• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 11:23
CET 17:23
KST 01:23
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT25Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book17Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up2ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/0241LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16)46Weekly Cups (Feb 2-8): Classic, Solar, MaxPax win2Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker16
StarCraft 2
General
How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game? Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT Liquipedia WCS Portal Launched Kaelaris on the futue of SC2 and much more...
Tourneys
PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) How do the "codes" work in GSL? LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ? [A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 514 Ulnar New Year The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 513 Attrition Warfare Mutation # 512 Overclocked
Brood War
General
A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone CasterMuse Youtube A new season just kicks off Recent recommended BW games BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [LIVE] [S:21] ASL Season Open Day 1 Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Fighting Spirit mining rates Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread New broswer game : STG-World Diablo 2 thread ZeroSpace Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Mexico's Drug War Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Ask and answer stupid questions here!
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TL MMA Pick'em Pool 2013
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Inside the Communication of …
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1303 users

compLexity and Killer part ways - Page 4

Forum Index > SC2 General
83 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
September 06 2012 05:26 GMT
#61
Nooo killer. D: Please don't retire. :/
Long live the King of Wings
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
September 06 2012 05:36 GMT
#62
kind of saddening, coL seemed like a nice home for SangHo
can i get my estro logo back pls
qtiehunter
Profile Joined August 2012
1088 Posts
September 06 2012 06:05 GMT
#63
Awww Sangho

Hope he fins a new team!
RIP KT.Violet
mongmong
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)1389 Posts
September 06 2012 06:07 GMT
#64
He didnt produce ANY results.

It was painful to watch his games.

He just couldn't keep up with other players.
어헣 ↗ 어헣 ↗
klicken
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden206 Posts
September 06 2012 06:38 GMT
#65
Go go SangHo!

Hope you'll find a new team soon!
| MC | Hero | Parting | Seed | Oz | Jangbi | MKP | sC | Keen | Clide | NaDa | Losira | Moon | DIMAGA | Jaedong | Nestea |
goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3548 Posts
September 06 2012 06:47 GMT
#66
On September 06 2012 15:07 mongmong wrote:
He didnt produce ANY results.

It was painful to watch his games.

He just couldn't keep up with other players.

Yes he did produce some results...
say you were born into a jungle indian tribe where food was scarce...would you run around from teepee to teepee stealing meat scraps after a day lazying around doing nothing except warming urself by a fire that you didn't even make yourself? -rekrul
Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
September 06 2012 06:48 GMT
#67
On September 06 2012 07:29 Lonyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 07:11 xsnac wrote:
On September 06 2012 07:00 BWalma wrote:
I wish him the best of luck. I wonder though why is it pro gamers don't stay with a team longer. I mean in Baseball players often play with a team for several years while under contract.



becose esport teams dont have the money to keep players that dont produce results . i guarantee you if complexity had 100 milion dolar income / year . they would sign every single pro gamer they can .

Not only that, but the cycle in progaming is MUCH shorter than in "real" sports, typically.
Think of the players who have hit the peak and then dropped off pretty rapidly, or won once and then disappeared.
Plus players can't always commit to progaming forever. You might get a year or two, but then realise/decide you can't make enough to justify putting off "real" life for even longer, and you need to leave.

Players as well are probably very reluctant to sign for long term because they won't know what their own future holds, and there are fewer guarantees in gaming, especially as it's also such a solo effort for the most part (in SC2 that is).

I really agree. Just look at NaDa. Stayed in Pantech forever because of his constistency.
LiquipediaSouma: EU MM is just Russian Roulette. Literally.
Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3822 Posts
September 06 2012 07:11 GMT
#68
On September 06 2012 05:47 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
(P)coL.Killer: Killer went 0-5. The only other player in history who went 0-5 in the Up/Down groups was BumblebeePrime. After going 0-5, he apparently left Prime, vanished from the universe, and is now in some different dimension trying to end the shame of going 0-5 in his Up/Down group. Let's hope the same doesn't happen to Killer.


Uh oh.

lol...

Almost prophetic!
NexCa
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany954 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-06 10:35:20
September 06 2012 10:33 GMT
#69
On September 06 2012 15:07 mongmong wrote:
He didnt produce ANY results.

It was painful to watch his games.

He just couldn't keep up with other players.



No reason because they part ways ?

Guess complexity just kicks the players who don't bring results. And lol.


And btw ... mongmong:

On July 23rd Killer participated in the 2012 South Korea WCS Preliminaries and lost to Leenock at the finals, taking second place

That IS a result right there ...
Best Protoss Player 4 ever - Bisu[Shield] || http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=326242 || THIS IS WHERE WE STAND, THIS IS WHERE THEY FALL, GIVE THEM NOTHING, BUT TAKE FROM THEM EVERYTHING ! || SKT FIGHTIIING
ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
September 06 2012 10:45 GMT
#70
On September 06 2012 19:33 NexCa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 15:07 mongmong wrote:
He didnt produce ANY results.

It was painful to watch his games.

He just couldn't keep up with other players.



No reason because they part ways ?

Guess complexity just kicks the players who don't bring results. And lol.


And btw ... mongmong:

On July 23rd Killer participated in the 2012 South Korea WCS Preliminaries and lost to Leenock at the finals, taking second place

That IS a result right there ...


Those are prelims. Thats basically a qualifier tournament before the actual tournament. Not much of a result. He didn't make it to the actual WCS tourney.
TL+ Member
Matkap
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Spain627 Posts
September 06 2012 11:14 GMT
#71
On September 06 2012 14:12 PhoenixDark wrote:
Didn't seem like a good fit. He didn't really have many good practice partners on his team, wasn't winning anything, and might have traveled too much. It would make far more sense for him to join a Korean team imo. Better practice environment, and while he probably won't travel as much he'll get better as a player.

Seems like a lot of Korean players who chase foreign money wind up stagnating as they get behind the general metagame, and don't win anything of note at tournaments.

I doubt Complexity will exist at the end of the year


what?

do you actually know what col is? :O
A man tells his stories so many times that he becomes the stories. They live on after him, and in that way he becomes immortal.
Ritchie
Profile Joined July 2012
Canada206 Posts
September 06 2012 11:27 GMT
#72
Not too surprising. coL seems like a team that needs results. Killer hasn't been posting too many results lately if not straight up terrible record.
After all, we just want to be happy, don't we?
bouboule
Profile Joined March 2012
American Samoa62 Posts
September 06 2012 12:45 GMT
#73
coL Stephano
Stephano
mongmong
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)1389 Posts
September 06 2012 13:12 GMT
#74
No reason because they part ways ?

Guess complexity just kicks the players who don't bring results. And lol.


And btw ... mongmong:

On July 23rd Killer participated in the 2012 South Korea WCS Preliminaries and lost to Leenock at the finals, taking second place

That IS a result right there ...
Last edit: 2012-09-06 19:35:20



result? winning in prelim is considered results??

Ask pro teams if thats even considered as "results"

so, winning in semi final of prelim means NOTHING.

if what youre saying is right, all the pro teams should recruit players who get knocked out of prelim finals of GSL.

어헣 ↗ 어헣 ↗
SharkStarcraft
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria2254 Posts
September 06 2012 13:17 GMT
#75
Best of luck to killer, i hope he rejoins a korean team and starts kicking ass in code s!
Cogito, ergo Toss
pookums
Profile Joined December 2010
151 Posts
September 06 2012 13:20 GMT
#76
On September 06 2012 19:33 NexCa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 15:07 mongmong wrote:
He didnt produce ANY results.

It was painful to watch his games.

He just couldn't keep up with other players.



No reason because they part ways ?

Guess complexity just kicks the players who don't bring results. And lol.


And btw ... mongmong:

On July 23rd Killer participated in the 2012 South Korea WCS Preliminaries and lost to Leenock at the finals, taking second place

That IS a result right there ...


Almost advancing out of the qualifiers for a national WCS tournament is not a result. He has steadily slid from GSL since joining coL and eventually got completely knocked out. The best Killer did was performing well in the playoffs of the EG Master's Cup, aka the completely online tournament which is the 3rd most prestigious team league in North America. This was after he did abysmally for coL in the group stage.

Teams sign players so that they can get the word out for their sponsors. This is either through exposure as a personality or exposure as a good player and once in a blue moon the player can be both. For foreign teams, Koreans are usually picked up for their ability to win games (as far as I can think the only Korean to be picked up with a larger emphasis being placed on their personality over their skill at the time was Nada by coL). With the exception of the aforementioned EGMC, Killer did not perform for coL. And he certainly wasn't marketing himself as a personality (admittedly hard to do with the language barrier).

Barring some incredible upswing in his results, the best Killer can hope for as far as teams are concerned is to get signed onto a Korean team for no salary. He's either going to retire within the next month or two or he'll stick around to see if he can do well in HotS.
TRaFFiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1448 Posts
September 06 2012 14:21 GMT
#77
On September 06 2012 22:20 pookums wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 19:33 NexCa wrote:
On September 06 2012 15:07 mongmong wrote:
He didnt produce ANY results.

It was painful to watch his games.

He just couldn't keep up with other players.



No reason because they part ways ?

Guess complexity just kicks the players who don't bring results. And lol.


And btw ... mongmong:

On July 23rd Killer participated in the 2012 South Korea WCS Preliminaries and lost to Leenock at the finals, taking second place

That IS a result right there ...


Almost advancing out of the qualifiers for a national WCS tournament is not a result. He has steadily slid from GSL since joining coL and eventually got completely knocked out. The best Killer did was performing well in the playoffs of the EG Master's Cup, aka the completely online tournament which is the 3rd most prestigious team league in North America. This was after he did abysmally for coL in the group stage.

Teams sign players so that they can get the word out for their sponsors. This is either through exposure as a personality or exposure as a good player and once in a blue moon the player can be both. For foreign teams, Koreans are usually picked up for their ability to win games (as far as I can think the only Korean to be picked up with a larger emphasis being placed on their personality over their skill at the time was Nada by coL). With the exception of the aforementioned EGMC, Killer did not perform for coL. And he certainly wasn't marketing himself as a personality (admittedly hard to do with the language barrier).

Barring some incredible upswing in his results, the best Killer can hope for as far as teams are concerned is to get signed onto a Korean team for no salary. He's either going to retire within the next month or two or he'll stick around to see if he can do well in HotS.

You seem pretty damn sure without any sources.
2v2, 1v1, Zerg, Terran http://www.twitch.tv/trafficsc2
HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
September 06 2012 14:41 GMT
#78
I feel like CoL is gonna be picking up some SC 2 players pretty soon.
Dranion
Profile Joined August 2011
United States7 Posts
September 06 2012 14:55 GMT
#79
Sad to see my favorite Protoss players leave a team that feels like home... I hope he doesn't retire. If and when he does his personality will be missed by many.
pullarius1
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States523 Posts
September 06 2012 17:48 GMT
#80
You might say that Killer is... at large.
@pullarius1
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 37m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech147
TKL 145
Rex 97
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 3861
Jaedong 1153
Snow 460
Dewaltoss 149
ggaemo 81
Barracks 55
Killer 29
Hm[arnc] 27
Noble 24
Rock 23
[ Show more ]
scan(afreeca) 23
Terrorterran 22
Dota 2
Gorgc4740
qojqva2096
Fuzer 232
Counter-Strike
byalli3040
fl0m518
allub401
adren_tv51
oskar28
Heroes of the Storm
MindelVK20
Other Games
singsing2085
hiko952
FrodaN445
Lowko421
Liquid`VortiX220
Sick175
ArmadaUGS98
QueenE90
KnowMe37
Trikslyr33
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL1522
Other Games
WardiTV768
BasetradeTV171
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV323
League of Legends
• Nemesis3380
• Jankos2368
• TFBlade916
• Shiphtur137
Upcoming Events
Monday Night Weeklies
37m
OSC
7h 37m
WardiTV Winter Champion…
19h 37m
Replay Cast
1d 16h
WardiTV Winter Champion…
1d 19h
The PondCast
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Korean StarCraft League
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
SC Evo Complete
4 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-02-22
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Acropolis #4 - TS5
WardiTV Winter 2026
PiG Sty Festival 7.0
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025

Upcoming

Jeongseon Sooper Cup
Spring Cup 2026
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round Qualifier
Acropolis #4 - TS6
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.