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compLexity and Killer part ways - Page 4

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LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
September 06 2012 05:26 GMT
#61
Nooo killer. D: Please don't retire. :/
Long live the King of Wings
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
September 06 2012 05:36 GMT
#62
kind of saddening, coL seemed like a nice home for SangHo
can i get my estro logo back pls
qtiehunter
Profile Joined August 2012
1088 Posts
September 06 2012 06:05 GMT
#63
Awww Sangho

Hope he fins a new team!
RIP KT.Violet
mongmong
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)1389 Posts
September 06 2012 06:07 GMT
#64
He didnt produce ANY results.

It was painful to watch his games.

He just couldn't keep up with other players.
어헣 ↗ 어헣 ↗
klicken
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden206 Posts
September 06 2012 06:38 GMT
#65
Go go SangHo!

Hope you'll find a new team soon!
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goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3546 Posts
September 06 2012 06:47 GMT
#66
On September 06 2012 15:07 mongmong wrote:
He didnt produce ANY results.

It was painful to watch his games.

He just couldn't keep up with other players.

Yes he did produce some results...
say you were born into a jungle indian tribe where food was scarce...would you run around from teepee to teepee stealing meat scraps after a day lazying around doing nothing except warming urself by a fire that you didn't even make yourself? -rekrul
Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
September 06 2012 06:48 GMT
#67
On September 06 2012 07:29 Lonyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 07:11 xsnac wrote:
On September 06 2012 07:00 BWalma wrote:
I wish him the best of luck. I wonder though why is it pro gamers don't stay with a team longer. I mean in Baseball players often play with a team for several years while under contract.



becose esport teams dont have the money to keep players that dont produce results . i guarantee you if complexity had 100 milion dolar income / year . they would sign every single pro gamer they can .

Not only that, but the cycle in progaming is MUCH shorter than in "real" sports, typically.
Think of the players who have hit the peak and then dropped off pretty rapidly, or won once and then disappeared.
Plus players can't always commit to progaming forever. You might get a year or two, but then realise/decide you can't make enough to justify putting off "real" life for even longer, and you need to leave.

Players as well are probably very reluctant to sign for long term because they won't know what their own future holds, and there are fewer guarantees in gaming, especially as it's also such a solo effort for the most part (in SC2 that is).

I really agree. Just look at NaDa. Stayed in Pantech forever because of his constistency.
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Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3820 Posts
September 06 2012 07:11 GMT
#68
On September 06 2012 05:47 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
(P)coL.Killer: Killer went 0-5. The only other player in history who went 0-5 in the Up/Down groups was BumblebeePrime. After going 0-5, he apparently left Prime, vanished from the universe, and is now in some different dimension trying to end the shame of going 0-5 in his Up/Down group. Let's hope the same doesn't happen to Killer.


Uh oh.

lol...

Almost prophetic!
NexCa
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany954 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-06 10:35:20
September 06 2012 10:33 GMT
#69
On September 06 2012 15:07 mongmong wrote:
He didnt produce ANY results.

It was painful to watch his games.

He just couldn't keep up with other players.



No reason because they part ways ?

Guess complexity just kicks the players who don't bring results. And lol.


And btw ... mongmong:

On July 23rd Killer participated in the 2012 South Korea WCS Preliminaries and lost to Leenock at the finals, taking second place

That IS a result right there ...
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ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
September 06 2012 10:45 GMT
#70
On September 06 2012 19:33 NexCa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 15:07 mongmong wrote:
He didnt produce ANY results.

It was painful to watch his games.

He just couldn't keep up with other players.



No reason because they part ways ?

Guess complexity just kicks the players who don't bring results. And lol.


And btw ... mongmong:

On July 23rd Killer participated in the 2012 South Korea WCS Preliminaries and lost to Leenock at the finals, taking second place

That IS a result right there ...


Those are prelims. Thats basically a qualifier tournament before the actual tournament. Not much of a result. He didn't make it to the actual WCS tourney.
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Matkap
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Spain627 Posts
September 06 2012 11:14 GMT
#71
On September 06 2012 14:12 PhoenixDark wrote:
Didn't seem like a good fit. He didn't really have many good practice partners on his team, wasn't winning anything, and might have traveled too much. It would make far more sense for him to join a Korean team imo. Better practice environment, and while he probably won't travel as much he'll get better as a player.

Seems like a lot of Korean players who chase foreign money wind up stagnating as they get behind the general metagame, and don't win anything of note at tournaments.

I doubt Complexity will exist at the end of the year


what?

do you actually know what col is? :O
A man tells his stories so many times that he becomes the stories. They live on after him, and in that way he becomes immortal.
Ritchie
Profile Joined July 2012
Canada206 Posts
September 06 2012 11:27 GMT
#72
Not too surprising. coL seems like a team that needs results. Killer hasn't been posting too many results lately if not straight up terrible record.
After all, we just want to be happy, don't we?
bouboule
Profile Joined March 2012
American Samoa62 Posts
September 06 2012 12:45 GMT
#73
coL Stephano
Stephano
mongmong
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)1389 Posts
September 06 2012 13:12 GMT
#74
No reason because they part ways ?

Guess complexity just kicks the players who don't bring results. And lol.


And btw ... mongmong:

On July 23rd Killer participated in the 2012 South Korea WCS Preliminaries and lost to Leenock at the finals, taking second place

That IS a result right there ...
Last edit: 2012-09-06 19:35:20



result? winning in prelim is considered results??

Ask pro teams if thats even considered as "results"

so, winning in semi final of prelim means NOTHING.

if what youre saying is right, all the pro teams should recruit players who get knocked out of prelim finals of GSL.

어헣 ↗ 어헣 ↗
SharkStarcraft
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria2226 Posts
September 06 2012 13:17 GMT
#75
Best of luck to killer, i hope he rejoins a korean team and starts kicking ass in code s!
Cogito, ergo Toss
pookums
Profile Joined December 2010
151 Posts
September 06 2012 13:20 GMT
#76
On September 06 2012 19:33 NexCa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 15:07 mongmong wrote:
He didnt produce ANY results.

It was painful to watch his games.

He just couldn't keep up with other players.



No reason because they part ways ?

Guess complexity just kicks the players who don't bring results. And lol.


And btw ... mongmong:

On July 23rd Killer participated in the 2012 South Korea WCS Preliminaries and lost to Leenock at the finals, taking second place

That IS a result right there ...


Almost advancing out of the qualifiers for a national WCS tournament is not a result. He has steadily slid from GSL since joining coL and eventually got completely knocked out. The best Killer did was performing well in the playoffs of the EG Master's Cup, aka the completely online tournament which is the 3rd most prestigious team league in North America. This was after he did abysmally for coL in the group stage.

Teams sign players so that they can get the word out for their sponsors. This is either through exposure as a personality or exposure as a good player and once in a blue moon the player can be both. For foreign teams, Koreans are usually picked up for their ability to win games (as far as I can think the only Korean to be picked up with a larger emphasis being placed on their personality over their skill at the time was Nada by coL). With the exception of the aforementioned EGMC, Killer did not perform for coL. And he certainly wasn't marketing himself as a personality (admittedly hard to do with the language barrier).

Barring some incredible upswing in his results, the best Killer can hope for as far as teams are concerned is to get signed onto a Korean team for no salary. He's either going to retire within the next month or two or he'll stick around to see if he can do well in HotS.
TRaFFiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1448 Posts
September 06 2012 14:21 GMT
#77
On September 06 2012 22:20 pookums wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 19:33 NexCa wrote:
On September 06 2012 15:07 mongmong wrote:
He didnt produce ANY results.

It was painful to watch his games.

He just couldn't keep up with other players.



No reason because they part ways ?

Guess complexity just kicks the players who don't bring results. And lol.


And btw ... mongmong:

On July 23rd Killer participated in the 2012 South Korea WCS Preliminaries and lost to Leenock at the finals, taking second place

That IS a result right there ...


Almost advancing out of the qualifiers for a national WCS tournament is not a result. He has steadily slid from GSL since joining coL and eventually got completely knocked out. The best Killer did was performing well in the playoffs of the EG Master's Cup, aka the completely online tournament which is the 3rd most prestigious team league in North America. This was after he did abysmally for coL in the group stage.

Teams sign players so that they can get the word out for their sponsors. This is either through exposure as a personality or exposure as a good player and once in a blue moon the player can be both. For foreign teams, Koreans are usually picked up for their ability to win games (as far as I can think the only Korean to be picked up with a larger emphasis being placed on their personality over their skill at the time was Nada by coL). With the exception of the aforementioned EGMC, Killer did not perform for coL. And he certainly wasn't marketing himself as a personality (admittedly hard to do with the language barrier).

Barring some incredible upswing in his results, the best Killer can hope for as far as teams are concerned is to get signed onto a Korean team for no salary. He's either going to retire within the next month or two or he'll stick around to see if he can do well in HotS.

You seem pretty damn sure without any sources.
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HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
September 06 2012 14:41 GMT
#78
I feel like CoL is gonna be picking up some SC 2 players pretty soon.
Dranion
Profile Joined August 2011
United States7 Posts
September 06 2012 14:55 GMT
#79
Sad to see my favorite Protoss players leave a team that feels like home... I hope he doesn't retire. If and when he does his personality will be missed by many.
pullarius1
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States522 Posts
September 06 2012 17:48 GMT
#80
You might say that Killer is... at large.
@pullarius1
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