Unfortunately I couldn't fine the trailer video for this documentary on Al Jazeera yet(will update when I do find it) but watching Al Jazeera just now, there was a commercial for a documentary that entails North Korea vs. South Korea in terms of cyber warfare and how South Korea could be at disadvantage because(and this is my perception of the trailer, everyone will draw their own conclusions when they see the trailer, once I find it) while the North Koreans are using the pcs for serious matters, South Korea is too busy with a video gaming addiction(like I said previously, this is my opinion of the trailer, not my actual opinion).
They showed BoxeR and some GSL players in the actual booth, and as it ended it had Gumiho in the GSL booth, so it will talk about professional gaming I gather.
Because of the lack of content, I will post a video of a video that is similar in a way, until I can link the trailer.
If anyone happens to find the trailer, do post it, so I can update op. If admins close the thread that's fine too, but like I said the trailer for this documentary looked very interesting. Also it was scheduled for this Friday, August 31, 2012 at 9pm EST and I have no clue if it is for a global audience or not yet, will update when I know.
Disclaimer: The video embedded in my post, is not the Al Jazeera trailer. I posted it in case others have not seen it, and I gather much of what was said in that video will be said in the Al Jazeera documentary. Nothing displayed in the video or even in op is what I feel about the matter, it is just my perception of the trailer and what I feel the documentary will entail based on it. Once a trailer is up, or even the entire video, it will be posted here for everyone to gather their own opinions on it.
On August 27 2012 23:00 Gl!tch wrote: Interesting. The starcraft community has been receiving a lot of press lately, but i'm not sure if all press is good press.
You are right, and like mentioned in op, in my opinion this piece will do nothing but knock on gaming addictions. I really hope it isn't the case, I am trying my hardest to find the trailer atm and no luck yet. I have watched a few of the 101 east documentaries already though http://www.youtube.com/user/AlJazeeraEnglish/videos?query=101 east and the documentaries I have watched were actually pretty darn good, so I hope it's the same with this next one.
On August 27 2012 23:00 Gl!tch wrote: Interesting. The starcraft community has been receiving a lot of press lately, but i'm not sure if all press is good press.
They see something they don't understand and then comment on it.
Bringing North Korea into the topic pretty much invalidates everything. Its just a video on game addiction. So while it has valid points. Talking about cyber warfare is laughable.
Everyone knows North Korea's only goal in war is to rush across the DMZ and take Seoul (50 miles away) in a swift decisive action.
I really don't like this documentary because it show only the extreme part of a big one . From my point of view gaming addiction can be a big problem in korea cause of his culture. When i see korean peaple seems have really weak mind.
And the cyber attack excuse is just so laughtable... It's normal peaple computer and not hacker ones.
Its pretty stupid to assume that because kids are playing video games in South Korea that North Korea has any kind of advantage. Most North Koreans don't have electricity or any real computer availability, how can a population wholly disconnected have any real chance? Now obviously North Korea is going to have a group of "elite" people who's sole job in life is to be good computer hackers, but like in any collegiate sport, the bigger pool you have to draw from the better your team is going to be, and South Korea has a much better system to identify and develop talent. I don't see South Korea coming out on the losing side. I'm fairly certain this kind of war will be fought with small numbers and will be more clever and brutish.
I bet american people had much more fun than russians in the '70. Guess who rules the world now?
These people just are not smart enough to see the connection between the masses having fun resulting of being a country that got a strong modern economy, and implying that their military power is probably top edge because of their greater technology and stuff.
Its like saying: "see, in the middle age Knight were trained at 8 year old, life was hard, blah blah, and now kids are just brainless retards even in high school and don't even know how to ride a horse". Ok then, try to assault a modern country with a middle age army and let's see who gets the upper hand !
I bet that in 20 years either north korea plays esports like everyone else, either it does not exist any more as a country.
On August 27 2012 23:20 Medrea wrote: They already do!
Bringing North Korea into the topic pretty much invalidates everything. Its just a video on game addiction. So while it has valid points. Talking about cyber warfare is laughable.
Everyone knows North Korea's only goal in war is to rush across the DMZ and take Seoul (50 miles away) in a swift decisive action.
Cyber warfare was brought up in the trailer for the documentary. It mentions cyber warfare by North Korea, I am not making anything up lol.
This is just a troll thread. People are starving in N.Korea, yet you think their people are more inclined to cyberwarfare and IT stuff ? Funny thread :D
I know but, simply put. Cyber and North Korea do not go hand in hand, at all.
Also video says something along the lines of "they confuse reality with the game."
Yeah I'm sure our 2012 graphics are that convincing. What with the screen projecting a 2d image and all. In the next 60 years when we all have holodecks or goggles or small 3D enclosures (where my money is on) that actually work, then we can have this discussion that gaming is too real.
Gaming addiction isn't real. People are addicted to good times.
On August 27 2012 23:17 Medrea wrote: South Korea at a disadvantage in CYBER warfare?
North Korea has 1950's technology.
Welcome to North Korean Missile command.
Everyone else's looks like Congress is in session.
Also some of the world's greatest minds are South Korean in terms of security testing.
I dig the lighting.
Ya I lol'd at that... but it was mentioned in the trailer. I hate to paint an image of Al Jazeera as a biased news outlet with lack of factual pieces, because in my opinion they are not. Al Jazeera and Russia Today are one of the few real news outlets left in the world today.
On August 27 2012 23:41 Mondieu wrote: This is just a troll thread. People are starving in N.Korea, yet you think their people are more inclined to cyberwarfare and IT stuff ? Funny thread :D
For the love of God... did you even read anything I posted in op? Don't post such stupid comments.
Well I guess we're not commenting on the video you wanted, but the similar one that you posted, so I'll comment on that.
I think it makes some valid points about video gaming addiction in South Korea, some of the stories truly are shocking and disturbing and I'm glad that doctors there have recognized the growing problem. At first it seemed like the North's cyber-attack capabilities was kind of random and unrelated to the popularity of video games, but at the very end they tacked on an explanation linking the two together: They say that the benefits South Korea gains from being one of the most wired countries in the world also makes it vulnerable to cyber-attack.
I'm not really sure how popularity of video games make South Korea vulnerable in more meaningful ways (i.e. besides shutting down gaming servers, as in actually targeting banking institutions). It would have been nice if they expanded on the connection but I guess the assumption would be that because of their investment in electronic infrastructure South Korea has a tendency to use that same infrastructure for other more important needs.
Also to people who are ridiculing North Korea as having technology from the cold war, I mean just watch the video and see some of the things that North Korea has already managed to do, from infiltrating and shutting down major banks to nearly releasing a computer virus in an airport terminal that could have resulted in plane crashes. If you watch the video, former cyber-warfare intelligence operatives and university professors who defected to South Korea talk about what the North's interests are and some of their capabilities (in addition to high-tech assassination attempts).
On August 27 2012 23:43 Medrea wrote: I know but, simply put. Cyber and North Korea do not go hand in hand, at all.
Also video says something along the lines of "they confuse reality with the game."
Yeah I'm sure our 2012 graphics are that convincing. What with the screen projecting a 2d image and all. In the next 60 years when we all have holodecks or goggles or small 3D enclosures (where my money is on) that actually work, then we can have this discussion that gaming is too real.
Gaming addiction isn't real. People are addicted to good times.
Should we really take your word over the doctor's though? I mean what evidence do you really have suggesting that gaming addiction isn't real, but apparently the medical community in South Korea takes it seriously? I mean tell that to the numerous cases cited in that documentary about people who have played for 4 or 5 days straight and needed to be hospitalized. Or the example of the electrical engineer who openly admits that he his probably addicted and has been sitting in a PC bang for three days. Or the example of a mother who gave birth in a PC bang, then went back to gaming while the baby died. You can't brush this aside and pretend that its some sort of conspiracy on the part of the medical community to tarnish the image of video games. I also don't think you can brush this aside by labelling them as "stupid" as others have done.
This is a serious issue...people have *died* in PC bangs. Maybe we should start taking this more seriously and do some research instead of assuming that video games are harmless and that any negativity just comes from close-minded old people who hate video games. Because its that kind of attitude of denialism that's just going to make "e-sports" and this community seem really immoral to the general public.
On August 27 2012 23:47 radscorpion9 wrote: Also to people who are ridiculing North Korea as having technology from the cold war, I mean just watch the video and see some of the things that North Korea has already managed to do, from infiltrating and shutting down major banks to nearly releasing a computer virus in an airport terminal that could have resulted in plane crashes. If you watch the video, former cyber-warfare intelligence operatives and university professors who defected to South Korea talk about what the North's interests are and some of their capabilities (in addition to high-tech assassination attempts).
Couldn't have said it better myself, anyone that has followed the news in the past few years would understand that. Mendrea, you believe because a Country does not provide basic essentials such as electricity makes a country not up to par technologically, which makes me laugh.
The keyword was warfare if I recall. Not hitting up banks and airports. And its not fair if we don't measure South Korea's cyber warfare capabilities as well. Hacking is easier than defending against hacks anyway.
Also saying South korea is at a disadvantage because they are too busy playing video games.
What the fuck logic is that? South Korea has a big smoking problem. Im waiting for the Al Jazeera article saying that South Korea is at a disadvantage because if North Korea attacks everyone in South Korea will be on smoke break.
On August 28 2012 00:12 AKomrade wrote: Drill and train sports practice six hours a day for five days to prepare for competition, obviously professional player.
Drill and train video game eight hours a day for seven days to prepare for competition, obviously addicted.
no such thing as cyberwarfare in sports though!! xDDD
On August 27 2012 23:59 Medrea wrote: Medrea, c'mon its 6 letters >.>
The keyword was warfare if I recall. Not hitting up banks and airports. And its not fair if we don't measure South Korea's cyber warfare capabilities as well. Hacking is easier than defending against hacks anyway.
Also saying South korea is at a disadvantage because they are too busy playing video games.
What the fuck logic is that? South Korea has a big smoking problem. Im waiting for the Al Jazeera article saying that South Korea is at a disadvantage because if North Korea attacks everyone in South Korea will be on smoke break.
Man that last bit gave me a good laugh. Thanks for that!
I'm sorry. I had to laugh when you said that Al Jezeera and Russia Today were among the only "real news outlets" in the world today. Can't really take you seriously after that..
As a software engineer I find this to be laughable considering S.Korea is one of the most connected countries in the world. In comparison I would believe N.Korea does not even let their citizens have internet. Cyber warfare is not about the numbers but the talent pool you have.
Not to be biased or racist, but I also find it laughable that Al Jazeera is making unprofessional comments about cyber warfare when their own countries in the middle-east such as Iran were planning on running Nuclear energy off Windows. In which case failed miserably when "anonymous country" decided to hack them.
There is no way, NO way South Korea coulf ever be at a disadvantage. Barely anyone in N korea actually has computers, never mind the skill to hack and stuff ^^
On September 08 2012 15:28 Gben592 wrote: There is no way, NO way South Korea coulf ever be at a disadvantage. Barely anyone in N korea actually has computers, never mind the skill to hack and stuff ^^
You do know the very political top have computers + internet and they do have people being trained in cyberwarfare to attack south korea. there's always something beneath the surface
LOL what a ridiculous claim Al Jazeera is trying to make. Have they read the reports of North Korea's technology? Their residents hardly have any computer use at all, and those who do, use antiquated PCs on an old tech isolated internet (or no internet at all), and the government agents get their cyber training from other countries (and even then it seems to be crap).
Sure South Korea plays games, but there's also South Korean online security firms, programmers, analysts, hackers, and all sorts of things. In North Korea there's none of that except for small, poorly-funded government IT guys and cyber-agents. Games are a big business nowadays, and security is important. Proper hack-resistant coding mechanisms, network security procedures, encryption and authentication systems, and other things are certainly applicable to game technology and business technology, to which South Korea has a ton of both. The combination of South Korea's economy and tech environment/access alone is so much greater than North Korea's, and makes it far more powerful in an online environment.
North Korea's biggest advantage defensively is also it's biggest disadvantage offensively — it's isolation. If North Korea was to get any sort of virus spread, they couldn't use it to steal anything (at least not easily), they could only only destroy stuff. While that doesn't mean it couldn't cause damage, it does mean it's less beneficial for them (it would just get the world angrier at them if detected without any direct benefit to them).
North Korea being a cyber threat is a ridiculous joke — that story/documentary sounds more stupid than a Fox news report.
Ten minutes into the video in the OP, this one is much less biased than that one that piece that CNN did though they are focusing on addiction, which I suppose is probably fair.
Already in the first minute and there are huge factual errors.
Calling GOM one of the nation's top rating TV shows? Saying Koreans care less about the Olympics than e-sports? I'll watch the rest (or as much as I can stomache) but like most pieces done of video games and e-sports by mainstream media this looks like hardly any effort was put in.
Of course I'm sure the nation that can't even correcly launch an ICBM could successfully wage cyberwarfare against one of the most technologically advanced nations.
i just dont see how esports has anything to do with cyberwar....this video was just trying to hype imho
and to be completely honest, north korea is like 20 years in the past regarding technology and knowledge....
and this gameing addiction part was a bullshit as well....there are tons of people overdoin some kind of sport or somthing and i bet i could find partents who let their children die while they where doin something else in every activity out there.....be it sports or going to the casino, or even chatting in chatrooms or using facebook....that are just retarded people...and if they wouldn t be addicted to gaming they would probably be addicted to something else like drugs alcohol gambling or whatever that are just individual cases that doesn t matter at all.
overall a really really bad and pointless docu....
On August 27 2012 23:20 Medrea wrote: They already do!
Bringing North Korea into the topic pretty much invalidates everything. Its just a video on game addiction. So while it has valid points. Talking about cyber warfare is laughable.
Everyone knows North Korea's only goal in war is to rush across the DMZ and take Seoul (50 miles away) in a swift decisive action.
North Korea lacks any plan to WIN a war in any way against South Korea any more... all they can really do is pray that their artillery threatening to raze Seoul to the ground is enough to perpetuate a standoff until the end of time.
On August 27 2012 23:20 Medrea wrote: They already do!
Bringing North Korea into the topic pretty much invalidates everything. Its just a video on game addiction. So while it has valid points. Talking about cyber warfare is laughable.
Everyone knows North Korea's only goal in war is to rush across the DMZ and take Seoul (50 miles away) in a swift decisive action.
Then SK will be fine. They've had years defending outdated 4pools- and now, they've had just the same amount of time defending 6pools. No issue, and we can probably except a really fast GG unless the Chinese interfere- which they won't, I don't recall where, but I remember the Chinese government releasing a statement comparing NK with a rebellious child.
In general pretty much everything al-jazeera says I just kind of toss out the window. They are like reverse fox news, but sometimes fox is credible, whereas I have yet to see any of the Al-Jazeera news headlines not having serious bias or personal views injected into said news. Granted I don't read them much because of aforementioned statement, have to love cognitive dissonance. With that said, this is complete bullshit, I'm sorry. NK can't win, they lost all of their funding when the USSR fell, their last hope was china, but now china is breaking ties with them. The only thing they can do is threaten GNW (global nuclear warfare), if we are talking cyber warfare, its just not happening for NK.
Total nonsense. North Korea's biggest problem is starvation. South Korea's problem is having so many computer-literate people that some of them have actually become addicted to using computers.
The more computer-literate people you have in your society, the safer, and more advanced the industry will be. To wit, South Korea is one of the world leaders in IT. North Korea is literally several decades behind.
uhhh... hacking and gaming are not alike at all.. beating people on starcraft or LOL is nothing like handling cyberattacks.
a terrible news story. any mention of gaming really should have just been left out of that entire story.
very basic piece that doesnt really go in-depth on anything. people game and some judgemental people think some people game too much. north korea wants to kill defectors, and is training to hack financial and business institutions. koreans gaming is a bad thing. but it could be a good thing to train people to defend against north korean hackers!
Lol. This is like the people who say metal is satanic. The same nutjobs say that satanic stuff is popular, and yet even the most commercialized metal bands are pretty obscure compared to pop / hip-hop. Oh the irony.
Just another documentary slamming video games. Little more than that.
This stupid though, they are acting like it's a drug addiction. It's nothing like that, they're the same as freaking football players. They put in and all of this time to earn wins and to achieve their dreams in life, and all of these writers and news reporters are thinking of it as a computer addiction; thinking of these people like they're just total nerds who do nothing in life. Yes, it's bad to play for such a long time in a row, but even in football you can have injuries; you can even gain many disabilities from it. The world just needs to understand that Starcraft is something that contains a lot of hard work to get good at it and it's a thing that people want to be the best at. It's the same as guitar players, they put all of this time into playing guitar just so they can grow popular and win money from being great! Stop looking at it like a bad thing people T.T
On August 27 2012 23:47 radscorpion9 wrote: Also to people who are ridiculing North Korea as having technology from the cold war, I mean just watch the video and see some of the things that North Korea has already managed to do, from infiltrating and shutting down major banks to nearly releasing a computer virus in an airport terminal that could have resulted in plane crashes. If you watch the video, former cyber-warfare intelligence operatives and university professors who defected to South Korea talk about what the North's interests are and some of their capabilities (in addition to high-tech assassination attempts).
Couldn't have said it better myself, anyone that has followed the news in the past few years would understand that. Mendrea, you believe because a Country does not provide basic essentials such as electricity makes a country not up to par technologically, which makes me laugh.
It is quite a likely assumption. A sheer large amount of people working at something makes it easier for talent to emerge. In terms of analogy- countries that are more technologically advanced are more likely to have nobel physics/engineering/etc. winners. Sure, in north korea they have a few elite scientists working hard, but in other countries, there are thousands and thousands. By pure probability, the countries with more people performing certain roles will have the most people good at those roles.
releasing a computer virus in an airport terminal is laughably easy. in fact, most companies have pretty trashy security. any college grad could program a virus that could mess with an airport. the thing is, no motive/ sure punishment. Our governments do not even guard their own diplomatic cables closely enough to prevent random people from stealing files and posting them on the internet >.>
i had not heard of a virus shutting down major banks though.
but yeah, in terms of cyberwarfare, the only way North Korea can do anything is by randomly blindsiding and dealing massive damage to S. Korea, which i doubt they are capable of. After that you don't even need hackers for the theoretical cyberwar lo, S. Korea could literally just brute force hack N. Korea's servers (send a tremendous amount of trash data)
On August 27 2012 23:00 Gl!tch wrote: Interesting. The starcraft community has been receiving a lot of press lately, but i'm not sure if all press is good press.
They see something they don't understand and then comment on it.
Heared this talk a million times. Picture this - a heavy smoker tells me that I have a serious WoW problem, when I play like 2-3 hours a couple times a week. People get addicted to real sports in a harmful way so there's no problem to be a pro-gamer in e-sports or a fan if it doesn't harm your health.
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