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On August 30 2012 06:00 Jek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 05:47 DarkPlague2863 wrote:On August 30 2012 05:44 Bam Lee wrote:
Am i the only one that feels like bluetea overreacted? I mean seriously sharing nude pics among close friends is not cool especially if they make fun of her. But possibly destroying destinys future because of that? I mean its not like her nude pics were shared publicly. It's not just you that "feels" like she overreacted, she overreacted on a level that's barely even concievable by a sane, non-sociopathic person. Someone was talking about her behind her back, so she goes out of her way to destroy that person's livelihood. She's insane. This is pretty much my reaction too. Cannot understand how people can make out Destiny to be the bad guy here. It was her choice to send the pictures to him, and by sending nude pictures you have to accept they might be shown to other people. Her reaction was over the top, and to be frank I hope he press charges if possible; her mentality is just scary.
What? Cannot understand how people can make out Destiny bad guy here?
Are you fucking kidding right now? Let's say you would send a girl your naked pics, and then u'll hear how she, with her 10+ friends laughs about you, and how ugly u are. Of course you would be pleased, wouldn't you?
TL;DR - Destiny made a dick move - and he received consequences.
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On August 30 2012 06:24 GiantRobot wrote:
Holy shit that skype conversation was so painful to read.
Tell me about it. It is so disgusting and degrading. Can't believe some people think it was ok even in private. Think Fayth and TT1 should be disbanded too.
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On August 30 2012 06:25 Hypemeup wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 06:24 Serpico wrote:On August 30 2012 06:22 Andrew2658 wrote:On August 30 2012 06:18 Toppp wrote:On August 30 2012 06:15 ronpaul012 wrote:
Considering he confirmed he had nudes of a 15 year old and considered banging her on that skype convo, then this is pretty deserved. Do you even reading comprehension? He had nudes of a person in college, not of a 15 year old. He does have pics of a 15 year old [1:18:25 PM] Steven Bonnell II: dude she's 15 [1:18:25 PM] Steven Bonnell II: wtf [1:18:28 PM] Steven Bonnell II: but she sent me pictures He has a picture of a person who is 15. Ok. Context is pretty relevant here.
The context doesn't say anything other than that he knows what she looks like and his opinion.
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Why allways to Destiny.
He's such a cool dude but allways gets in these weird situations...
Contacting the sponsors is probably the most pathetic thing anyone who follows Esports can do...
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On August 30 2012 06:11 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 06:09 Piledriver wrote:On August 30 2012 05:35 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 05:31 FairForever wrote:On August 30 2012 05:31 ROOTFayth wrote:
there's a difference between nude pics of ur fiance and nude pics of a random fangirl So it's okay to do one and not the other? You gotta be joking me... both are wrong, there's still a difference just like stealing a candy and killing somebody nomsayin No there isn't. First off, she wasn't a "random fangirl", as it is clearly indicated by the fact that Destiny was willing to share his email info with her and the fact that she was scheduling classes and stuff for him. Second off, Destiny isn't really some kind of a rock star who gets mailed nude pictures by fangirls. The fact that he had her nude pictures would indicate that he shared some kind of a relationship with the girl and she placed a certain amount of faith in him, which he clearly didn't respect. So no. I donowachusayin. You'd be surprised how many pros get sent nude fangirl pics... especially during events. You'd be even more surprised at how many of them are under age.
LOL. You're right. I would be VERY, VERY, VERY surprised.
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i need more drama baby in the future, more drama destiny
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the fact that fanboys are actually arguing that this wasn't the right move is just astounding. Publicized comments openly degrading women, dick pictures in TEAM ATTIRE, but thats not cause for removal? Say what you want about feeling bad for him, but Destiny is barely a professional player as is and enjoys a tremendous amount of success financially for having little to no ambition in sc2. Hes still going to make a living streaming, but next time you think about feeling bad for someone who regularly embarrasses the profession, think of those OGS players who don't have teams right now despite being about 400% better than destiny at sc2. Think of the ST players who are barely making it, think of players like Sasquatch who work their asses off to get some success in tournaments, only to probably not even be close to the money destiny makes for being a drama magnet dirty entertainer disguised as a Professional Esports player. Hes been given chances to change and improve himself, and after this clearly no longer deserves the priveledge of a sponsored team or really even to be a professional gamer. Harsh but reality.
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So many hypocrites bolstering the same skeletons in their closet being armchair heros saying how crazy this whole thing is, any guy who went to highschool or university have heard/been involved with these kind of conversations.
Grow the fuck up and move on.
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Dang.. it just doesn't seem like Root without Destiny, although I love the personalities of everyone in the team. I respect that they definitely made a difficult decision that was intelligent for their future sponsors though.
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I feel really awkward with this situation.
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On August 30 2012 06:25 Zythus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 06:00 Jek wrote:On August 30 2012 05:47 DarkPlague2863 wrote:On August 30 2012 05:44 Bam Lee wrote:
Am i the only one that feels like bluetea overreacted? I mean seriously sharing nude pics among close friends is not cool especially if they make fun of her. But possibly destroying destinys future because of that? I mean its not like her nude pics were shared publicly. It's not just you that "feels" like she overreacted, she overreacted on a level that's barely even concievable by a sane, non-sociopathic person. Someone was talking about her behind her back, so she goes out of her way to destroy that person's livelihood. She's insane. This is pretty much my reaction too. Cannot understand how people can make out Destiny to be the bad guy here. It was her choice to send the pictures to him, and by sending nude pictures you have to accept they might be shown to other people. Her reaction was over the top, and to be frank I hope he press charges if possible; her mentality is just scary. What? Cannot understand how people can make out Destiny bad guy here? Are you fucking kidding right now? Let's say you would send a girl your naked pics, and then u'll hear how she, with her 10+ friends laughs about you, and how ugly u are. Of course you would be pleased, wouldn't you? TL;DR - Destiny made a dick move - and he received consequences.
Completely incorrect and off base. He made rude comments in a private discussion, she went apeshit and made it public. Completely different.
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On August 30 2012 06:26 Revenger wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 06:24 GiantRobot wrote:
Holy shit that skype conversation was so painful to read. Tell me about it. It is so disgusting and degrading. Can't believe some people tink it was ok even in private.
Some people?
Try most people. Most people talk like this in private, dude. Get over yourself.
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On August 30 2012 06:25 Zythus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 06:00 Jek wrote:On August 30 2012 05:47 DarkPlague2863 wrote:On August 30 2012 05:44 Bam Lee wrote:
Am i the only one that feels like bluetea overreacted? I mean seriously sharing nude pics among close friends is not cool especially if they make fun of her. But possibly destroying destinys future because of that? I mean its not like her nude pics were shared publicly. It's not just you that "feels" like she overreacted, she overreacted on a level that's barely even concievable by a sane, non-sociopathic person. Someone was talking about her behind her back, so she goes out of her way to destroy that person's livelihood. She's insane. This is pretty much my reaction too. Cannot understand how people can make out Destiny to be the bad guy here. It was her choice to send the pictures to him, and by sending nude pictures you have to accept they might be shown to other people. Her reaction was over the top, and to be frank I hope he press charges if possible; her mentality is just scary. What? Cannot understand how people can make out Destiny bad guy here? Are you fucking kidding right now? Let's say you would send a girl your naked pics, and then u'll hear how she, with her 10+ friends laughs about you, and how ugly u are. Of course you would be pleased, wouldn't you? TL;DR - Destiny made a dick move - and he received consequences.
2 friends. No need for exaggeration.
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On August 30 2012 06:26 Revenger wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 06:24 GiantRobot wrote:
Holy shit that skype conversation was so painful to read. Tell me about it. It is so disgusting and degrading. Can't believe some people tink it was ok even in private.
and by people you mean the entire comment section over in reddit.
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Basically, this chick over-reacted hugely. If you find out a guy is bitching about you to 2 friends, and showed them a naked photo or whatever, it isn't acceptable to hack the guy's social media, block him out and post dick pictures to like 40k people then and there, plus 100k+ who are going to see them. This is a dude who relies on his social media for his income. She has jeopardised his entire career and livelihood because of a personal vendetta. It's like the head of a huge multinational business cheating on a lass, so she locks him in a cupboard, then goes around to the desk of every single employee and customer of that business, all around the world, and sticks naked photo's of him over their monitors. Just because our community and businesses are internet based, it doesn't mean that is in any way an okay thing to do. Holy sh*t you don't even see chicks do that on like Desperate Housewives, and this is REAL LIFE, not a soap opera as a bunch of people seem to want it to be. I'm not saying what Destiny did was right or pleasant or whatever, but get a grip and keep personal arguments and issues separate to what happens professionally.
Same goes to these idiots who email sponsors the minute anyone puts one foot across this pious, personal moral line that they lay out across the whole pro scene. Complain to the team if you have a desperate desire to moan, but don't jump at the sponsors, you're jeopardising the legitimacy of scene, and you've been told enough times now. Either that or take your asses off to another scene where people might welcome power-crazed idiots with an overbearing sense of self-rightousness. You don't have the right to ruin someone's career, and mess up all of Esports because of your own personal views and values. Just play the game, watch the game, have fun, and stop sh*tting your pants whenever a guy in the community does something you don't like.
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On August 30 2012 06:21 ilikeredheads wrote:
Have we gone back to the 1500s???? The witchhunt is fucking retarded. Emailing sponsors helps NO ONE.
I've seen this several places now in this thread. And I still don't understand it.
E-mailing sponsors absolutely does helps e-sports. How? Because it helps remove disruptive elements. It helps show that the e-sports community polices its own. It helps show that the e-sports community does not tolerate this crap.
If you believe Destiny's behavior is inappropriate, then e-mailing his sponsors is the right move. Why? Because it helps ensure that the problem will be dealt with. Sponsors are neutral parties; they only want money, not drama. Sponsors are the ones who have more power and don't care about the individuals involved.
Of managers and sponsors, managers are more likely to gloss over the problem person. They're less likely to take sharp, corrective action. Or, to put it another way, if they'd e-mailed the managers, do you think Destiny would be getting thrown out of ROOT?
Probably not. And if you think his behavior was inappropriate and that he deserved his ousting, then contacting the sponsors was absolutely the right call. It brought the pressure necessary to ensure that the problem was dealt with. And it helps ensure that Destiny is less likely to be picked up by another team.
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It's all a bit depressing but I can respect the need for Root to maintain a certain level of professionalism. That's the way the game has to go once real money is involved, as has been already much discussed in various sc2 forums. It is a bit sad, whatever the circumstances, when this kind of thing happens; and obviously I think we need to be really really wary of the whole "get's get dirt on X" approach some people get. Pro players have to maintain a certain professionalism like any other professional sportspeople, yes; but they are not running for President and it's not legitimate to pull up things from their past, for example, or from what is clearly their private life and has no baring on their pro performance or persona. This way madness lies.
Their are plenty of professional footballers who may have opinions and attitudes I wildly disagree with, and I wouldn't want them as a friend in private life. But the conventions say when they are performing in public, they act differently. That isn't lying to me or the player not "being true to myself", it's the player understanding that they are doing a job now and they are not my social friend. Esports is transitioning from being a bedroom teenager video game to a pro sport and sometimes that culture shift is a little painful. But it's necessary.
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hahahahaah I dont follow sc2 too much anymore ( only when interesting korean players and Mc play) but Ill certainly always comeback for the drama.
How dumb can you be to share email fb and twitter stuff with someone whos nude pics you're gonna send to your buddies hahaha so dumb.
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i dont really think it will affect destiny ROOT is trying to hard imo, they stack their line up with people with lack luster results and say they are building for the future? to me its just a stream clan nothing that will affect top tier sc2 clan leagues
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On August 30 2012 04:52 MVega wrote:It's hard to feel sorry for either one of them. That's what happens when you share naked pictures of yourself on the internet. No surprise there. Her payback was fair, and they should be even. If he emails her boss/dean/etc that's definitely a dick move though, no pun intended. I like Destiny, but it's really time to drop it. Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 04:41 CajunMan wrote:On August 30 2012 04:39 Vari wrote:On August 30 2012 04:38 CajunMan wrote:
I really hate the community sometimes you went to ROOT gaming's sponsors over this when they just reformed. Sometimes I just can't believe people would do this bull I think more people just hate Destiny more than anything and incidents like this might just crush the scene in the future. or maaaaaaaybe people will stop behaving like destiny does? just a thought Behaving how? However he wants in private? That's none of your business. I now see why the Fighting game community wants nothing to do with Esports. That is their loss. I like fighting games, and while I want fighting game players to be as successful as eSports players I really don't want the FGC in my eSports. The FGC is at least as bad as the SC2/LoL communities, and more racist. Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 04:45 Luepert wrote:On August 30 2012 04:42 kollin wrote:
Well I guess it makes sense. All the shit Destiny has done is finally catching up to him. I guarantee dozens of other progamers have done the same thing, but no bat shit crazy bitches have hacked their facebooks and posted nsfw pics on them. Honestly I think there could be a lawsuit against bluetea for posting nsfw things to a place where minors can go without a popup warning. Wow, that misogyny. So granted she's likely not the most intelligent person in the world as she sends naked pictures of herself to someone like Destiny, but then Destiny shares them with people which is NOT acceptable behavior, it's definitely a breach of trust and most women would be less than thrilled about that. So then she reciprocates and she's a "bat shit crazy bitch" for it? It wasn't the mature reaction to be sure, but if it makes her a "bat shit crazy bitch" what does it make Destiny? Both parties involved definitely did the wrong thing.
When you give someone a picture of youself, you give them the rights to it. Imagine someone you giving a framed picture, you hang it on your wall and 2 friends come over and see it. Once they give it to you, unless they have some contract not to show it, it is your to show.
Giving you password to your facebook does allow them to post on it, but they still have to be within the law. It is illegal in America to expose those under 18 to "pornography," especially if there is no warning that it is explicit. What Destiny did was rude, but private and legal. What bluetea did was public and illegal.
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