2012 20:06 Nuclease wrote:
96,000 a year?
Seems pretty measly to me, for a person who apparently is in the game to make money. That's without prize money, though. You don't know the contract. Prize money can easly all go to EG with such a salary. There is no way any team is stupid enough to take all prize money. It hurts a players motivation way too much. Really? I mean sure I could see some motivation for that exact tournament could be less. Sure. But over the generaltime I expect a person like Stephano to feel more motivated to preform in an overall good state. Imo it highly depends on the personality and someone like Stephano doesn't seem to really care about tournaments. So if you, by contract, make him to perform in a defined overall state(-> high monthly salary, low earnings from tournies) woudln't that make him more motivated? He seems to care more about having enough money each month to live like he wants to rather than getting one big paycheck each year. And somesort of percentage-model could still work, but as I said, I think there are enough players who would trade x% of pricemoney for a higher monthly salary. And considering EG you either would need to give your player money for each commerical etc or just subsum it under one big monthly figure. No, you're wrong. Stephano does care about tourneys, hence why he's one of the biggest winners and often the highest place foreigner. He'd be more motivated to win tourneys if he got the prize money as it's more money to him, he gets his salary regardless, what you're suggesting is that if it didn't matter either way whether he won a tourney he'd be more motivated to win them, which doesn't make any sense. EG will want their players to place as highly as possible so will do anything in their power to make sure this happens, taking prize money away and giving them a salary based on what call "defined overall state" (whatever that means) again doesn't motivate the player to win a tourney and so is bad for EG. I think I might havn't made clear what i meant. The risk of not winning a tournament and hence not earning as much as caluclated can be compensate by a high salary. In that sceneario the team/organiziation works as a medium to buffer the risk for the player. By that the player sure loses some POSSIBLE high earnings. But this models is kinda proven in standard economics. And as I said u can still use some sort of percantage model. Im suggesting some players value stability over possible earnings.
I think you should stop suggesting so much and congratulate the awesome zerg of owning. EG will not release the contract information so everything you thinking and typing is speculation and personal opinion.
So why drag it on for 3 posts, who cares what they are doing he is happier (obviously) then his current ( or past ) contracts so why not just be happy for that reason alone.
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On September 08 2012 21:09 Sedzz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 20:57 revel8 wrote:On September 08 2012 12:46 Forikorder wrote:On September 08 2012 12:44 emythrel wrote:On September 08 2012 11:36 Forikorder wrote:On September 08 2012 11:34 SeraKuDA wrote:On September 08 2012 11:31 Forikorder wrote:On September 08 2012 11:27 SeraKuDA wrote:On September 08 2012 11:24 emythrel wrote:On September 08 2012 11:08 SeraKuDA wrote:
Hmmm, I thought he would be making more money. Still a very nice salary though. This means HuK's rumoured "six figure" salary is false. well since 8k per month works out to 96k per year its not really hard to imagine that huk made 9k per month which would bring him over the 100k line and thus a 6 figure salary. Because a 6 figure salary means that in a year you earn over 100k, not per month. I realize that. What I'm saying is that Stephano is (most likely) the highest paid player on EG right now, and therefore HuK isn't making six figures. tahts a leap big enough to cross the atlantic if anyone is making the biggest salary its IdrA since he has the biggest fan following (probably) of any pro, aside from this month has always had the msot popular stream (or a very very close second) was the only foreiner still palying to survive kespa and has the second best GSL results for any foreigner just looking at who they can make the most money out of its definently IdrA, even his kingston commercials is everyones favourite There's no way idra is making more than stephano. IdrA brings there sponsors money Stephano throws up and gets put in a drunk tank whos the better investment? no matter how you look at it sponsors would prefer to give IdrA money over stephano Stephano wins tournaments, Idra doesn't. I'd invest in the guy who wins shit over the guy who doesn't every single time. You certainly don't get football teams signing players for 40million dollars saying "hmm, this guy was caught fucking his bast mates girlfriend, lets hire the guy whos not as good but didn't fuck his best friends girlfriend". Business doesn't work like that. When you are the best, you can get away with pretty much anything you like. If destiny were the best foreigner, his sponsors would "look the other way" when he says or does something stupid.... but since he isn't the best he doesn't get away with it. When stephano got put in the drunk tank, did his team get an e-mail spam thwon at them to drop him from the team? hell no. Everyone laughed about how stupid Stephano looked and then MOVED on because he is the best and who cares if he likes to get drunk... hes young, thats what young people do. IdrA palces well at tournaments he plugs the sponsors he has more fans then stephano hes got the more popular stream he has more presence hes on shows he casts IdrA is far more marketable then Stephano he is a much much bigger asset then stephano Stephano has more fans than Idra now. Stephano's stream is consistently MUCH more popular than Idra's. Stephano is better for sponsors because he is the guy that is playing in the big tournaments in the later stages. Stephano generates a higher ROI for sponsors through exposure then Idra these days. Idra casts and is on shows, fair enough but he is far off being a consistent tournament contender like he was in 2011. Stephano actually wins tournaments and this puts his team name out there. Idra might get back there again, I hope he does, but he is definitely being eclipsed by Stephano currently. Stephano has earned > $86,000 in tournament prize money in 2012 alone. Idra has won ~$8,000 in the same period, less than a tenth of Stephano's winnings. In his career Stephano has won > $165,000 in tournament prize money, that is greater than $100,000 more prize-money than Idra, despite Stephano being a pro-gamer less than half the time of Idra. Maybe being team-mates will benefit both players, as they can practice ZvZ together and talk tactics. Go look at the streaming figures and you will see that Stephano has the most popular stream. He will again be the most popular SC2 streamer (by average viewer) with the highest peak viewers in September. Claiming Idra's stream is more popular is simply untrue. Go re-check your data. I am not bashing Idra here. I like Idra and hope that he can regain his competitive edge at the top level. Currently however Stephano is a bigger draw to teams because he wins AND is popular. Congratulations, you focussed on one point he mentioned and drew a conclusion that way, neglecting all other points. Just because he wins tournaments and has a popular stream, doesn't mean he is more marketable, look at incontrol for an example, he doesn't place that well at tournaments but he is intelligent and very outspoken, he's infinitely more valuable to EG and has a much higher ROI than what Stephano would have.
Actually I think Stephano is the hottest foreign property in SC2 currently and provides the highest ROI. I think this will be reflected in Stephano presumably getting paid more by EG than InControl. I really like Geoff and think it is terrible how much abuse he gets here, and he certainly is an asset to his team. Stephano is surely worth more though. Some Korean players like MC are also extremely popular and give great ROI too. MC is not on the market however and seems settled at SK Gaming, who are probably delighted with his consistency.
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On September 08 2012 20:57 bluQ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 20:53 mememolly wrote:On September 08 2012 20:42 bluQ wrote:On September 08 2012 20:27 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On September 08 2012 20:14 bluQ wrote:On September 08 2012 20:11 thecoupe wrote:On September 08 2012 20:06 Nuclease wrote:
96,000 a year?
Seems pretty measly to me, for a person who apparently is in the game to make money. That's without prize money, though. You don't know the contract. Prize money can easly all go to EG with such a salary. There is no way any team is stupid enough to take all prize money. It hurts a players motivation way too much. Really? I mean sure I could see some motivation for that exact tournament could be less. Sure. But over the generaltime I expect a person like Stephano to feel more motivated to preform in an overall good state. Imo it highly depends on the personality and someone like Stephano doesn't seem to really care about tournaments. So if you, by contract, make him to perform in a defined overall state(-> high monthly salary, low earnings from tournies) woudln't that make him more motivated? He seems to care more about having enough money each month to live like he wants to rather than getting one big paycheck each year. And somesort of percentage-model could still work, but as I said, I think there are enough players who would trade x% of pricemoney for a higher monthly salary. And considering EG you either would need to give your player money for each commerical etc or just subsum it under one big monthly figure. No, you're wrong. Stephano does care about tourneys, hence why he's one of the biggest winners and often the highest place foreigner. He'd be more motivated to win tourneys if he got the prize money as it's more money to him, he gets his salary regardless, what you're suggesting is that if it didn't matter either way whether he won a tourney he'd be more motivated to win them, which doesn't make any sense. EG will want their players to place as highly as possible so will do anything in their power to make sure this happens, taking prize money away and giving them a salary based on what call "defined overall state" (whatever that means) again doesn't motivate the player to win a tourney and so is bad for EG. I think I might havn't made clear what i meant. The risk of not winning a tournament and hence not earning as much as caluclated can be compensate by a high salary. In that sceneario the team/organiziation works as a medium to buffer the risk for the player. By that the player sure loses some POSSIBLE high earnings. But this models is kinda proven in standard economics. And as I said u can still use some sort of percantage model. Im suggesting some players value stability over possible earnings.
I think I get what you're saying. From Stephano's point of view right? Yeah, that would be more desirable contract conditions for the player especially in a field where winners are few and far inbetween, but no team would be silly enough opting for higher wages in return for 100% winnings.
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InControl said on the State of the Game last week that there are several players in the eg house making six figures. Something tells me this 8k per month is just a guess.
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On September 08 2012 19:54 AhOhitzXray wrote:
showed my mom this and she apologized for making me turn off my game 2 do homework.
Your mom is a keeper. Marry her.
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On September 08 2012 21:19 Fusa wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 20:57 bluQ wrote:On September 08 2012 20:53 mememolly wrote:On September 08 2012 20:42 bluQ wrote:On September 08 2012 20:27 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On September 08 2012 20:14 bluQ wrote:On September 08 2012 20:11 thecoupe wrote:On September 08 2012 20:06 Nuclease wrote:
96,000 a year?
Seems pretty measly to me, for a person who apparently is in the game to make money. That's without prize money, though. You don't know the contract. Prize money can easly all go to EG with such a salary. There is no way any team is stupid enough to take all prize money. It hurts a players motivation way too much. Really? I mean sure I could see some motivation for that exact tournament could be less. Sure. But over the generaltime I expect a person like Stephano to feel more motivated to preform in an overall good state. Imo it highly depends on the personality and someone like Stephano doesn't seem to really care about tournaments. So if you, by contract, make him to perform in a defined overall state(-> high monthly salary, low earnings from tournies) woudln't that make him more motivated? He seems to care more about having enough money each month to live like he wants to rather than getting one big paycheck each year. And somesort of percentage-model could still work, but as I said, I think there are enough players who would trade x% of pricemoney for a higher monthly salary. And considering EG you either would need to give your player money for each commerical etc or just subsum it under one big monthly figure. No, you're wrong. Stephano does care about tourneys, hence why he's one of the biggest winners and often the highest place foreigner. He'd be more motivated to win tourneys if he got the prize money as it's more money to him, he gets his salary regardless, what you're suggesting is that if it didn't matter either way whether he won a tourney he'd be more motivated to win them, which doesn't make any sense. EG will want their players to place as highly as possible so will do anything in their power to make sure this happens, taking prize money away and giving them a salary based on what call "defined overall state" (whatever that means) again doesn't motivate the player to win a tourney and so is bad for EG. I think I might havn't made clear what i meant. The risk of not winning a tournament and hence not earning as much as caluclated can be compensate by a high salary. In that sceneario the team/organiziation works as a medium to buffer the risk for the player. By that the player sure loses some POSSIBLE high earnings. But this models is kinda proven in standard economics. And as I said u can still use some sort of percantage model. Im suggesting some players value stability over possible earnings. I think you should stop suggesting so much and congratulate the awesome zerg of owning. EG will not release the contract information so everything you thinking and typing is speculation and personal opinion. So why drag it on for 3 posts, who cares what they are doing he is happier (obviously) then his current ( or past ) contracts so why not just be happy for that reason alone.
Haha im happy for stephano ^^
Im not happy as a stephano fan 
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On September 08 2012 21:30 mcluvinbeach wrote:
InControl said on the State of the Game last week that there are several players in the eg house making six figures. Something tells me this 8k per month is just a guess.
While I didn't hear the conversation, I'm sure Idra and Incontrol at least are making more than 100k a year, but remember they don't only play. Both have been casting at least a bit, so that's money they're earning (if they're casting for the EG master's cup for instance I'm sure that's counted towards their salary from EG specifically). It's possible that the team captain (I believe this is incontrol if there even is one) is making more than average because of those duties. There could be other roles filled/tasks completed for additional pay.
Also understand that bonuses are counted as earnings, and I'm not sure exactly but couldn't perks (being flown to a tournament they aren't playing in, room and board, etc) need to be claimed for income tax, for instance? That would make those earnings, and could very well be a part of this mythical $8000 a month. The only part of this I can be certain about is the bonuses counting as income. I live in Connecticut, and all of my bonuses are both heavily taxed when I receive them, and the total count towards my yearly income, though it might be different in Arizona (I think that's where the team house is, no?).
My point is that we don't necessarily know what players make and until they outright tell us, we can't even really have an inkling. There are so many different things that people can be paid for, and can be considered part of their occupational obligations that finding out what one player makes with one team wouldn't even necessarily mean we could determine what another player makes from that same team.
I don't think it would be at all unreasonable to believe Incontrol makes more than Stephano would (assuming he is in fact going to EG). Personally I'd pay a player/coach/caster/sponsor whore/media god far more than a player, even if that player was hundreds of times better than the jack of all trades. Making any kind of statement regarding absolutes in financials simply can't be proven and is a waste of time without facts.
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This makes me more interested in the next player Liquid sign up to continue the eternal rivalry!
Liquid.RorO fighting!!!
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8k really isnt that much guys. Imagine what the Stephano of online poker makes? The Stephano of the NFL, NBA, NHL? The Stephano of Tennis?
Im probably not alone in thinking that SC2 requires just as much talent and practice.
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Expected. Good luck for both Stephano and EG!
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I guess we really just can't wait for an official announcement.
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On September 08 2012 22:08 Equity213 wrote:
8k really isnt that much guys. Imagine what the Stephano of online poker makes? The Stephano of the NFL, NBA, NHL? The Stephano of Tennis?
Im probably not alone in thinking that SC2 requires just as much talent and practice.
hahhahaha how can you even compare starcraft 2, a computer game that was only launched 2 years ago, to NFL, NBA, NHL and Tennis? Did you even think this through first?! NFL, NBA, NHL -- all those teams leagues and the teams have been around for decades, they have huge sponsors that actually pays them millions, they have millions of fans nationwide that attend their games, who buy tickets to attend their games, who buy their clothes and stuffs. That's millions of revenue.
And for any gamer who have to go through part time jobs, school and even full time jobs, $8fucking000 per month is a lot and i'm sure it would be any gamers' dream to make a 6 figure income yearly to play his/her favourite esports game. Well, except you.
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holy shit stephano is big ballin for a foreigner in esports. congrats to him hope to see him continue to beat up on koreans
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On September 08 2012 21:30 mcluvinbeach wrote:
InControl said on the State of the Game last week that there are several players in the eg house making six figures. Something tells me this 8k per month is just a guess.
That would have to be combined with streaming revenue and tournament winnings. Plain old salary, no way.
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On September 08 2012 22:08 Equity213 wrote:
8k really isnt that much guys. Imagine what the Stephano of online poker makes? The Stephano of the NFL, NBA, NHL? The Stephano of Tennis?
Im probably not alone in thinking that SC2 requires just as much talent and practice.
Apples and oranges.
I certainly hope you're in the minority if you think that.
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Average salary in my country is like 500$/Month.8k is a lot here.
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On September 08 2012 13:55 Leny_1 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 13:40 Zerg.Zilla wrote:On September 08 2012 13:38 Leny_1 wrote:
Yet another victim of EG's curse... Despite the fact that i'm not an EG fan at all pls don't start this again... Prove it wrong please so i wont talk about it. I'm not EG fan/hater but every top player who has been signed by them is underperforming. If Stephano joins this trend then there will be no doubt that something is done wrong there. Maybe they pay too much, players are getting too comfortable, lazy... who knows. I will exclude Throzain from this as he was signed not too long ago.
idk how you can prove the eg curse at all. Huk won an mlg after going to eg then is in a slump. idra was good for like 18 months before his slump. So is it not normal for people to sizzle out of the top after a while? Thorzain won wcs sweden, second hardest wcs, on eg. How can you say that slumps are not happening to all players. It is just that eg is the best well run team that they get so much more attention than anyone else and thus idiots come up with the "curse".
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On September 08 2012 22:08 Equity213 wrote:
8k really isnt that much guys. Imagine what the Stephano of online poker makes? The Stephano of the NFL, NBA, NHL? The Stephano of Tennis?
Im probably not alone in thinking that SC2 requires just as much talent and practice.
1. You realize that actual professional sports make a truckload more money, and thus can afford to pay their players ridiculously huge salaries... right?
2. Stephano is like... what, the 30th best player or so of SC2? Maybe top 50? Who the hell is the Stephano of online poker? Who's the 40th best hockey player (again, not that a computer game is nearly as popular as a regular sport)?
3. He's making about 100K a year. That's more than double what the average teacher makes in America (http://www.payscale.com/research/US/All_K-12_Teachers/Salary). So really, please settle down.
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On September 08 2012 22:08 Equity213 wrote:
8k really isnt that much guys. Imagine what the Stephano of online poker makes? The Stephano of the NFL, NBA, NHL? The Stephano of Tennis?
Im probably not alone in thinking that SC2 requires just as much talent and practice.
Silly comparison. All of those things (except online poker), have been established for much longer. Speaking from experience, online poker requires a lot more stress/risk than a guaranteed 8k a month. He's doing great for a young guy.
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If you think, Stephano is "maybe Top 50" then you need to settle down haha...
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