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tranmillitary
Profile Joined August 2011
210 Posts
August 30 2012 08:07 GMT
#1841
Has anyone thought of this, Why the hell did she send him nude photos' to begin with??

If you send nudes of yourself to a stranger, what do u expect??
Ozcollo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States154 Posts
August 30 2012 08:09 GMT
#1842
On August 30 2012 16:58 iky43210 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 16:20 Ozcollo wrote:
On August 30 2012 16:10 TheExile19 wrote:
On August 30 2012 15:58 ampson wrote:
I really hope that the people in r/SRS and the bluetea apologists/misogyny accusers in this thread don't represent feminists as a whole.... It's a noble cause to promote gender equality (though not entirely necessary in some developed countries), but those assholes decided that they would destroy an entire team's sponsors based on the acts of one member that they don't agree with. They didn't even have insight to the scene and didn't know what the consequences would be for multiple people. I just hope that feminists as a whole aren't as short-sighted and callous as the idiots on reddit.

Consider if the positions were reversed. Bluetea posts a pic of destiny to 2 friends on skype, says he has a nice attractive penis but a hideous face. Destiny hacks her skype, gets pissed about his looks being insulted in a private conversation, and posts a naked picture of her to 40k plus people. Bluetea then gets kicked out of her college for the controversy, but doesn't leak the pictures of destiny.

Now with the bullshit misogyny angle gone in that hypothetical situation, who gets supported there? One person is so clearly in the wrong that it's ridiculous. In the real world, it's the exact same situation, just with the genders reversed. Honestly, at this point I think the only ones still damning Destiny are die-hard haters who want destiny eliminated from the scene no matter what, die-hard feminists who will never admit a woman is in the wrong, and die-hard white knights who believe that if they defend enough women on the internet one will magically love them.


so you replace minor, debatable misogyny with minor, debatable misandry and much less likely consequences? comparing root dropping destiny to a college expelling bluetea is just the worst analogy imaginable and becomes a complete non-sequitur.

there are very, very few people coming out and supporting bluetea's decision to punish destiny in a logical manner but rather in an emotional, empathetic manner - we can understand her immediate impulse for revenge, because people sharing your ultra-personal information like that is the sort of thing that clouds your judgment. what excuse did destiny have for fucking any of what he did besides casual, practiced callousness and what honestly comes off to me as a similarly casual disregard for the feelings of a woman when the bros need their potential fap material, bro?


He should have used her job in the analogy instead of her college. Other than that it's an apt analogy. He still made a great point that you didn't address. Would you be defending Steven's actions if he was the one that took revenge? I'm willing to bet most would be much less empathetic.

His conversation was crude but it was also supposed to be private. It's also one that most men I know have quite often.

depending on the states, what you and your friends are doing is illegal (photo part) and extremely insensitive to the person involved.

But I don't expect you to understand that


Mind finding the law where sharing a photo in private with friends is illegal? I understand you see it as insensitive, I just don't care what you think.

Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 16:20 Ozcollo wrote:
On August 30 2012 16:10 TheExile19 wrote:
On August 30 2012 15:58 ampson wrote:
I really hope that the people in r/SRS and the bluetea apologists/misogyny accusers in this thread don't represent feminists as a whole.... It's a noble cause to promote gender equality (though not entirely necessary in some developed countries), but those assholes decided that they would destroy an entire team's sponsors based on the acts of one member that they don't agree with. They didn't even have insight to the scene and didn't know what the consequences would be for multiple people. I just hope that feminists as a whole aren't as short-sighted and callous as the idiots on reddit.

Consider if the positions were reversed. Bluetea posts a pic of destiny to 2 friends on skype, says he has a nice attractive penis but a hideous face. Destiny hacks her skype, gets pissed about his looks being insulted in a private conversation, and posts a naked picture of her to 40k plus people. Bluetea then gets kicked out of her college for the controversy, but doesn't leak the pictures of destiny.

Now with the bullshit misogyny angle gone in that hypothetical situation, who gets supported there? One person is so clearly in the wrong that it's ridiculous. In the real world, it's the exact same situation, just with the genders reversed. Honestly, at this point I think the only ones still damning Destiny are die-hard haters who want destiny eliminated from the scene no matter what, die-hard feminists who will never admit a woman is in the wrong, and die-hard white knights who believe that if they defend enough women on the internet one will magically love them.


so you replace minor, debatable misogyny with minor, debatable misandry and much less likely consequences? comparing root dropping destiny to a college expelling bluetea is just the worst analogy imaginable and becomes a complete non-sequitur.

there are very, very few people coming out and supporting bluetea's decision to punish destiny in a logical manner but rather in an emotional, empathetic manner - we can understand her immediate impulse for revenge, because people sharing your ultra-personal information like that is the sort of thing that clouds your judgment. what excuse did destiny have for fucking any of what he did besides casual, practiced callousness and what honestly comes off to me as a similarly casual disregard for the feelings of a woman when the bros need their potential fap material, bro?


He should have used her job in the analogy instead of her college. Other than that it's an apt analogy. He still made a great point that you didn't address. Would you be defending Steven's actions if he was the one that took revenge? I'm willing to bet most would be much less empathetic.

His conversation was crude but it was also supposed to be private. It's also one that most men I know have quite often.

depending on the states, what you and your friends are doing is illegal (photo part) and extremely insensitive to the person involved.

But I don't expect you to understand that


Mind finding the law where sharing a photo in private with friends is illegal? I understand you see it as insensitive, I just don't care what you think.


Not a lawyer, but in Michigan it is against the law to post picture with intent to harass or threaten other person. If any of your close buds ever leaked, you know where the blame will be heading.

It can also be considered Invasion of privacy, though much harder to prove.

So you do understand that it is insensitive, but you don't care for it? Or do you mean that you don't think it is insensitive?

There's a perfect word that describes people like you.


I'm not posting them anywhere. There's also no intent to harass/threaten when you share a photo privately. I understand that you think it's insensitive, I just don't care. It's something I do between friends, like many other people, including women.

Please share the perfect word for people like me!
FoxerGames
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia120 Posts
August 30 2012 08:09 GMT
#1843
On August 30 2012 16:43 Duval wrote:
am I the only one who feels like letting the sponsors know how dissappointed I am about destiny being released because he's ..... a guy?


In the co-corporate business world professionalism is a standard that they must set. Surely we know every guy can start to think with his penis when they are kinky or whatever but it sets a bad reputation to a company. Because at the end of the day both companies are there to make money and things like this "can" have an impact (not saying it will, but who really wants to risk keeping someone that behaves like that?) and if they do and the company says things like "We have his back because after all he is a man", imagine the criticism he will get. Even somehow people think he distributed 15 year old pics around and even if Destiny didn't its already bad, because there are people who don't care about the truth, they will read the first line and "BOOM" drama will stir up and spread like wild fire and people will think this company that supports this team supports pedophiles.. the damage would of been too great to comprehend.. not even a statement will fix it quick..

I didn't want to work so I didn't.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
August 30 2012 08:10 GMT
#1844
I was just making a South Park joke... I didn't really think she took his job, but in terms of revenue and such, he would have a pretty good case against her.

However, I would argue this HELPS his revenue. Look at Howard Stern? Someone of Destiny's ability... good, though it is... is only good. He's not top 1%. Hell, he's not even Puma-level. Flash? fuhgetaboutit!

What I'm saying is that publicity stunts like this only end up hurting Root, and the credibility of Destiny... though not intact... only adds to his revenue in the end. People love this shit.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
fabulously
Profile Joined November 2010
Norway724 Posts
August 30 2012 08:11 GMT
#1845
Goodbye Destiny. Really sad to watch the power of hate wash its way through the scene.

The most utter respect for CatZ and ROOT-management for making this decision. There is no doubt in my mind it was a heartbreaking one to make. Reading CatZ replies on the forum at ROOTgaming makes it easy to understand. Putting the teams future above his personal feelings and relationship with Destiny shows great professionalism.

Unfortunately haters are loud and very vocal compared to all of us silent supporters. Maybe it is time for us to speak up too. I know it is a long shot, but hopefully it can be a start. From today on I promise myself and my fellow ROOT-fans to more actively show my love and support and I hope more of you will do the same.
Welcome back ROOT-gaming - you were never forgotten <3
papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
August 30 2012 08:12 GMT
#1846
On August 30 2012 17:07 tranmillitary wrote:
Has anyone thought of this, Why the hell did she send him nude photos' to begin with??

If you send nudes of yourself to a stranger, what do u expect??


The expactations doesn't justify acting the way Destiny did. That way of reasoning doesn't work in the adult world.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
August 30 2012 08:12 GMT
#1847
On August 30 2012 17:07 tranmillitary wrote:
Has anyone thought of this, Why the hell did she send him nude photos' to begin with??

If you send nudes of yourself to a stranger, what do u expect??

man, i've taken it a step further towards "well, he's not that good, so what if this wall all staged as a publicity stunt"
but, considering sponsorships, no.

Destiny is the only person who has anything to gain from this. It is when you are down and out, and need to have a public apology, that people will be eating out of the palm of your hand

#America
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-30 08:14:29
August 30 2012 08:13 GMT
#1848
On August 30 2012 17:07 tranmillitary wrote:
Has anyone thought of this, Why the hell did she send him nude photos' to begin with??

If you send nudes of yourself to a stranger, what do u expect??


Well, it's dumb.

It's also dumb to share and talk about nekkid pictures with 'your co-workers'. If people find out you will get fired, make your employer look extremely unprofessional or at the very least, creep out all the girls in your office.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
August 30 2012 08:14 GMT
#1849
or they may sleep with you

however, IT'S WRONG.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
August 30 2012 08:15 GMT
#1850
On August 30 2012 16:19 luke3920 wrote:
All I can see is that Destiny did something stupid, and it came back to bite him on the ass. The world is a tough place eh?

This.
It`s not only about people messaging sponsors.
If Destiny wouldnt constantly get involved in some shit, there wouldnt be all these problems.
Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
August 30 2012 08:16 GMT
#1851
On August 30 2012 17:13 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 17:07 tranmillitary wrote:
Has anyone thought of this, Why the hell did she send him nude photos' to begin with??

If you send nudes of yourself to a stranger, what do u expect??


Well, it's dumb.

It's also dumb to share and talk about nekkid pictures with 'your co-workers'. If people find out you will get fired, make your organization overall look bad or at the very least, creep out all the girls in your office.

I've shown a colleague 2girls1cup at the office before, recorded him vomiting everywhere, and then showed my boss and pretty much everyone else in the office (women included). They all nearly died laughing, I was never fired, and the women still loved me.
Yamoth
Profile Joined February 2009
United States315 Posts
August 30 2012 08:20 GMT
#1852
I am getting a little lost here...

Why is it that everyone get so hung up about the private conversation that Destiny have with his two friend about just how "fuckable" a person is? Honestly, I don't think it was really that bad and I doubt the girl would care enough about that to do what she did.

What I find absolutely unforgivable is that fact that he would share a very private and exposed picture or her to his friend without the consent. That right there is an absolute and utter betrayal of trust and would make any person feels humiliated. Hell, if he view so little of her that he was willing to pass pictures to his buddies just so they all can have a good laugh at it with total disregard to what that would do to her or how she would feels about it. I don't see how she should feel any obligation to put his person and professional well being into consideration.

But then again, everything is okay at long as it wasn't supposed to be public and she should know about it in the first place right? Hell, I should totally try to remember that the when I try to ask my close friends to give me some picture of his wife to see just how "fuckable" she is. I'm sure everything should totally be okay as long as his wife wasn't supposed to find about about it.
Douillos
Profile Joined May 2010
France3195 Posts
August 30 2012 08:21 GMT
#1853
ACTA might have gotten gunned down here in Europe, but the fuckin Mob is the scariest thing ever.

If your a guy and have never had the same conversation as Destiney with his 2 mates, well then your either gay or Mormon, or just not getting any.

Wtf send nude pictures to any bloke, you ve gotta be a pretty naive person to think that it wouldnt go around at least to his closest friend. Grow the fuck up, thats how men work.

Im the first one to be critical of pro gamers when they flame to much on stream (by too much i mean going to far), but this fuckin situation is really ugly. By that i mean him getting kicked off the team.

Guess you cant be a pro gamer and get laid huh :x 2 many jealous geeks in this community!

That being said, I think the whole thing is hilarious, if it could have just stayed like that and witch hunters didnt take their pitchforks out of their ass it would actually be a pretty funny story.

All the best Destiny, too bad you had to have a normal life besides your gaming life.

Look a giraffe! Look a fist!!
13JackaL
Profile Joined March 2011
United States577 Posts
August 30 2012 08:23 GMT
#1854
On August 30 2012 16:36 Bill Murray wrote:
...she took his JOB.


SHE DERK IS DERB?

wow this makes so much sense suddenly. Its funny how much trouble people get into nowadays though
and my axe
Detwiler
Profile Joined June 2011
United States239 Posts
August 30 2012 08:28 GMT
#1855
On August 30 2012 17:01 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 16:31 Roe wrote:

Yeah, but Destiny lost his job and career. She just lost... what? in two days nobody will remember about her.

I'm not a fan of Destiny and his big mouth but I still can't understand why some people still think the monster is he, while is clearly obvious that it is she.

Next time think twice about sending nude pics of you to a man. Unless you can accept his friends are gonna see you nude also, and analize every and all the details. Like the girls don't do it also.


If you haven't noticed, getting dropped by teams is kind of a pattern for Destiny, and can be directly attributed to his laissez-faire, I-don't-care-what-other-people-say-or-think personality.

Well, sponsors tend to care what people think. And so do girls. And most people that don't sit around playing computer games all day.

Only teenage boys pretend not to care what other people think, but they're are so easily outraged it's pathetically transparent that they do.

When you're younger it's easy to confuse 'being true to yourself' with 'being an inconsiderate jackass'. The sad thing is, Destiny is a little too old for that and should know better by now.

Let's put it this way: someone with a little bit more maturity probably wouldn't talk shit about this girl, share nude pics of her with his buds, and none of this would have happened.

While I don't think he deserves to be kicked off a team, he was basically asking for trouble. Guys like Destiny will always have problems in their careers because of their I-don't-give-a-fuck-attitude, and will always have to make excuses about how unfair the world is and everyone is bullshit.



Lol great post but good luck on here with all that rational thinking. It wont get you far tragically.
walkeraki3
Profile Joined March 2012
Slovenia22 Posts
August 30 2012 08:28 GMT
#1856
lol destiny all-killed a team under the ROOT if someone didnt know that http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IPTL_Season_1_Amateur


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RubiksCube
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Germany259 Posts
August 30 2012 08:29 GMT
#1857
I don't know what the witchhunt is about.

It seems like a pretty normal conversation between friends (albeit akward that he doesn't seem to have close enough friends IRL to discuss this with). Who can truly say he hasn't had a conversation like this (aka 'That girl is interested in having sex with me, would you hit that). I sure as hell know I have had these.

Yes, he PM'ed them nude pics. This was to prove his point about her having a nice body, not to look down on her. Since all he disapproves about her is her face, the normal picture would've been enough for that.

Sure, a convo like that gets leaked, and she has your email pw, you can pretty much expect "revenge" like that, but that's it. It's then roots decision to release him, because of the public image. As would be the decision of any employer. Would necessarily having anything to do with what he did, but simply the fact "he" posted his dick on the internet.

But why anyone around here would now go on and consider himself the moralist to punish him or judge him for that, when 90% of their nerd sexlife consist of watching porn over the internet is beyond me.
rasnj
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1959 Posts
August 30 2012 08:37 GMT
#1858
On August 30 2012 16:32 ceaRshaf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 15:48 maliceee wrote:
awful both ways. But....a personal fight about a guy showing nudes to two friends =/= ruining a professional career and showing nudes to 40,000+ people.


This is what most people forget to take into account when speaking from their high horses. I hope something like this happens to them at work to stop them from judging so hard other people and lives.

How exactly is it relevant though. If you hit a stranger on the street and he then stabs you with a knife, it still wasn't right to hit him in the first place even though his actions were worse. Yes bluetea's actions were arguably worse than Destiny's, but why would you compare Destiny's actions to bluetea's? The relevant point is that Destiny's actions were bad, and were probably worse than what could reasonably be ignored by sponsors and team.

Personally I don't care at all and do not feel he deserves to get kicked for this particular action, but the world isn't fair and clearly this was the only reasonable course of action Root had. If you act like this you must be prepared to take the consequences. It can't have come as a big surprise to him that this behavior is not tolerated by professional organizations, so while it may not be 'fair' he only really have himself to blame and can't really say he never saw it coming.
AceDSS
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada33 Posts
August 30 2012 08:39 GMT
#1859
so how come destiny hasn't followed through with filing a lawsuit and calling the school? he wouldn't be in the wrong and the dumb girls needs it
DiSc0
Yamoth
Profile Joined February 2009
United States315 Posts
August 30 2012 08:41 GMT
#1860
On August 30 2012 17:39 AceDSS wrote:
so how come destiny hasn't followed through with filing a lawsuit and calling the school? he wouldn't be in the wrong and the dumb girls needs it


Do that and he will give god know how many more people pitch fork that would only end up screwing himself all that much more over.
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