Stephano signs with Evil Geniuses (?) - Page 32

On September 08 2012 20:14 bluQ wrote:

You don't know the contract.
Prize money can easly all go to EG with such a salary.

On September 08 2012 20:27 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:

There is no way any team is stupid enough to take all prize money. It hurts a players motivation way too much.

On September 08 2012 20:42 bluQ wrote:

Really? I mean sure I could see some motivation for that exact tournament could be less. Sure.
But over the generaltime I expect a person like Stephano to feel more motivated to preform in an overall good state.
Imo it highly depends on the personality and someone like Stephano doesn't seem to really care about tournaments.
So if you, by contract, make him to perform in a defined overall state(-> high monthly salary, low earnings from tournies) woudln't that make him more motivated?
He seems to care more about having enough money each month to live like he wants to rather than getting one big paycheck each year.

And somesort of percentage-model could still work, but as I said, I think there are enough players who would trade x% of pricemoney for a higher monthly salary.

And considering EG you either would need to give your player money for each commerical etc or just subsum it under one big monthly figure.

On September 08 2012 20:42 bluQ wrote:

Really? I mean sure I could see some motivation for that exact tournament could be less. Sure.
But over the generaltime I expect a person like Stephano to feel more motivated to preform in an overall good state.
Imo it highly depends on the personality and someone like Stephano doesn't seem to really care about tournaments.
So if you, by contract, make him to perform in a defined overall state(-> high monthly salary, low earnings from tournies) woudln't that make him more motivated?
He seems to care more about having enough money each month to live like he wants to rather than getting one big paycheck each year.

And somesort of percentage-model could still work, but as I said, I think there are enough players who would trade x% of pricemoney for a higher monthly salary.

And considering EG you either would need to give your player money for each commerical etc or just subsum it under one big monthly figure.

On September 08 2012 20:42 bluQ wrote:

Really? I mean sure I could see some motivation for that exact tournament could be less. Sure.
But over the generaltime I expect a person like Stephano to feel more motivated to preform in an overall good state.
Imo it highly depends on the personality and someone like Stephano doesn't seem to really care about tournaments.
So if you, by contract, make him to perform in a defined overall state(-> high monthly salary, low earnings from tournies) woudln't that make him more motivated?
He seems to care more about having enough money each month to live like he wants to rather than getting one big paycheck each year.
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On September 08 2012 20:53 mememolly wrote:


No, you're wrong. Stephano does care about tourneys, hence why he's one of the biggest winners and often the highest place foreigner.

He'd be more motivated to win tourneys if he got the prize money as it's more money to him, he gets his salary regardless, what you're suggesting is that if it didn't matter either way whether he won a tourney he'd be more motivated to win them, which doesn't make any sense.

EG will want their players to place as highly as possible so will do anything in their power to make sure this happens, taking prize money away and giving them a salary based on what call "defined overall state" (whatever that means) again doesn't motivate the player to win a tourney and so is bad for EG.

On September 08 2012 12:46 Forikorder wrote:

IdrA palces well at tournaments
he plugs the sponsors
he has more fans then stephano
hes got the more popular stream
he has more presence
hes on shows
he casts

IdrA is far more marketable then Stephano he is a much much bigger asset then stephano

On September 08 2012 20:57 revel8 wrote:


Stephano has more fans than Idra now. Stephano's stream is consistently MUCH more popular than Idra's. Stephano is better for sponsors because he is the guy that is playing in the big tournaments in the later stages. Stephano generates a higher ROI for sponsors through exposure then Idra these days. Idra casts and is on shows, fair enough but he is far off being a consistent tournament contender like he was in 2011.

Stephano actually wins tournaments and this puts his team name out there. Idra might get back there again, I hope he does, but he is definitely being eclipsed by Stephano currently. Stephano has earned > $86,000 in tournament prize money in 2012 alone. Idra has won ~$8,000 in the same period, less than a tenth of Stephano's winnings. In his career Stephano has won > $165,000 in tournament prize money, that is greater than $100,000 more prize-money than Idra, despite Stephano being a pro-gamer less than half the time of Idra.

Maybe being team-mates will benefit both players, as they can practice ZvZ together and talk tactics.

Go look at the streaming figures and you will see that Stephano has the most popular stream. He will again be the most popular SC2 streamer (by average viewer) with the highest peak viewers in September. Claiming Idra's stream is more popular is simply untrue. Go re-check your data.

On September 08 2012 20:57 revel8 wrote:


Stephano has more fans than Idra now. Stephano's stream is consistently MUCH more popular than Idra's. Stephano is better for sponsors because he is the guy that is playing in the big tournaments in the later stages. Stephano generates a higher ROI for sponsors through exposure then Idra these days. Idra casts and is on shows, fair enough but he is far off being a consistent tournament contender like he was in 2011.

Stephano actually wins tournaments and this puts his team name out there. Idra might get back there again, I hope he does, but he is definitely being eclipsed by Stephano currently. Stephano has earned > $86,000 in tournament prize money in 2012 alone. Idra has won ~$8,000 in the same period, less than a tenth of Stephano's winnings. In his career Stephano has won > $165,000 in tournament prize money, that is greater than $100,000 more prize-money than Idra, despite Stephano being a pro-gamer less than half the time of Idra.

Maybe being team-mates will benefit both players, as they can practice ZvZ together and talk tactics.

Go look at the streaming figures and you will see that Stephano has the most popular stream. He will again be the most popular SC2 streamer (by average viewer) with the highest peak viewers in September. Claiming Idra's stream is more popular is simply untrue. Go re-check your data.

I am not bashing Idra here. I like Idra and hope that he can regain his competitive edge at the top level. Currently however Stephano is a bigger draw to teams because he wins AND is popular.

On September 08 2012 20:42 bluQ wrote:
Really? I mean sure I could see some motivation for that exact tournament could be less. Sure.
But over the generaltime I expect a person like Stephano to feel more motivated to preform in an overall good state.
Imo it highly depends on the personality and someone like Stephano doesn't seem to really care about tournaments.
So if you, by contract, make him to perform in a defined overall state(-> high monthly salary, low earnings from tournies) woudln't that make him more motivated?
He seems to care more about having enough money each month to live like he wants to rather than getting one big paycheck each year.

And somesort of percentage-model could still work, but as I said, I think there are enough players who would trade x% of pricemoney for a higher monthly salary.

And considering EG you either would need to give your player money for each commerical etc or just subsum it under one big monthly figure.